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November 2, 2011 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847674OfcourseMember
gaw, I agree that the only way to solve the problem is to encourage same age marriages and discourage older/younger marriages with gaps of more than 2 years.
Everything else, is a poor attempt at a band-aid for a difficult, but operable, tumor l”a. Aint gonna help much, if at all, unfortunately.
OfcourseMemberhEALTH, Most won’t because it limits the couple’s child-bearing years!
Gimme a break. People have kids every two years, I believe thats the average. I think most people are happy with 8 kids. Thats not a small family. Thats doable even if the girl gets married in her mid to upper twenties. If she gets married at 30, it might be tragic (sarcastic), perhaps she’d only have 5 kids.
OfcourseMemberQueen B, Are guys okay with marrying girls older than them? Or is that seen as a big turn-off?
Realistically, is the divorce rate any higher among couples where guys married same age or older girls? I havent heard anything like that. Are these couples staying together despite being turned off? I dont think so.
OfcourseMembershower, who said HASHEM wants to go along with your takana
Who said Gedolim who have given a Bracha to guys who marry their age or older, have the right to suggest guys do this as a way to please the One Above???
Perhaps we ought to start ignoring these Gedolim. I think not!
November 2, 2011 2:13 am at 2:13 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823999OfcourseMemberapushatayid, Any concrete suggestions from the esteemed members of the CR to help facilitate the setting up of older singles
Its not pushat! There are so many people who honestly do their best trying to set up older singles. There just arent enough guys for all the older girls. The ratio of older guys to older girls is very far from what would be needed (1:1). This issue is very difficult or impossible to reverse.
OfcourseMember“Why can’t a girl broaden her search and look for the sincere boy who is not interested in sitting and learning but wants to none the less build a frum home”.
There are many who do!!!
I know many nice girls who are eager to marry working boys, either college educated or not, and in the non-Chassidish world, there are many more girls than guys. The problem is similar even with non-learning guys.
Thats not the solution at all. Its a numbers problem.
November 1, 2011 1:27 am at 1:27 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823992OfcourseMemberplaid, I wouldn’t be surprised if girls, especially older girls/girls who society deems “undesirable,” just leave this system and go to…….
Its happening…….
November 1, 2011 12:44 am at 12:44 am in reply to: Older Guys = Rip-off Rant (re: NASI "Game Changer") #822853OfcourseMemberAgreer, at 26 I cant believe your parents were able to influence you about a life-long decision, despite you having bad vibes. At what point did you decide that this marriage has no hope, as opposed to you seeing advantages and disadvantages of marriage to him, and choosing to go ahead, as a 26 year old young adult. What tilted the scale?
I know of many divorcees (not all) who regretted their marriage and then regretted their divorce.
Hatzlacha, whatever you decide.
October 31, 2011 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823990OfcourseMemberapushatayid, Thanks for your response to my comment:
Each of them can only marry one girl.
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Just wait until the next game changing concept is unveiled to the public.
Im laughing so hard, Im crying. Oy. NASI, I thank you for that!
October 31, 2011 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823983OfcourseMembermirboy, “let them have the wedding in the backyard, but at least there will be a wedding”.
There wont be any more weddings than previously. There are only X amount of guys available for each girl in her upper twenties. Each of them can only marry one girl.
October 31, 2011 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823980OfcourseMemberSo, great, now hundreds of Shadchanim will have the names of thousands of girls all over the place (not happening anyhow- no one is paying up front). W H E R E are they going to get more guys than they had previously to fill the need? Shadchanim always had way more girls than guys.
I think this new Nasi idea is DOA!
OfcourseMemberInteresting question- may I add the below instances, which B”H apply only to a very small percentage of the frum community, but….)
What about:
those who keep Shabbos and break the law or
those who keep Shabbos and commit other acts that bring about Chilul Hashem or
those who keep Shabbos and are molesters, or
those who keep Shabbos and cheat on their spouses, or
those who keep Shabbos and cause pain to others,
and the list goes on…
are they “on the Derech” or “off the Derech”?
October 31, 2011 2:39 am at 2:39 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823969OfcourseMemberI think this ship is sinking real quick.
October 30, 2011 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823963OfcourseMemberPlease do not make older singles out to be girls who sit on their overflowing bank accounts and have $13, 000 to throw around. That is a gross mirepresentation of reality.
I agree with above.
There are loads of girls who have little or no savings at 30, despite working, because they spend/travel to compensate for loneliness. You cant blame them. If I was 30 and single ch”v, and saw that ad, Id go on a huge spending spree, Id be so depressed.
I wonder if they got a feel for public opinion before they went ahead and publicized this brainstorm.
October 30, 2011 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823956OfcourseMemberThis would be much more palatable if EVERY frum couple that gets married, would donate X amount towards this need. Possibly a percentage of the wedding costs- everyone knows that giving Tzedaka on the day of the wedding is a good idea, and possibly sign something to do their best Hishtadlus to match single friends. Then everyone would gain in the end, and Hashem would gain Nachas from us iyH.
October 30, 2011 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823949OfcourseMemberThis was mass public wounding and humiliation of older girls and their parents. Its not only me. Me being satisfied is irrelevant.
OfcourseMemberAgreed! Lo Zu Haderech! We dont want to further wound the already wounded. Yes, we ought to help, but not involving further pain and public embarassment. We have to rethink this, with a public apology, because otherwise Nasi will have lost its respect in the public eye (this is coming from a hard-working Shadchan, btw).
Yes, and please continue on the other thread.
October 30, 2011 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823946OfcourseMemberIts about as ugly as if Hatzolah would have put in an ad like this:
Hatzolah amendments:
From now on, if you want proper professional care, pay in advance as follows, based on complaint:
Chest pains $50,000
Broken bones $25,000
Excessive bleeding $20,000
Stomach ailments $10,000
Hey, no complaining! Wouldnt you give away your last penny for proper care? You wanna die or something?
October 30, 2011 6:05 am at 6:05 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823943OfcourseMemberThis ad should have had a disclaimer in bold print:
Not meant for older Bais Yaakov and other teachers anxious to find a Shidduch, being that they get their meager salaries months later and cant afford those sums. Too bad on them!
October 28, 2011 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823913OfcourseMemberAttention all:
What if Nasi’s finances are mismanaged, and the people who never got a Shidduch, lose all their money? Can someone guarantee it, at least something like FDIC insured? Otherwise, no one will jump!
Im a Shadchan, and I think $3,000 is enough payment for a 30 year old girl’s Shidduch. Why does it have to be $13,000? Im nauseaus too! Ive done Shidduchim and have been made to feel guilty for complaining about a $100 check!
October 28, 2011 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823884OfcourseMemberThe feedback Im getting from older girls mothers’ is nausea. Theyre getting more depressed.
October 28, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823878OfcourseMemberHas AZ spoken up about this yet? I loved Nasi’s ideas, but this- I dunno….
October 28, 2011 1:00 am at 1:00 am in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #823869OfcourseMemberFor girls aged 22 they will receive $5,000; 23-$6,000; 24-$7,000; 26-$9,000; 28-$11,000; and for any girl 30 and older $13,000.
Girls on the list will be given contact information of all shadchanim participating in the program.
To get on the list a girl or her family sends in the exact amount of shadchanus money correlating to her age plus $500 to cover the costs of the program. All money is guaranteed and is available for return upon request at any time.
When a young woman gets married the money will be given to the shadchan immediately after the wedding.
Under the guidance of Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbanim NASI has been working over the past number of years with the sole purpose of trying to have as many older singles in our community get married. Their previous initiatives, a number of which have included monetary incentive, have been met with much success.
OfcourseMembercshapiro, you got me curious who cuts well for $100. Please come back. Looking forward.
OfcourseMembercherrybim, ha ha. I think we all remember that well…
cshapiro, waiting for your reply.
OfcourseMembercshapiro, the cuts were $100 each? BY WHOM? Please share. Are you happy (and are you a very easy to please type)?
OfcourseMemberI just bought a wig for close to $2,000 that I hate (I dont want to mention where), so proceed with caution.
The best wig I ever bought was from Cathy who used to be on 42nd street, nr 16th Ave in a house in BP. This was about 8 years ago. Shes no longer in business, as far as most people know. None of her old customers who Ive spoken to, know where she is.
OfcourseMemberand even have a sheitel for over 11 years and still in good condition.
Wow!
Why hasnt anyone above mentioned where theyre getting Sheitels that theyre happy with (place of purchase and who cut it)?
October 12, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am in reply to: SHIDDUCHIM! (Because we all really want to talk about it) #820700OfcourseMemberI cant believe what I read in the original post.
From my perspective as a Shadchan, with very few exceptions, despite the guys remaining in a Yeshivish atmosphere and many of the girls leaving it, I see the girls as much more truly temimusdik and ruchniusdik and less materialistic than the guys.
Does anyone else see it my way?
OfcourseMemberIf only someone had a serious answer.
I guess my answer is:
Find one good friend/role model to let it all hang out to, and then:
Make the best of it and never let them see you sweat, because no one likes a crybaby, and no one benefits anyhow, not even the one crying.
OfcourseMemberFor those who have FB accounts, post link to petition there.
OfcourseMemberI liked the article.
Id like to add-
From my involvement with YU-right wingers, I can say that they are at least as aidel and Torah-dig as other right-wingers. Theyre Real McCoy through and through and not learning because they’ll do better Shidduchim or because its the tradition in their circles, etc. They really want to be Marbitz Torah.
OfcourseMemberWith the textaddiction, this might solve the Shidduch crisis and get more guys to get married quicker…..
October 7, 2011 5:09 am at 5:09 am in reply to: Rebbetzin Esther Baila Schwartz says bad news can be harmful to your health #815601OfcourseMemberFerd, whether you agree or not, when someone hears scary news, constantly, it affects them negatively and most of the time they cant help the situation, other than saying Tehillim, which they can do without hearing bad news non-stop. Many of us have become news junkies/addicts since the popularity of the internet. I think she has a point. How can we be thankful to the RS”O, and function well and happily in our lives, when we’re constantly bombarded with news of wars, death, terrorism, scandals, etc. and the focus becomes whats wrong with the world, rather than whats right. They dont report the good stuff. Thats boring.
October 7, 2011 4:09 am at 4:09 am in reply to: Rebbetzin Esther Baila Schwartz says bad news can be harmful to your health #815598OfcourseMemberDr S, she says more than just bearing bad news, being aware of bad news (as in checking Yeshiva World), is harmful to the psyche (especially for females).
October 4, 2011 4:15 am at 4:15 am in reply to: Byebye dems, 2012! Who wants Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency? #813916OfcourseMemberaries, I mean post-clean-up, to see the fruits of the Republican’s labor, more jobs/less unemployment, etc.
October 4, 2011 1:56 am at 1:56 am in reply to: Byebye dems, 2012! Who wants Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency? #813913OfcourseMemberI wonder how long it will take, after a Republican wins (I think its a given that a Republican will win), to notice a difference in the economy.
OfcourseMemberYUNGER, What does he know about this, or is he just ignorant?
and why is he willing to destroy his reputation among Jews and chance of anything big politically for his entire future? This is a biggie!
Whether he blames himself or Obama, they blackened both their names among Jews.
September 20, 2011 2:05 am at 2:05 am in reply to: I need a cleaning lady in BP. (Its way before Pesach ; ) #811068OfcourseMembera mamin
I am also desperate for a good cleaning lady! I’VE HAD A DIFFERENT CLEANING LADY every week FOR THE LAST 10 WEEKS!! I really need help!!
Seems like you have a steady source. You must be doing something right.
September 19, 2011 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm in reply to: I need a cleaning lady in BP. (Its way before Pesach ; ) #811065OfcourseMemberWell if I have to settle on good, how do I get one?
I just heard of a friend’s cleaning lady getting caught on a home surveillance camera taking money out of a drawer and putting it in her pocket….
September 19, 2011 3:53 am at 3:53 am in reply to: Kitchen sinks in the corner (of L and U shaped kitchens) – pros and cons? #810613OfcourseMemberThanks I reaally appreciate the input! I think Ill probably do corner sinks then.
Also, in the design of my “U” shaped kitchen, the cooktop with hood arent exactly centered in the absolute center of the “U”. It would be a few inches to the side of the center. This is what you’ll see first when walking into my kitchen. Does that look ugly? Ive been told that if they center it perfectly, they have to put fillers (dummy wood) in and Ill lose cabinet space. What have others done? Im one of those that like everything symetrical, but need every inch of cabinet space.
September 15, 2011 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm in reply to: How to search for assets/bank accounts of a deceased childless relative? #809749OfcourseMemberpba, gladly!
September 15, 2011 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm in reply to: How to search for assets/bank accounts of a deceased childless relative? #809745OfcourseMemberHe was discovered dead in a motel room, and he was the type who hid everythng well. No one found papers of any importance. We know he had lots of money though. Family was notified that his ex-wife who he divorced many many years ago, is looking to change the status on his death certificate from divorced to married. That tells us that she definitely found something somehow.
September 14, 2011 2:50 am at 2:50 am in reply to: How to search for assets/bank accounts of a deceased childless relative? #809742OfcourseMemberyungerman1, thanks, but theres got to be a better way. There has to be specialists in this area.
September 13, 2011 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm in reply to: How to search for assets/bank accounts of a deceased childless relative? #809741OfcourseMemberAnyone have any ideas?
OfcourseMemberMiddlePath, beautifully stated!
How do we multiply the many different types of “good guys” to satisfy the needs of the many more (quantity-wise) “good girls”?
September 8, 2011 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm in reply to: Is there a reliable and easy (pref. free) way to search police/arrest records? #807270OfcourseMemberAll Ill say is a naive relative is involved with someone who people have said is shady with a history.
OfcourseMembermikehall12382, whether the girls marry learners, learner/earners or working guys, the disparity in numbers exists, creating supply and demand issues, bringing swellheadedness into the picture. Irrelevant!
swellheadedness aka: arrogance, assurance, boastfulness, boasting, bragging, conceit, conceitedness, egocentricity, egomania, gasconade, haughtiness, insolence, megalomania, narcissism, ostentation, overconfidence, preoccupation with self, presumption, pride, self-absorption, self-admiration, self-confidence, self-importance, self-interest, self-love, self-possession, self-regard, self-worship, selfishness, superiority, swellheadedness , vainglory, vanity, vaunting
OfcourseMemberclever, You might just need to be a little bit proactive or step outside your comfort zone!
Narishkeiten! Im a Matchmaker very familiar with all crowds from Yeshivish to Modern Orthodox. Girls raised in a Bais Yaakov environment can do everything in their power, and then some, to gain interest of YU/Sterns type guys, and it’s a Bracha l’Vatoloh! Unless they want to go to the extent of giving up Shabbos and Kosher Ch”v, they have the same competition and are faced with the same disparity in numbers! Dream on!
OfcourseMemberYWN Ed and Mods: Is there any forum where the issues I brought up on this thead, that were not allowed, can be brought up?
Trust me,they were NOT fabricated.
No
So many young women, with the best of intentions, in such pain and nothing to do about it. So sad.
Yes, it’s sad
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