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Meh. Stilted language is much worse than handicapped language.
Spleenless Sheep, are you related to the dolt and the retard? I detect a familial resemblance…
And I thought mine would singe the hair off your head. I think the mod meant shuriken, which are Japanese throwing stars. Some of them are wicked huge. 😀
Ya got quite a subtitle for such a caring little fluffball…
Chocolate is poisonous to dogs. 😛
*snort* I sincerely hope you’re just trolling…
Carbon dioxide?
lol I love that book.
What are frum yidden doing at the zoo anyways? Too much pritzus and shtus going on.
lolololol what a comedian.
shein: I don’t think that’s true. Trolliness isn’t inherent to the opinion itself – it’s in the way and to whom it’s presented. Everyone’s entitled to an extreme opinion, but if they purposely blast it in dissenters’ faces in a really gratuitous way, like by starting threads for no other reason than to have people argue with them, then they’re trolling. Even if they sincerely believe in their opinions. It’s something called tact. In real life, lack of tact makes you a boor – here, it makes you a troll.
Would you like an object to go with your possessive noun?
Sorry, Rabbi Ain’t-Mr.-Nice-Guy.
Bar Shattya: That may be true in general, but random idiots online aren’t worth hating. Whoever professes hatred toward sad little trolls and retards really is just a histrionic idiot.
Is it a gas?
Hey, number three sounds kinda fun… >D
I have a theory about trolls that I’ve been cogitating over for a while (ever since the CoreyToTheTroll incident). I think that it’s entirely possible (though how probably, I don’t know) for someone to be a wicked evil troll without even realizing it. I mean, it’s an anonymous frum forum – it’s only natural to want to discuss all sorts of controversial topics that are sort of taboo in regular conversation. Also, people sort of disconnect online communication from real life (which may be why people have no qualms about rudeness here), so they probably don’t even think about the fact that randomly barging in and rabble rousing is very annoying and rude. Though truthfully, I don’t think this applies to most trolls (here, at least). Just a possibility.
popa ain’t Mr. Nice Guy himself. But you’re right, it is kinda getting heated in here. Someone wanna get that window?
Yeah, yeah, tell it to the judge.
RepresENT!
1. Ummmmm…so dunno if you heard…but that policy isn’t being received very well over there…
And there really is no point, either. We’re in golus. We can’t live the way we really should. Maybe it’s really best to just live your life serving Hashem as best you can instead of fighting a war that will just bring you down.
2. Okay then. And you are convinced that this is some sort of pressing “situation” of epidemic proportions?
Do you use it as a tool to accomplish a task?
I think you guys are just pitting two valid educational philosophies against each other. Just, y’know, different strokes for different folks.
Sam2: He ate the plastic bag?!
I think he’s like mod 80 – knows what it is, but doesn’t really hold of it. 😛
That’s not what I meant… No, “majority” does not rule in civil society. We try to operate by “live and let live.” If, as you say, the differing hashkafos between parties are in a way that directly affects the one party, then they should simply tell them to bug off. But I don’t even think that’s applicable, because I think you’re exaggerating this “situation.”
But to the actual purpose of thread: why do you think that the fact that there are a lot of yeshiva bochurim and sem girls getting on to buses at the same time is “taaruvois”?
Aw, don’t go… 🙁
I’m not going to say what I think about it. The point is, what you and I think is irrelevant to what they think. And it’s their hashkafos, not ours. And to tell you the truth, I really don’t know why modern girls would try to approach boys with curly paiyes…
Sensationalist journalism. 😛
…if he suddenly stops posting?
lol then we’ll leave it. If you get blocked we’ll start the thread.
Last week I was walking down 34th St. and suddenly I felt someone tugging on my backpack like they were pickpocketing me. I whirled around and was about to punch them in the face…and the dude hands me a missionary pamphlet. I’m sure the look on my face was priceless… 😛
Well, I don’t think you’re Joseph, so whatever. But it will probably take a long time for the subtitle to come off…maybe we ahould start a plea thread?
lol very good.
I would like to randomly praise Goq for randomly bumping all these awesome threads. It’s really making cleaning more enjoyable. And also for being randomly awesome himself. Thank you, Goq. 🙂
Toi: You say “modern looking.” The more modern are more open to inter-gender socialization. It’s not a taboo by them. They will do what they will do, but it’s hardly a “situation” that needs to be “handled.” It’s their own deal.
It does make sense for the hotel. But that’s not what you said. You said, “The number of people who will only go to a hotel serving gebrochts is minimal,” which implies that the customers don’t really care if they get their gebrochts or not (because they apparently have no obligation to eat it.) Then again you say, “The gebrochts people will still generally come if the kitchen is non-gebrochts.” Maybe some don’t care, but the majority still do. Why do you care if they care anyway? They’ll just pick one that does gebrocht, and shalom al yisroel.
Is Chacham really Joseph? He doesn’t sound like him at all…
Oh seriously people. Let the non-gebrochters non-gebrocht in peace. (As long as they don’t try to make us join them… :P)
Naysberg: You said that many gebrochts people give up gebrochts because they don’t have any obligation to eat it. I think we gebrochts people like our gebrochts too much to give it up on such spurious reasoning.
The number of people who will only go to a hotel serving gebrochts is minimal, as it isn’t a mandate for them to eat it; whereas it is a mandate for those that refrain.
That doesn’t make any sense.
I HATE latex gloves. They make my hands all powdery and clammy.
Okay, I’m really confused by this thread. I was in E”Y last year, and I was in Geula a couple of times Erev Shabbos, and yes, there is rush hour traffic, but there are no negiah problems if you keep to yourself and keep moving. Like rush hour on the subway. Like any normal person. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that’s the only problem that I can possibly think of. There was no “mingling” of yeshiva bochurim and BY sem students. I don’t get why the fact that there are a lot of people getting on buses means they are going to “mingle.” Or “hang out.” Whatever you like to call it. I think some people are inventing problems just for the heck of it. And it’s seriously ridiculous.
elikatz and Bar Bay Rav: Very bizarre idea. Even people who approved of mixed events wouldn’t go for it. Kal v’chomer when we’re talking about mainstream yeshiva bochurim and BY sem girls.
zahavasdad: Even Toi doesn’t seem to agree with Joseph – I doubt anyone else does. 😛
I actually considered Stern very briefly, but nixed it because of the money. (Mainly. Hashkafic whateverness too, a little bit.) Pashut ridiculous. Might as well just apply to Harvard.
Loyal Jew = Joseph
Have no idea why the mods don’t care, but don’t bother arguing with him.
I grew up oot…I live in NY now, though.
Forget kitchen – food preparation begins way before that.
lol MiddlePath, I think that was the most amicable disagreement I’ve had in the CR.
Just buy some insoles and bump up to a 6. 🙂
…the one I went to?
You’re wrong about bans and allowances. I don’t know if it really bothered the hanhala or not, but they definitely knew girls were on it and didn’t take any punitive measures. If someone brought a gun to school (or wore pants or broke any other “unspoken” rule), they would have. If you don’t have a rule and don’t enforce it, you can’t pretend that people are breaking it. Plus, you can make such assumptions about matters that are illegal/unequivocally assur, but not really with matters that are more than black-and-white.
Besides, my school quite sufficiently specific and thorough when it came to bans, so there was no need to read anything else into their policy.
Also, I didn’t make the point in order to cast their decision in a bad light. I was merely pointing out that it’s unlikely that they did it just for kicks. So calm down and stop trying to attack things out of context.
Welcome Be lucky! Our president Mr. Goq will give you an official welcome as soon as he arrives. 🙂
Hiya! Wait right there – we will pull up the welcome wagon for you. 🙂
Middlepath: I have to disagree. Yes, the parents are ultimately responsible for their children’s chinuch – but once the kids are enrolled in a school, the parents and the school need to work as a team. Saying this is my domain and that is their domain ties both parties’ hands. Parents should definitely not be completely reliant on the school to raise their kids, but a school does a lot, lot more than just teach stuff, and it’s dangerous to try to downplay the role they really do have.
Look at it this way – let’s say the parents really don’t want their kid on Facebook or whatever. If the school they choose doesn’t have rules to that effect, there will be those there who do have it, and the kids in question will probably get into it too. Of course, the opposite works as well – if the school doesn’t allow it and the parents do, you also end up at odds. The point is that there’s no way to have a defined set of standards if the two major forces in a child’s chinuch are cutting each other short. And defined standards are essential.
Agav – if you think about it, there are schools much more mainstream than Bais Rivka that have no ban on Facebook. That makes me suspect that the move may have been necessary for some reason or another. I still don’t know or want to know what the situation is, but I think there’s a lot of room to be dan l’kaf zchus.