OneOfMany

hee hee ^_^

Relying on statistics is way worse than relying on generalizations.

Read How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff (favorite book of LIFE).

and here I thought you so clever for making all that up whilst drunk.

and I think that using generalizations instead of clear thinking is a cop out. Rots your brain. And is almost as bad relying on statistics.

popa:

I don’t know why you think it is impossible to value seminary and to make a generalization that it is a waste of money.

I do not know what you mean by that, but as far as I can make out, that is not what I was trying to say.

Nor do I know why you think it requires a close and objective study for people who are living in that world.

I believe the exact opposite. I have no relatives that attended seminary, and wasn’t even entirely aware of what it was until I was in tenth grade. In fact, around that time, I was rather biased against it, being that so many people were being so ridiculous and hysterical about it. I looked into the matter further, though, and came to the conclusion that while it is easy to be dissuaded by the enormous amount of silliness and ill-judgment that most invest in it, it is something that is impossible to make any definitive judgments about. There are too many factors involved (admittedly, the most important being the silliness of the subject). Being surrounded and personally affected by that silliness has colored your view of this.

In a world where your wife, your sisters, your mother, your sisters-in-law, your wife’s friends and co-workers, etc, have all gone to seminary

And perhaps all of your relatives were in the “total bust” category of my earlier analogy. I think this supports my ideas more than it refutes them.

VM:

I readily admit that the hashkafah and halacha that girls learn in seminary is not something that I value at all, mostly because I believe that it’s not legitimate halacha or hashkafah.

[…]it is not susceptible to “objective” studies because it does not purport to offer anything “objective”.

My point precisely!

And as PBA pointed out, my mother, wife and sisters all went to seminary and I saw nothing in their experiences that justified the stress and financial strain that it involved.

See above.

I would be an evil sand witch who would hex all your sandwiches into bat-bogeys. ^_^

Okay, look at the fourth Wikipedia listing on the disambiguation page. 🙂

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First you say that money and seminary mean different things to different people. Then you say “…it’s [?] unlikely to be a financially prudent decision based on beneficial analysis of what money and seminary are worth to that person.” Given that money and seminary mean different things to different people, how exactly were you able to evaluate the financial prudence of the decision “based on…what money and seminary are worth to that person”? Do you know this person or something?

Also, how exactly does having less money and it having been harder to come by make someone less capable of making “financially prudent decision based on beneficial analysis”?

Finally: Can you explain how this statement

…you get to do all kinds of fun things that someone else pays for, while convincing yourself that it’s important for Hashem that you do it.

segued into what you have just explained?

Barring unhealthy social pressure? It is a good decision when social pressure is involved? What exactly are you trying to say?

Veltz: Why do you think seminary is a waste of money?

Reminds me of this thread: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/sopa-and-pipa. lol

I’m on doctor’s orders to do so twice daily. ^_^

No…

ahem, make that MY intellectual property

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/whats-your-patronus/page/2#post-382339

And I’ve retained popa as my lawyer (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ywn-merchandise#post-376814). So you better watch out…

*cacklesnort*

My opinion is that the important thing is to look nice and presentable, not to pander to some arbitrary standard of how everyone must behave. If you really feel that not doing all that lends you a slovenly or unattractive appearance, then I guess you could feel guilty about it. But otherwise, feeling guilt is just silly.

I never wear more than two inches (in which I just barely pass the lower limit of average height :P). I don’t think my feet would survive four inches…

No problem. I like this thread. ^_^

Here are a few new words (/terms) I learned over the past few weeks:

asseveration

otiose

prestidigitation

zenzizenzizenzic

expiatory

hapax legomenon

parturition

recondite.

cerebellum LEFT cerebellum RIGHT synapse hypothalamus striatum dendrite

axon fibers matter gray

BRAINSTEM BRAINSTEM

central tegmental pathway temporal lobe

The reason we wear high heels is what interjection said.

And ^_^ to Syag.

does that include trolling

SaysMe: + a lot!

As an English Literature major with a special interest in modern literature (which is comprises quite a few very articulate authors with perfect diction writing in what is apparently gibberish), I am very much opposed to enforcing the rules of a language at the expense of the authorial voice. I believe that everyone should try to at least master the necessary basics to use as a framework in which to express themselves, but never allow said rules to hamper their mode of expression. And believe me, it’s not the grammar that differentiates good writing from great writing – it’s the power of the voice.

so it’s okay to write like this, I say ^_^

yep yep