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I just heard recently about a 20-year-old boy that married a 28-year-old girl (I don’t know them personally).
And my mother is four years older than my father, too.
He may be retarded, but at least he can pull it off.
mdd:
Skiaddict, rock-throwing on Shabbos is disapproved of because under the circumstances that is not the way to deal with the problem (you are not going to fix the frei majority this way). However, it is not something which is absolutely out of the wack — it is just not good under the circumstances.
Why doesn’t this principle applies in this case as well? (Assuming what this person said was indeed muttar.)
popa: I ski with a skirt on, and I haven’t found it all that hazardous…
Raphael Kaufman: I ski (well, used to, anyway) in a skirt with snow-pants underneath. I never had any problem with it…this is highly unusual…
popa: Is that wearing pants without a skirt you’re talking about? Why would that be muttar?
All you people who are judging skiaddict all over again: While what this person said might have technically been correct, you CAN’T say what they did was right. Reproof that is not given with the proper intent (that it should be accepted and utilized) is not real tochacha, and is not only hurtful and counterproductive – it’s stam not right.
And I must say, mdd, to draw a parallel between a bas yisroel struggling with tznius and murderers/rapists is very off-color.
There is no reference in the torah to women driving cars/going to school/posting on online forums either…nu?
Here’s another way to look at it: a guy who isn’t the biggest ba’al middos is coached to do all the right things so at least he’ll look like he’s trying (perfectly legitimate). A really decent guy, maybe a little nervous/inexperienced, forgets and messes up.
Logical outcome of this – by making a big deal out of it, we are actually invalidating it as a criterion to judge by. Like when someone calls for shidduch information, and you are forced to exaggerate and misrepresent the subject in order to accurately portray them. It’s a bissel counter-intuitive.
RABBAIM: When I was in high school, this issue came up (in reference to a school play), and the psak the school got was not quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.
I’m all for it, actually. I just don’t think it’s such a big deal. Sure, little things count – but not as much as big things.
frumnotyeshivish: Nice post.
Just want to add one thing: it’s certainly nobody’s business to comment on what level of bitachon someone else is on.
Totally with cinderella on this one…
I think it’s stupid to read too much into it. There are more important things to occupy your mind with on a first date.
Resistance is futile.
E-VAC-U-ATE E-VAC-U-AAAAATE
Where did the dolphins go when they evacuated? Did they join the mice? (Mod 42, do you know this too?)
frumnotyeshivish: Don’t you go through regular admissions before you transfer the credits?
yentingyenta: Dunno about your professors, but I have several pregnant friends and their docs all told them it’s okay in strictly limited quantities. Like kiddush wine. Your professor and their doctors can duke it out, if you’d like.
I’m not trying to say that you HAVE to take them. Truthfully, I really don’t what specific college do or don’t require. But I think it’s incorrect to say “it won’t do a/t for you.” High SAT are a big plus in admission (as much as colleges try to deny it), qualify you for high-end academic scholarships, and usually ARE required for admission into Honors programs. Obviously, if you know you won’t do well, it won’t pay to take it. But if you can, you only stand to benefit.
Incidentally, I also applied to Touro, and they gave me a full academic scholarship based on my SAT scores alone.
I am also referring to the test in general. There is no need to pluralize “SAT.”
Sam2: Actually, it IS okay to drink with moderation while pregnant.
littleapple: If what you are saying is true, then the word “retarded” has lost its meaning in that context and is therefore no longer derogatory (in the way everyone here is protesting it is). So you’re actually justifying popa here.
By the way, there’s some more good stuff on Machon Raaya here:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/trying-to-find-the-right-seminary
It’s really very different from Michlalah – it’s MUCH smaller, and much more yeshivish. What they have in common in the textual/inquiry-based learning (vs. hashkafic). It’s not quite like Hadar- or BJJ-yeshivish, though – it’s more like out-of-town, yeshivish background/aspiring yeshivish. VERY strong hashkafos. The closest seminary that I heard it compared to would probably be Bnos Sarah – with the type of learning you might get at Michlalah.
By the way, I think they have over 50 this year. So not to fear – it’s not getting smaller. (I am personally against this expansion, but okay.)
Best Classic(al)?
Debussy’s Arabesque :}
I think it’s funny, too, and I don’t care if you agree with ME, either.
ICOT, nice! 🙂
ItcheSrulik: lol
That’s the spirit! 😀
Couldn’t resist. (I know, I know – it was NOT funny…:P)
My own, very non-authoritative opinion: it’s our generation’s own brand of sinas chinam. There’s absolutely no reason to care or bother about others’ life choices, but we all keep on doing it anyway.
I don’t have any definition. I just don’t think your theoretical example is sound.
I have to say, I don’t think it’s necessarily because they felt “inadequate” or “jealous”. Like I said on the “What’s the Idea with College?” thread – some people just don’t get that other people are hardwired differently than they are, and therefore need different things to lead fulfilling lives. And then they get all passionate and stubborn about it, because they REALLY think that the other side is delusional – because they honestly can’t conceive of living such a way.
(I’ve had a lot of experience dealing with such people…I just keep telling myself that they are really well-meaning…)
Of course, it’s highly possible that they were just a bunch of mean old goats. I’m just saying.
If you knew the answer then why would you look. The fact that a person looks they are not confident in their own answer.
I still think that sam4321 has a good point. I can prove it from experience – in high school, after every test, my friend and I would go over all the questions together, just to make sure we got the same answers. There’s just some subconscious urge to second-guess yourself. And it’s a little bit iffy to indulge in that during the time construct of the test…
drinking n driving is a no go, umless it’s coffee flavoured beer:P!!!!
…or if you’re in Israel, where the beer is non-alcoholic…(?!)
Alchohol is assur and you will burn in heck. Minus your liver.
I think we’ve got everything constructive we are going to get out of this thread…(mods?)
Hey, popa, is your brother the Illustrated Man that some dude wrote a book about?
Every person has a different derech hachaim. Some people need college in their lives, some people manage without. If a person who doesn’t need to go to college thinks you are irreligious for needing to, then they’re just silly. Likewise, if you think they are narrow-minded and cloistered for doing as they do, then YOU are silly. Secular colleges are a different kettle of fish, but you still won’t become automatically irreligious by going to one. Bottom line? What matters is how well you know yourself and what your parents/rav/mentor say.
frumnotyeshivish: You don’t need any preexisting knowledge to succeed in college. If one is not especially intelligent, then such knowledge may help, but I trust that most (not necessarily ALL) yeshiva bochurim are sharp enough not to need that crutch.
frumnotyeshivish: If you are planning on going to a conventional college (Jewish or not), then it IS worth is to take the SAT. I think (correct me if I’m wrong) even Touro requires it now. I don’t know how yeshiva credits work, so I won’t comment on them, but I DO know that you have to go through some sort of accredited program to get credit for seminary. So bottom line, if you plan on getting a degree, SAT scores can matter.
By the way:
SAT = U.S.
SATs = England
SAT’s = nobody.
Did you get into the Honors program you wanted to get into?
I think sam4321 makes a good point about confidence in your answer.
I know this thread is old, but I just wanted to say that I took the SAT twice (incidentally, I also got 2040 the first time around :D), and I did SOOOO much better the second time around, even though I didn’t study as much…it’s definitely worth a shot!
But you also may want to note that most Honors programs don’t accept applicants that have already matriculated at a different college…
commonsense: To the best of my knowledge, they don’t actually require SAT scores.
Well, Touro is the academic dregs, so I guess they are even, then.
Mod 007 – I see you already have the CR spirit…;)
Half: Not really…it’s more like somewhere exactly between BJJ and Michlalah. In mini-version (though I hear it’s growing…). I’ve heard it compared to Bnos Sarah, and I think that comparison is more apt.
cinderella: Are you one too? 😉
(You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.)
Oooh, ooh, pick me! 😀
I wrote a nice megillah over here:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/seminary-3#post-312833
(My post is directly beneath.)
If you have any specific questions, ask away!
(Ha! Beat you, bymrstudent! :P)