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notasheep: I actually really liked the first two (the first one is one of my favorites). I feel like they are just starting to degenerate into YA boringness.
jmh: I actually went out and bought Earth, Air, Fire and Custard (picked it off the shelf at random) for Yom Tov. Haven’t read it yet, though–too much of a backlog on the old reading list. π
writersoul: They are on the BBC website for free. π And lol The Wee Free Men has some of my favorite quotes too–the ooooooiiiiyyyyynnnggg one, and Miss Tick’s thing about following your star, and the swords that glow blue in the presence of lawyers, and the lawyer toad…good stuff. ^_^
OneOfManyParticipantIf you want to, find a way to pay for it, and find a seminary that will work for you, then I highly recommend it. Oh and you should look into Machon Raaya– that’s where all the Pratchettians go. ^_^
popa: I’ll break that record for you…I’ll get back to you in three years, eh?
OneOfManyParticipantThe author of the Genesis and the Big Bang that I believe yytz is referring to is Gerald L. Schroeder. Very good book for these sorts of questions. (Sorry that this doesn’t directly address the OP.)
OneOfManyParticipantMazel tov, jewishfeminist02 and need seminary help! ^_^
OneOfManyParticipantk then I don’t get it.
I Shall Wear Midnight…first Discworld novel that I thought was kind of meh. Did you finish it yet?
OneOfManyParticipantNo problem. Haven’t had a good long rant about le Art and such for a good while. π
OneOfManyParticipanthmm, do I detect Moffat hate?
OneOfManyParticipant(1) Thanks. π
(2) What? No. Mamish can’t even see how you could interpret what I said as such. This is really what my ideas are founded on, don’t see how I can explain this further.
(3) My point is that in something with artistic value, the content is not as important as the way it is presented/arrived at. The message can (thought not necessarily) detract if presented in a way where the message is weighted more than method.
(4) Right, though about “doing” Art–I was trying more to present an approach to Art in general. And although as a Jew, I obviously use my inherited values as an anchor, I tried to state that bit of manifesto as generally as possible because I think it applies to all people (though the parenthetical is specific to our values, I guess). yep
OneOfManyParticipantAnd also BBC just aired a radio dramatization of Neverwhere. With Christopher Lee and Benedict Cumberbatch. π
OneOfManyParticipantI know a few Medrash wives and they all wear sheitlach. just sayin.
OneOfManyParticipantwhut
OneOfManyParticipantHealth deserves the credit for that one
OneOfManyParticipant^_^
OneOfManyParticipantSo:
So what am I trying to say? The crux of my position (and the position of the literary figures that I attempt to represent) is in this:
To be a good novel, a book must have something more that plot, prose, and people. There needs to be a purpose, an idea that is uniquely developed and expressed by the events and characters or the story.
OneOfManyParticipantIt’s amazing how the Frum community is lagging so far behind the rest of the world.
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The way Mental Illness is portrayed here is you make it sound e/o who is ill is from the extreme ends of psychosis. Nothing could be further from the Truth.
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OneOfManyParticipantThat is a theoretical way to arrive at a circle. It is most definitely not the mathematical definition of a circle.
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to boldOneOfManyParticipantOne of today’s asks from Gaiman’s tumblr:
Q: Something that occurred to me while watching Hitchhiker’s Guide today – was “Richardrichardmayhewdick” at all an homage to “Dentarthurdent” (as adressed by Slartibartfast), or just a nice coincidence?
Gaiman: Absolute homage & a tip of the hat to Douglas, who was still alive when I wrote it and it was first broadcast.
*glee*
OneOfManyParticipantI still don’t understand your position. You speak of the artistic properties of aesthetics and objectivity as if they are interchangeable, and both the unilateral function of art. Whatever that may mean, I do not believe that it can be inferred from what Chekhov was trying to say. Check out my literature blog–I’ve monologued extensively on this topic (spec. “For Hevel Havalim: In Defense of Literature and Literacy” and “What’s in a Novel?”).
Also, who exactly are you representing with that “we”? I have heard the opinions of many frum people on this subject, and I have never heard this one before.
OneOfManyParticipantItcheSrulik: In a good way or a bad way? π
torah613: I don’t know “art for arts’ sake” means. Also, I don’t know what your understanding of “??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ??” is.
OneOfManyParticipantMRS PLONY: You are misunderstanding an essential quality that writers like Pratchett possess–one that I think is best expressed by Chekhov:
That the world swarms with male and female scum is perfectly true. Human nature is imperfect. But to think that the task of literature is to gather the pure grain from the mulch heap is to reject literature itself. Artistic literature is called so because it depicts life as it really is. Its aim is truth unconditional and honest. A writer is not a confectioner, not a dealer in cosmetics, not an entertainer; he is a man bound under compulsion, by the realization of his duty and by his conscience. To a chemist, nothing on earth is unclean. A writer must be as objective as a chemist.
It seems to me that the writer should not try to solve such questions as those of God, pessimism, etc. His business is but to describe those who have been speaking or thinking about God and pessimism, how and under what circumstances. The artist should be not the judge of his characters and their conversations, but only an unbiased observer.
You are right in demanding that an artist should take an intelligent attitude to his work, but you confuse two things: solving a problem and stating a problem correctly. It is only the second that is obligatory for the artist.
You abuse me for objectivity, calling it indifference to good and evil, lack of ideas and ideals, and so on. You would have me, when I describe horse thieves, say: Stealing horses is an evil. But that has been known for ages without my saying so. Let the jury judge them; its my job simply to show what sort of people they are. I writ: you are dealing with horse thieves, so let me tell you that they are not beggars but well-fed people, that they are people of a special cult, and that horse stealing is not simply theft but passion. Of course it would be pleasant to combine art with a sermon, but for me personally it is impossible owing to the conditions of technique. You see, to depict horse thieves in 700 lines I must all the time speak and think in their tone and feel in their spirit. Otherwise, the story will not be as compact as all short stories ought to be. When I write, I reckon entirely upon the reader to add for himself the subjective elements that are lacking in the story.
(Emphasis added.)
OneOfManyParticipantSo who got the app?
OneOfManyParticipantWe turned over the strollers tonight (to vacuum underneath). π
Our kitchen is pretty much turned over–tomorrow we are going to finish up and start cooking! π
OneOfManyParticipantjmh: lol, don’t remember–read it when about 6 years ago. π
I suggested Neverwhere because I think it is his cleanest adult work…Stardust would be next, but I think it is less so.
And I hadn’t heard of Tom Holt–just wikipedia’d him and he sounds interesting. I’ll see if I can get my hands on one of his books before Pesach. Any recommendations?
OneOfManyParticipantso how exactly does this differ from the “Post to Post–NOT” topic? π
OneOfManyParticipant“The Doctor’s Wife” GSCKJRSDFCZS AMAZING
and yeah, that’s the one.
OneOfManyParticipantI opened up this thread to say something, but I see Sacrilege has already said it. π
OneOfManyParticipantCoraline was my first Gaiman book, so it has a special place in my heart… π
Yserbius: I think you are speaking of Smoke and Mirrors? I liked that one, especially “Troll Bridge.” I liked Fragile Things better, though–especially that faceless slaves one lol.
Can’t wait for his next Who episode… π
OneOfManyParticipantjust my hapence: lol, I feel like the Adams, Pratchett and Gaiman fandoms all sort of bleed into each other. π
writersoul: lol, I find that I never outgrow good writing. I actually was reading Homer Price the other day. π I’d recommend Neverwhere.
Yserbius: My favorite too. (Though I haven’t read it in like six years. :P)
OneOfManyParticipantcommonsense: There are a plethora of scholarships available to those who enroll in an Israel option program. Most people in my seminary ended up paying even less than I did. It’s the same as paying for college–it’s all a matter of how much you exert yourself to find resources.
Torah613Torah: lol, thanks. Midterms–you know how it is. π
ticke me pink: I actually only used Masa and FAFSA. They really covered my needs, so I didn’t look much further. Search the CR, though–I remember there being a few threads on the topic.
OneOfManyParticipantMy seminary had a sticker price of $16,800, of which we were only charged about $13,000 in total, of which my parents contributed only $6,000. There are plenty of scholarships available, and plenty of seminaries are more than willing to work with students to figure out a reasonable payment plan. The problems you speak of are blown way out of proportion and in part stam not true.
OneOfManyParticipantlol @ talmud
OneOfManyParticipant1. Is it living? Nope
2. Is it edible? Yup (most of it ;))
3. are there a lot of different types of this thing? Yup
4. Is it used as a decoration? Nope
5. Does it grow from the ground? Nope
6. Can it swim? Nope
7. Is it colorful? Nope
8. Is it natural? Nope
9. Can you hold it? Yup
10.Is it coca-cola? Nope
11. Is it bigger than a load of bread? sometimes
12. Is it chocolate? Nope π
13. Does it have a smell? Nope
14. Is it fleishig? Sometimes
15. Is it made out [of]plastic? Sometimes
16. Is it Kosher lpesach? Nope
17. Is it pareve? Sometimes
18. Is it hard? could be
19. Is it Shnitzel? Seriously?! No
20. Is it kishke? Nope
have absolutely no idea what it is…
OneOfManyParticipantwritersoul: Have you ever read anything by Neil Gaiman?
Itchesrulik: Welcome back! ^_^
notasheep: here I am π
OneOfManyParticipantHaven’t read it, but yay I get to be the funny one. ^_^
OneOfManyParticipantbump ^_^
OneOfManyParticipantari-free: That’s not British–that’s Shakespearish.
shnitzy: lol…actually, The Wee Free Men is definitely more girly than Wyrd Sisters. π
OneOfManyParticipantI read somewhere that chocolate is good for recuperating from dementor attacks..I can’t remember where I read it though.
Probably Harry Potter.
o rly
OneOfManyParticipantOr- the you know what hits the fan and the next year will be very “interesting” (as in the proverbial curse, ‘may you live in interesting times’)
Not a bad book, as far as the Rincewind ones go. ^_^
OneOfManyParticipanthaifagirl:
So, if I offer you something called “rice,” why isn’t the brocha what one would make on rice? Is it because I say “rice” in Japanese instead of English? Does that really make a difference?
Actually, if you want to look at the matter from a historical perspective, the ikkar is definitely NOT the rice. Fish farmers used to preserve their fish by pressing them between sheets of vinegared rice. When they used the fish, they would throw out the rice. Eventually they decided to just eat the rice too. π Don’t know what impact this would have on the bracha, though.
OneOfManyParticipantwritersoul: Nice! lol did you read the Guide because of the CR?
ari-free: I don’t know, I think most of the people on this thread aren’t British…
Torah613Torah: lol. I don’t remember where that quote is from exactly, but it is a classic Rincewind quote. Basically, Rincewind is this cowardly wizard (“WIZZARD”) who just wants to be left alone, yet keeps getting swept off on these epic adventures to save all of the Disc, etc. So…yeah.
shnitzy: I agree with writersoul. I started with that one, and I think it was a bad idea. I advise either Wyrd Sisters, Mort, Guards, Guards! or The Wee Free Men.
OneOfManyParticipantHEYYY! This must be a week for returning lurkers! Of course I remember you, mitzvahgirl/supergirl! π Shall I pull up the 20 questions thread? ^_^
March 14, 2013 3:30 am at 3:30 am in reply to: Where is Gumball?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #936753OneOfManyParticipantHiya Gumball! ^_^
OneOfManyParticipantHeyyyyyy writersoul! Of course I remember you, Hermione! ^_^ I can’t believe you were a closet Discworlder all this time…glad we were able to bring you out of lurkage with this! π
lol I am with you about the Rincewind books. Except my favorite Discworld character is the Luggage, so I have to read them for that… π
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OneOfManyParticipantWhen I opened this thread I was sure it was either a complaint about springtime or something about the pope. π
OneOfManyParticipantbump for 42 when he logs on at 3 AM π
OneOfManyParticipantOneOfManyParticipantMore favorite quotes, cuz why not ^_^
It was a good clang, with the oiyoiyoioioioioioinnnnnggggggg that is the mark of a clang well done.
Time passed, which, basically, is its job.
Dogs are not like cats, who amusingly tolerate humans only until someone comes up with a tin opener that can be operated with a paw.
It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists’ houses and smashing their windows.
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