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WIY: You’re right – I personally wouldn’t care, and I think most girls wouldn’t as well. I just don’t get why you take that for granted and don’t feel the need to show any clemency in return.
lol I see you are suffering from some doublepostitis. If Dr. Goq or Syag were around, I’d say ask them for a prescription…I’m afraid you’ll have to tough it out. 😛
purplicious: I picture you as a Gumball. A purple one. ^_^
Showjoe: Eeeeeeeexcellent. ^_^ (lol I better keep at it if I don’t want to get demoted again :P)
My count does not include non-Discworld. I agree with you that they aren’t as good (Nation comes to mind) – with the exception of Good Omens, of COURSE (Terry Pratchett + Neil Gaiman = BEST BOOK EVER). I do have Dodger on my To-Read list – it sounds pretty good…
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So what your saying is that what shidduch-age boys consider “presentable” in a girl matters, but not vice versa? Or are you saying that just your opinion matters?
Also? I can kill you with my brain.
Okay, so what you’re saying is that your whole piece on sweatshirts is really irrelevant?
Aw shucks. And here I thought I was so cool… 😛
So I get to be VP, showjoe is Treasurer, and Luna can be a trainee. ^_^
We got Death Star…
No one? hmmmm
As a famous economist supposedly said, “The plural of anecdote is not data.”
lol that’s a great line.
Clicking on a person’s screen name is supposed to take you to a person’s profile page. It will give you that error message for one of two reasons:
(a) The person has a user name different from their current screen name (YWN has a feature where you can change your posting name from the one you registered with [disclaimer – this is not so kosher anymore]).
(b) The person’s screen/user name has spaces in it. The code for the links does not put dashes in between separate words of a user name when it redirects you – dashes that are necessary for a screen name to be identified properly.
Example: frummy in the tummy. Clicking on his link will take you to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/frummy%20in%20the%20tummy (profile/frummy in the tummy), when you really need to go to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/frummy-in-the-tummy.
The first cause is pretty hard to get around; the second is simply a matter of entering the dashes into the address bar.
zenzizenzizenzic – the eighth power of a number
That answer is actually helpful. ^_^
Is it bigger than a breadbox?
Is it used for recreational (vs. utilitarian) purposes?
torah613: Being nice to people you don’t necessarily like isn’t manipulative – ostensibly, you should always be nice to people, whether you like them or not. It would be unreasonable to expect someone to be rude in order to make the other person aware of their disinterest.
I think she is little misguided, and too given to blindly justifying what she is used to. I don’t think she is trolling.
I think we defined equality as relates to this discussion as “equal opportunity, with consideration of biological realities”? According to this definition, your sentence should read: Every man, no matter how fit, should be permitted to apply to serve in the army if they wish to.
Does it have any mechanical/electronic components?
Joseph: If I cannot definitively prove that there is a God, ought I concede that there isn’t?
torah613: And if they look at you in horror because you wear green and they prefer only black? Is that considered halachically “good”?
Also, I think that it is very bad to keep halacha only because the people around you are doing it, and not at all a feasible mode of avodas Hashem.
torah613: Hm, I was actually trying to talk about equality in general, using the army only as an example. But okay.
I do not believe the moral imperative to treat people equally is mitigated by how hard it is to do so. Additionally, any inconvenience can simply be a backlash from being in an unjust state of inequality. So I can’t agree with you at all on that. …but I can’t really refute it, either.
And what do disabled men have to do with this? If they are unfit for duty, they are discharged. If a woman is unfit for duty, she is not given a commission.
and I agree with popa that dishonesty is not at all the issue here.
Nevertheless, I wouldn’t do it because I believe shidduchim come from Shamayim and my hishtadlus is to always tell the truth and not mislead people. In this case, this would cause me some wasted time, but that’s worth it for me to be a person who is honest.
But I agree with DY that it is not really unethical, and I wouldn’t judge someone else who did this.
Dishonesty is inherently unethical, unless you have a very good reason for it. If shiduchim are all from shamayim, etc., then why would lying to facilitate them be justified?
It’s interesting that there are two distinct groups of responses here. My hypothesis is that if you ONLY do shidduch dating, you think that this is an okay thing to do.
I am not yet dating, but I plan on using the shidduch system exclusively when I date.
I’m trying to think of how I picture people. I guess I really don’t.
lol I don’t either. Like, in real life, a friend ask me if their parent or whatever looks like I imagined, and I’ll be like, “Uh…” And the funny thing is I am ordinarily a visual person. hmm
SaysMe: ^_^
torah613: I agree that social standards can matter. But a lot of times they are taken to an extent where they become stam silly. For example, I agree with the idea that people in shidduchim should make the extra effort to make themselves look presentable. But when you start naming random articles of clothing or hygiene choices and categorically stating that they are “presentable” or “pas nisht,” then you are taking the idea to the silly extreme.
Basically, I think that all things that are “done” should be subject to some scrutiny before they are done.
I think social standards are good, for people who wouldn’t keep halacha otherwise.
Explain?
oh dear oh dear oh dear
Yes, you MUST try again. 😛 The trick is finding the right ones to start with…the earlier ones you generally appreciate more once you already firmly entrenched in the fandom. But you also can’t just start in the middle of an arc (the Dicsworld series consists of several major, mostly disparate story arcs), – I think Hogfather is one of the later Death ones, with Susan Sto Helit… That is probably why you didn’t like them so much.
My recommendations: start with either the Witches arc (starting with Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and on) or the Death arc (starting with Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music and on). Check the Wikipedia entry on Discworld for more info – they have a full list of all the books and what arcs they are part of.
Let me know if you like them! ^_^
This is Art holding a Mirror up to Life. That’s why everything is exactly the wrong way around.
Does the mod-42 card come with a complimentary towel? ^_^
SaysMe +1
lol, I used to play this game with my cousin at sedorim and seudos when the grown ups were having Grown Up Talk. ^_^
Also, the “animal, vegetable, mineral” bit is I think as old as the game itself. I think so because the phraseology is kind of dated…but anyway, check the wiki article on Twenty Questions. It seems to confirm this.
Of course I’m sane – when trees start talking to me, I don’t talk back.
Bump in the afternoon.
Luna: Have you ever read anything by Terry Pratchett? (Answer once someone has posted after this post so as to make your response random. ^_^)
Yeah, it’s pretty low.
And I think we all know
who’s got to go
our man–
dotnetter and WIY: There’s a difference between someone feeling reluctant saying no to someone they are currently dating, and someone choosing to date someone with the intention of manipulating them into saying no, to look good for the shadchan.
Icot: Pretty sure this is the newest Joe…
torah613: We were talking about the concept of equality. The practicality of incorporation does not factor into the concept. And while the religious implications are definitely a sticky wicket in and of themselves, they are still irrelevant to what we were discussing.
torah613613torah: Social standards like wearing Juicy sweatshirts? How exactly am I compelled by halacha to follow such “Jewish standards”?
It originated as a word game played by mouth decades before the electronic adaptation. And the “animal, vegetable, mineral” thing almost never works out literally. That’s just how the game is played.
popa: People who are comfortable manipulating people because they are uncomfortable saying “no” need to find a new comfort zone, fast.
bahhhhhh
Okay, I’ll go for irrelevant: I don’t particularly approve of wearing IDF sweatshirts. Did I say something that made you think that?
psshhhh…that’s a compliment of the highest order, Veltz – I suggest you take it and run. ^_^
DaasYochid: What’s the point in doing that? If you have a valid reason for saying no, I don’t see why the shadchan could reasonably call you picky – and who wants to leave their future in the hands of an unreasonable shadchan? And there is always the consideration that you are being unreasonable in saying no so quickly – in which case, you need to reevaluate. In any case, I don’t see why one would have to go about finagling the boy into saying no.
Remember that in America, one can study on one’s own, and then take the SAT, CLEP, AP exams, and go to a university.
Let’s be realistic here. To prepare for even one of those exams takes a decent amount of time and practice – when supplemented to the regular curriculum it is intended for. To study for them without the basic knowledge they test on would be enormously time consuming and stressful – time that would be better spent distributed over the course of a regular curriculum, if only for the sake of the test-taker’s mental health.
Unless you presuppose that all Jewish students are incredibly gifted geniuses with great emotional resilience. Then fine.
Then he would be have already displayed some serious issues, and there really wouldn’t be any use covering for him. Plus, he isn’t your responsibility at that point, so I see no need to help him out. The only viable damage control would be in fact to say no and not involve yourself further.
This is presupposing that the reason you must say yes and the reason you want to say no are one and the same – seeing as we still need the latter to figure out what the heck’s going on.
torah613613torah:
Equality is giving people equal opportunities with consideration of biological realities.
I entirely agree. And I think yiddeshemeidle613 agrees with you too. No one thinks that women who are unfit for battle should be sent out into war zones. In fact, I don’t really think that most women would serve much use in a war at all (at least in hand-to-hand combat). The point is that that does not logically impute that there are none who can, and therefore cannot serve as a basis for banning all from combat.
My view, basically, is that equal opportunity be bestowed, and care be taken that it be truly “equal,” and not merely intended to pump the number of females for good PR. Any female with the correct motivations (and self-respect – any true feminist would be loathe to respond to such pandering) would probably pass muster and be worthy.
Joseph: Please join only to add something relevant to the subject at hand.
lol I meant torah613613torah. I think I (mostly) agree with you.
Just say no? Or go on the date, act normally, and then say no (if you are still convinced that it’s a no)?
Why aren’t these options?