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Yitayningwut:
You’ve conveniently ignored the ‘Mecholos’ and have also for some unknown reason assumed the tune was African style.
“Also not sure what contemporary christian evangalistic rock music proves except possibly that like modern Jewish singers, they too have also lost their way in this field. I read once that many christian leaders decry this trend themselves.”
Point taken. I assumed when you spoke about christian music you were referring to the evangelist music. Doesn’t detract from my argument though.
Again point taken. I admit to nit-picking.
I’m not talking about the lyrics. I am talking about the tune. And I don’t believe you if you say rap and heavy metal TUNES inspire you. I simply do not believe it. Your statement that my argument is circular is meaningless because if you read my post you will see that I wasn’t trying to prove anything. I simply asserted my belief on this issue.
Yitayningwut:
Accepting Kabbalah – yes that’s ok. But not when it challenges an ancient Mesorah. Then it is just ‘magic tricks’.
That was what caught out everybody who followed Shabsai Tzvi. He was proficient in Kabbalh – but then wanted to reject the Mesorah.
Yussel: – please explain the point you are making?
Yitayningwut:
Not sure what you’re trying to prove from the ‘Tupim Um’cholos’. Percussion accompanying refined melodious and uplifting tunes – no issue there.
Also not sure what contemporary christian evangalistic rock music proves except possibly that like modern Jewish singers, they too have also lost their way in this field. I read once that many christian leaders decry this trend themselves.
Re your last points. Nobody said anything about good or bad. It’s about materialistic and animalistic vs spiritualistic and emotive.
And finally, it’s not hype and no, you do not need to know enough music – in fact your repertoire of music can be limited to nursery rhymes – and you will still be able to tell that gangsta-rap and heavy metal is more prost and unrefined (even ignoring the lyrics) than Bach and Mozart. The differences amongst the genres in between while at first less obvious are still true.
Tell them did not and we will never accept Jesus for the same reason the Christian’s didn’t accept Muhammed. One guy showing up doing a few magic tricks doesn’t change an ancient belief system.
concerned member: It’s got nothing at all to do with the composer. It’s the genre of the music.
The older classical tunes, are more refined, play less to your animalistic side and more to your higher self. They were composed usually to be played in royal and aristocratic circles
Modern day pop music is the continuing legacy started by the blues, jazz, and then the rock’n’roll movement which have their cultural roots in the tribal dances of Africa (with all the idol-worship connotations that comes with – although that’s not my point.). The discernible difference is the drumbeat and rhythm focus (think mantras [again idol-worship connotations] think rap),rather than a focus on melody and harmony.
A beautiful piece of classical music or anything modern-day similar to that genre can move you to tears as it speaks to your emotions. Rock music just makes you want to throw away your spiritually inspired inhibitions.
There’s a lovely old Invei Hagefen B’Invei Hagefen by Avrohom Fried I always liked. Also nice is the classic Siman Tov Umazel Tov Siman Tov Umazel Tov…..
It should be very clear to anyone who looks up that Mishana Berura that the reason to wear a hat is that it is Derech Kovod. Nothing to do with the number of coverings. I have seen men put their arm over their yarmulka when making a brocha and I believe it to be a total waste of time. Ditto wearing a smacked up, dusty out of shape hat which you would never wear in front of a king.
mussar zoger: the one about Torah Min Hashomayim. The same Torah that talks about a much younger world.
chulent: what is your source for your statement that you are not allowed to put things in your pockets on shabos?
If you are deriving it from the halochoh that you are supposed to check your pockets before Shabos, I would argue that possibly there the chashah pertains to items that have been there for a week and you have completely forgotten about.
‘Enough with the Yiddish already’
Surely you mean ‘Enough OF the Yiddish already’?
Unless you were translating literally from another language where this grammar is correct.
Yiddish springs to mind.
the zoo is really excellent though it it has an interesting past – used to exhibit negroes back in the colonial days. very good parks nearby too.
places to eat – hoffys – meaty really good, blue lagoon – chinese and mamma mia – milky
Zevachim daf 66 sugya of Chatas Ha’Of.
147 – Re your 2nd point – there is a way round it actually. You can be noheg like the Mechaber and the Remo who both hold you can daven Mincha after sunset. Nusach Sefard (especially Chasidim) hold like this.
Also do you have a mokor that minyan overrides tartei desasrei?
Wolf – are you sure that is her choice to make?
Maybe only the husband can be waived of his obligation to support her if she can support herself. (Gittin Daf Yud) But that she can demand that independence? Where’s your source?
Wolf – I believe the gemara in Sanhedrin asks ‘Who pays for the cloth that is used in Chenek, the Tzibur or the person being executed?’ and answers it is paid for by the Tzibur as opposed to the guy himself because the Chiyuv for him to be put to death falls on Beis Din rather than himself.
Nothwithstanding that it is clearly G-d’s will that he die – nevertheless it is not considered his issue to take care of.
Can one not compare this to your question?
Definitely a troll post.
No shaychus to Eretz Yisrael. There it’s supposedly a Jewish state so allowing cars to drive on Shabos is a blatant Chilul Hashem. BP may have 100% Jews but it’s Goyish ground, goyish jurisdiction.
Come on – it’s so obvious.
There’s an expression I once heard was used by the Ibn Ezra:
‘Mah Sheyaase Hazman, Yaase Hasesechel’ meaning ‘Make your intellect do (for you) what (the passage of) time will (anyway) do.’
It’s very hard but it puts control of your emotional reaction into your own hands.
Hatzlachah Rabah.
The summer bein hazmanim is a relatively new thing, it used to be just Pesach and Sukkos to give time to the bochurim to get home in the days when there were no cars.
Yes if you add up all the Sundays that’s extra on top of a working man’s schedule but then don’t forget about Fridays…..
write or wrong: this time you’re wrong not write (sic).
You are sweepingly doing away with the concept of statistical data which aside for going against common sense, conflicts with all the ‘rov’s in the gemara which are statistics (ruba d’lesa kamon) e.g. most women give birth after 9 months and most animals are not trefos, most debtors don’t pay up before the loan is due etc. etc.
Aside for Odom Harishon giving up 70 years of his life for David Hamelech, I am not aware (but please enlighten me) of any other instance in Jewish history that this has happened.
Gedolim and Talmidei Chachomim have been sick before, Yaakov Avinu was sick, Chizkiyahu Hamelech was sick and many others recorded in Chazal. Yet we never ever hear of this practice.
I do not believe any true Gedolim endorsed this – especially not if it is publicised like this.
If I am wrong please prove it – we live and learn.
Aishes Chayil: That story is with R’ Akiva Eiger. But you got it slightly wrong. He told the man about the 2 ways as you said but the guy laughed it off, walked out and immediately dropped dead.
Maybe the story you heard was a more recent Rav trying to use the same threat.
Those men who spit and scream at women/girls are hypocrites of the worst sort. They protest on the pretext of standing up for the honour of the Torah but give no regard whatsoever to Issurim D’Oraysoh (Biblical Prohibitions) that they are likely transgressing.
1) Bal Tashchis – throwing eggs that are fit for human consumption is a blatant transgression of this Issur of wasting things.
2) Embarrassing a fellow Jew. The Torah states clearly that when you rebuke a fellow Jew you should do so in a way that does not involve transgression i.e. by embarrassing them. Chazal say that one who embarrasses another in public forfeits his right to Olom Haba (The World to Come)
3) Chilul Hashem – The actions of these men has caused people around the world and more devastatingly, non-frum Jews, to abhor the Charedi communities and lifestyle that these men purport to represent. Again, Chazal say that one who causes a Chilul Hashem forfeits his right to Olom Haba (The World to Come).
4) Bitul Torah – these people are wasting valuable time that they could be spending learning Torah.
5) Gezel – If they damage anybody’s clothes or possessions by throwing eggs or faeces at them they transgress the Issur of Gezel (stealing). Additionally, if they are enrolled in a Kolel and are being paid to learn and are taking time off to carry out these protests, then they are stealing.
Have any of these men given thought to any of these severe Issurim? Have any asked the Shayla to any Rav if their concerns over Tznius override these Issurim?
I suspect not as I do not believe any Rav would sanction their actions.
This is proof that these ‘Charedim’ are nothing but fakers who do not care about Hashem or His Holy Torah. It would not surprise me in the least if these same people who attack and harass little girls ostensibly out of huge concern for Tznius, have a secret Tznius-related problem (V’hamayven Yovin) for which they are over-compensating.
Ken – some of your words are cheating like Hoover and Sellotape. Those are just brands.
Using Artscroll to translate difficult and unusual words in the Gemara is fine. It’s no different to the Aruch or to Rashi’s translation into French. No point sitting around for half an hour wasting time (Bitul Torah even) breaking your head over a difficult word that you have never heard of just for the principle of not touching Artscroll.
But to use it as your main learning Gemara for an easy ride, well that’s different. That’s surely not what’s meant when we say ‘La’asok B’divrei Torah’.
when you can no longer think of 100 uses for a wire hanger……
when the thought of having Cholent on Thursday night, Friday afternoon, Friday night, Shabos day, Motzai Shabos and Sunday makes you feel sick…..
when you stop looking at your feet as you dance at a chasuna….
when you start learning R’ Boruch Ber, R’ Shimon, R’ Naftoli etc. to get a better understanding of the Gemara and not the other way round…..
when you no longer care how wide the ribbon on your hat is…..
Rachmana Litzlan.
The answer is that the main tachlis of the learning schedule in a Yeshivah is to teach boys how to learn, to hone their minds and give them the analytical skills necessary to understand gemara and rishonim properly. For this purpose the Yeshivishe mesechtos have been identified as best suited. Once these skills are properly developed, they can then be used all over Shas.
Otherwise instead of learning maseches Shabos as you suggested they should learn Hilchos Shabos.
Why is this only a recent phenomenon? Girls historically always entered the shidduch market at a younger age than boys. I can’t explain why but I have a feeling that the age gap isn’t the real problem.
I think it’s the change in attitudes. People were a lot simpler and less demanding of perfection. Boy and girl dated, liked each other and got engaged. Nowadays it’s a ridiculously arduous process with demands and expectations that previous generations would be bemused, puzzled and not to say disgusted if they could see it.
Sounds like you’re smitten. Be careful.
Ravshalom – yes technically correct but I was thinking of another town. I’ll rephrase the question. Which contemporary Israeli town within borders of Eretz Yisrael (that excludes Eilat) is mentioned in Tanach as a place outside Eretz Yisroel?
You can’t act irresponsibly and then say ‘it’s Ok – have bitachon’. If releasing 1000 terrorists creates a dangerous threat to Jewish lives then maybe it shouldn’t have been done.
There are halachos about Pidyon Shivuyim – it’s not a free for all, to-be-judged-by-emotion issue. I am very happy for Gilad Shalit and his family but in reality the complex question of Pidyon Shivuyim here should have been decided al pi halacha.
The Maharam MiRotenburg forbade his Kehila from paying a huge ransom when he was imprisoned for fear it would encourage further false imprisonment. He died in prison. He didn’t say ‘ Oh well – it will be Ok let’s have bitachon’ – he acted responsibly in accordance with the halachah. If I am not mistaken, his stance paid off and no Rov or Community leader was imprisoned again for a very long time.
I doubt it – there is an issur of doing anything on Shabos and Yom Tov which is Refuah.
In some places the law says it’s enough just to provide full details to the other party to avoid hit and run charges without having to wait for the police. So check out the law in your state.
Abelleh: Sorry, no – we don’t ask why or talk about morals – we just follow our orders.
See Mishna in Brachos Perek 5 Mishna 3:
‘Someone who says ‘Your mercy reaches the Kan Tzipor (the mother bird who must be sent away before her eggs are taken)’ – … we silence him.
Says Bartenura – ‘ Because he ascribes merciful intentions to G-d when they are in fact (simply) a King’s decree on his subjects.
Morality is dictated only by G-d’s command. Not by our puny intuition.
Prior to the mabul G-d disallowed it, afterwards He allowed it. It’s as simple as that.
Why was there a change? It doesn’t really matter but one could theorise that by saving all animals, Noach ‘earned’ the right for humanity to eat meat.
Two boys doing an essay being tested among other things on the correct usage of ‘had’ (past tense) and ‘had had’ (past perfect tense).
John, where Bill had had ‘had’ had had ‘had had’; had ‘had had’ had more than just 2 marks allotted to it, Bill would have scored higher.
Pba – amazing why didn’t I think of that?????
Hey – you know what – get this – I can make a sentence with (OMG!) 12 hads!!!!.
“Like this,” she said, “Had had had had had had had had had had had had.”
Actually no, just thinking – 12 doesn’t really make sense. 11 is Ok but not 12.
klugeryid: Giving someone the name ‘had’ is cheating. You may as welll give him the name ‘had had had had….’.
Can you get 11 ‘hads’ in a row gramatically correct without it being anyone’s name? The answer is along the lines of a school essay as per kluigeryid’s try.
Here we go:
I put up a sign on my store saying Fruit and Vegetables.
Then someone pointed out that there was too wide a gap between Fruit and ‘and’ and ‘and’ and Vegetables.
Now who can give me a sentence with 11 ‘hads’ in a row.
I think the main thing is to finish it by the time leining in Shul is over or at least before Shabos lunch.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
When asked for his view on Western civilisation, who answered?:
‘It’s a great idea’.
I vividly remember watching the South Tower collapse live on TV and saying to my wife ‘if the total obliteration of the ultimate symbol of the modern world’s obsession with money so quickly wasn’t meant as a direct wake-up call from Above, then what is?
Then it struck me that I had also just watched 1000+ people die in the space of a few seconds. I remember feeling very very frightened and wondering if we had just entered a new and unknown era.
The Torah emphasises again and again and again that we have Emunah because of what we saw en masse with our own eyes, Yetzias Mitzrayim and Matan Torah.
That is what differentiates us from the tens of other religions all based on what one person, or at best a few said.
We do not need to feel guilty about not believing anything else like talking fish or dancing mice or whatever else some Hispanic dreamt up no matter how convincing his story is or how many ‘choshuve’ people believe it.
Dvorak: Your point is a matter of contention between different Shitos. Some hold that Bitachon means believing that it will all work out well and nothing will go wrong as Hashem is taking care of things in the same way a child has innocent faith in his/her parents.
I heard B’shem Rav Matisyahu Salomon Shlita that life insurance is part of the Chiyuv of the Kesuba.
bein hasdorim: If there is no Mekor in Halacha for it then it doesnt’t matter who teaches it – it’s incorrect. With the greatest respect for their Avodas Hakodesh, since when are Cheder Rebbes to be treated as Poskim?