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wha? Please explain to me why someone *has* to have the upper hand.
…so that’s your response my post?
That is not what the term “absurd” means. Notice the use of the terms both “hypothetical” and “absurd.”
toi: That’s not really a convincing proof. What I believe you are describing is use hypothetical or absurd scenarios from which to extrapolate principles, basis for further inquiry, etc. This is a mode of thinking that one can certainly have natural proclivity toward, but is mostly trained. As posters above have said, people in STEM fields deal in such thinking, and spend years of schooling honing not merely their knowledge, but their understanding of such principles. Also, being “good at math” doesn’t really signify anything–like I said, this is something that you train extensively at the highest levels. Generally, frum (yeshivish/chareidi) girls are not trained in any such field, so even if they have some natural proclivity toward such thinking, they won’t be able to realize it. Also, I’d be willing to bet that male BTs who enter the system without any prior Talmudic knowledge or training in a STEM field (or a discipline such as classical philosophy, etc.) would have the same problem.
I logged into Twitter and…
Scar ?@GrumpyScar
The same Jury found me Not Guilty of killing Mufasa. #zimmermanverdict
*snerks discreetly*
^_^
Disease? Is there anything inherently wrong with any of those things? If you find those actions disruptive in a specific scenario, then you should definitely ask them to stop. Making a general protest against all such actions, when they are really not as heinous as you make them out to be, doesn’t make sense.
In general, if you find specific actions disturbing in a social setting, the best tactic is to ask the person doing them directly to stop–even if it is a widespread issue that you think needs to be addressed on a larger scale. If you need to address it all over again with a different person, then so be it. If you really want to deal with the issue, that is really the only way (personal experience).
+1 Sam2
I’d also like to second interjection’s point. The wearing of clothing is an important and complex cultural and sociological marker, and it comprises a great deal more social consciousness than some here seem to attribute it. It’s just bizarre to claim that one group would choose a mode of dress for the sole purpose of seeking attention from another group.
psh, Syag was much closer
SlichosGenendel, The little I know: I think both of you are incorrect. Different people have different approaches to money management, and what works for one couple may not work for the next. If a couple feels pressure to adopt a method that isn’t really suited to them, I don’t think the resulting problems mean their marriage is cooked–just that they need to figure out and agree on something that works. (Of course, problems in a marriage can manifest in shared or discrete money management issues–I’m just saying that B doesn’t necessarily indicate A.)
huh. For once, I agree with frumnotyeshivish.
heh heh. Nope, nope, and nope.
Benjamin Harrison
points if you can guess why
don’t worry, unless your name is Jean-Luc Picard he probably won’t bother you.
Two weeks ago I waited on line for four hours to get Neil Gaiman’s autograph. Worth every second (especially when a lively discussion about Firefly’s cancellation and how the cherubs on the side of the building looked like evil Weeping Angel cherubs ensued as we approached the wee hours of the morning). ^_^
mmmmhmmm. So maybe they were worried that your curiosity might overcome you while opening every door in the house looking for your room.
how did you know that they were locked?
SlichosGenendel: No, I was the one who told her to post good things. You were the one who told her NOT to post unless she had something “original, humorous, and appropriately mature” to post–the logical reduction of that being (in the context of you critiquing her posting, or course–wouldn’t want to take anything out of context) that what she had been posting until now was NOT “original, humorous, and appropriately mature.” Not to mention you TELLING HER NOT TO POST. Stop trying to twist your OWN words into something positive.
ubiquitin: I am aware of the events that have transpired. As I have stated above, I support the VALIDITY of the criticism of her behavior, and have even voiced my own thoughts on the matter to Shopping613. What I do not support is the MANNER in which he is bringing his complaint, to wit:
(1) his presumption in speaking for the entire CR
(2) his high-handed determination of what should be considered normal posting habits
(3) his apparent belief that his supposed CR backing allows him to suggest that she leave the CR.
And even if you do away with the first issue, the second two are still compelling.
(1) “Poetic license”? Do you even realize how full of BS that sounds?
(2) The fact that you feel the need to have the whole CR back you to get your point across says something about the sincerity of your criticism. You claim to be rendering a reasonable criticism. As I understand it, constructive criticism is something that (a) addresses a valid issue and (b) does so in a manner that could reasonably be accepted by the person being criticized. The way you are going about this, you seem to think that to think as long as you have enough people “voting” with you, you are at complete liberty to decide the part b of the equation–even going so far as to “vote them off the island.” Now, I don’t know standards of normative social behavior you were raised with, but normal human interactions are not run like a game show. If you raise a legitimate issue, you shouldn’t feel the need ground your argument in hiding behind others to “get your point across.” And regardless of the approval of others, you do not get to unilaterally decide what is a reasonable way to broach an issue. Like I said before, such behavior is no more than the actions of a bully and a coward.
(2.5) Will you stop claiming to know the opinions of all 30,000 users of this forum. Not only is that impossible, those opinions are irrelevant to your claim (as I have just demonstrated).
(3) On the topic of constructive criticism: in my initial post on this matter (found HERE), you will notice that while I decry your manner of rendering it, I DO offer my own criticism of Shopping613’s behavior. You see, I am not jumping to defend her behavior at all. What I am tying to demonstrate is that are invalid ways to address what can be a valid issue.
WIY: No, dictating when and where and how the criticism can be rendered does not remove the double standard. What would is saying that she is equally open to to voice whatever constructive criticism she sees fit–as it establishes the SAME standard for both parties involved.
I think your problem here lies in your understanding of the term “constructive criticism.” You define both criticism being rendered and received in terms of only yourself–you get to decide the criteria for both. In reality, constructive criticism is a two way street. The person giving the criticism must be mindful that it is indeed constructive, and the person being criticized must be allowed to voice their opinion as what is constructive in terms of their needs. Saying that one side MUST (as a condition of marriage, as stated) be open to what the other party decides is constructive criticism sets a standard for something that cannot be called true constructive criticism.
SlichosGenendel: No, you’ve got it all wrong. YOU posted an opinion on behalf of the entire CR that a number of us do to not agree with. You also presumed to dictate how people should reasonably use the CR, which I personally (notice the lack of plural pronouns and “on behalf of the entire CR”s) do not think is your right to dictate. In my opinion, such presumption is not only unreasonable but a very cowardly form of bullying. And there is a difference between criticism and bullying. I cannot speak for the others, but that is why I objected to your comment.
And one more thing–“Remember that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent”? No, people are not RESPONSIBLE for causing the inferiority the feel when they subject to unreasonable criticism and/or bullying. And trying to reverse the assignation of guilt is also bullying, fyi.
writersoul: lol there are definitely other people who don’t like the stuff. We are not alone in this coffee-loving world. 😛
WIY: Yeah. Some of my brothers are very into that.
writersoul: I don’t think he should have the right to criticize at all, since he thinks his wife shouldn’t be able to criticize him.
Whoever posted that most definitely does not speak on behalf of the rest of us. The CR is meant to be used however and whenever you would like to use it. And even if you do post an abnormal amount, that’s your business alone. If you feel that you don’t like it here, or that it’s a complete waste of time, you should definitely stop posting. But don’t do it because someone bullied you into leaving. And stam, I don’t think you post as much as people think you do. You just produce a high volume of posts in a small period of time every day, which gives off the impression that you post very frequently.
What I would suggest, though: if you are bored with the CR, instead of posting about how boring it is, search through the old threads to find something interesting to bump or think of a fun topic to start yourself. That’s a lot more productive, and won’t irritate people.
The reason my complaints would not pass the censor are only partly due to that episode. My other complaints had more to do with character arcs than specific plot points.
ha. hahaha. That would take a while to go into, and most of it won’t pass this site’s censor. 😛 It’s basically the writing and character concepts that I don’t like.
Aw, can’t believe you didn’t like Hitchhiker’s movie. I loved it. Kinda reminded me of Galaxy Quest. ^_^
haifagirl: ^_^
WIY: That sounds very charming, but how exactly do those sentiments obviate the double standard I’ve pointed out?
yekke2: lol very clever. It’s the latter. 😛
What Yitz46 said. The only parallel that could be made between learning in kollel and scholarship in the humanities is that no one thinks it is worthwhile except the people who value such knowledge, and there are lots of people who would be relieved to see you “snap out of it” and get a “real” job. But as for scholarship in the humanities, there are no free lunches whatsoever, and even at the top of the food chain (which few manage to reach), there’s a tremendous pressure to keep your name in publication. So I have heard from the English chair of my college (I’m an English major).
Maurice Sendak
Neil Gaiman
Cynthia Ozick
Isaac Israels
Isaac Levitan
Emma Lazarus
Joseph Heller
Ayn Rand
Franz Kafka
I no kid
*coughDOUBLESTANDARDcoughcough*
Well, cinnamon means “my fortune is yours.” So they probably mean she wants to give you all her money.
they’re like the yellow roses of cookies
Eat the cookies. (Unless they are oatmeal-raisin–those will probably be poisoned.)
By lately, do you mean since summer started? I think that’s when everyone starts wearing them every year.
you should definitely try submitting this to Cosmo
I’ve watched through “A Scandal in Belgravia.” Cumberbatch and Freeman are great, but I do not like the show. Kind of thinking more along the lines of “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.” 😉
I don’t see how that changes anything. The point is, she says this whole thing that is essentially feminist and then says it’s not about feminism. So what is it about? What DO you think feminism is about?
Oh, it’s also not about trying to be like men. Aha.
(Also, the use of “nor” does not show any technical differentiation between two items. In most cases where nor is used, it is to show an equivalence [i.e. the “neither/nor” construct].)