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March 4, 2011 4:06 am at 4:06 am in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747330OfcourseMember
AZ, arent we both in agreement that due to the cradle robbing marriages (big age gaps), and guys thinking/knowing that they’ll find a Shidduch sooner or later, older girls have less chance of ever marrying? The more age similar marriages there are, the less there will be older girls who will never marry ch”v?
OfcourseMemberIf its only compliments the Mods get (doesnt sound right to me), why are they interested?
Compliments arent Mitzvos, and they dont pay the rent.
March 3, 2011 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747323OfcourseMemberAt 28 a guy has dated 5 years. The equivalent of a girl who is 24. I agree, guys start at 23, some girls wait until 20.
33 is simply a condervative estimate of a guy who has dated 10 years. (if he started 23). And plenty of guys who are single at 33 end up married (unlike the girls who are single at 29). I agree.
I don’t reallly care if singles date for a while before they get married (though it’s nice if it happens quick). The goal is they should be married. I agree.
You stated rather stay single then marry- please support that statment. My point is that there are lots more singles than ever who go on for years looking for perfect, and sometimes they end up commiting (usually the guys, they have whom to commit to, because of what I wrote below), and sometimes they dont.
I can confidentially state that for the girls who have dated 10 years and are still single it is far far worse than it ever was.
For the boys there is no data to support that. I guess what it boils down to is that the guys, more often than not, can afford to be pickier than the girls, bec after a while girls run out of older guys to date, and guys dont have that problem, because they can simply rob a cradle, which girls cant do.
March 3, 2011 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747320OfcourseMemberAZ, I have spokne to MANY MANY shadchanim and they do NOT find that there are far more boys who are single 33+ then in the past. So I for one think you hypothesis is far far off base.
Whats with the number 33 by the way? At 28 most guys have dated HUNDREDS of girls, if they started at 23.
Neither of us can offer studies complete with statistics. Are you saying that 20 years ago, there was anywhere near the percentage of single guys 28 and up? Seems like we’re in different circles (or perhaps a different planet).
OfcourseMemberInteresting thread.
What do the Mods get paid?
Whats the ratio of males to females?
Do they get interviewed in person?
About how many hours do they each put in?
Do they know one another?
How many are there?
March 3, 2011 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747309OfcourseMemberAZ, I have no statistics, nor does anyone, pro or con, but ask any Shadchan and Im pretty sure they will agree that there are more singles who are extremely inflexible Shidduchwise, in a wide variety of areas (some valid, mostly vain), than ever before.
March 3, 2011 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747303OfcourseMemberHealth the attitudes and Haskafahs that they have instilled in the single person have now permeated that guy/gal and that’s why they can’t settle.
No way, not what Ive seen and heard. After 25, and especially after 30, after their being out in the world, singles have a mind of their own, and couldnt care less what parents say or want (unless maybe theyre the minority who are teachers in the frum school system)!!!
March 3, 2011 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747295OfcourseMemberShrek, I agree, but this thread doesnt address those singles who are being rejected, it addresses those who are doing most of the rejecting, with a list.
Health, I dont think its family and friends. By the time the single is 30 the parents and friends are d i e i n g for the single to get married, in the cases I see. They’re tired of looking for Mr./Miss Perfect.
March 3, 2011 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm in reply to: Did anybody see the anti-semetic Christian Dior designer? #746724OfcourseMemberaries, true!
March 3, 2011 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm in reply to: Did anybody see the anti-semetic Christian Dior designer? #746720OfcourseMembermdd, the degree of Hitler’s hatred of baalei toeiva can be debated, but he certainly wasnt in love with them. By comparison, Galliano clearly said “I love H!” y”s.
OfcourseMemberSomeone once recommended eating radishes for congestion, also drinking pineapple juice.
March 3, 2011 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm in reply to: Did anybody see the anti-semetic Christian Dior designer? #746716OfcourseMembermdd, Ofcourse, it is not true. He hated the Jews the most. As far as the ba’alei toeva go, he personally did not care so much.
Personally? Afaik, what he said, was rule!
This is from Wikipedia:
….Ruediger Lautman believes that the death rate of h’s in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. H’s in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors.
March 3, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm in reply to: Did anybody see the anti-semetic Christian Dior designer? #746705OfcourseMemberGalliano was obviously so drunk he forgot that he lives an alternate lifestyle, which Hitler y”s hated just as much. He would have been killed just the same.
March 3, 2011 1:11 am at 1:11 am in reply to: Tips for passing a Road Test in NYC other than Davening and knowing how to drive #747023OfcourseMemberHows Laurelton in Queens?
Someone told me that Long Island is better than all the boroughs in NYC. The inspectors are much nicer, more relaxed.
Thanks for the tips!
March 2, 2011 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747287OfcourseMemberlightitup, I have a friend who her list is someone deep, gentle, thoughtful, connected to G-d,sweet and sincere. These are character traits she claims she cant do without and feels attracted to. Is it possible she may end up with someone who is not that?
Has she ever met anyone who was all those things? If yes, then there’s a possibility that she’ll find that in a spouse. If her idea of those things is so specific and she’s never met anyone who has all those qualities, exactly as she wants to find them, who knows….
OfcourseMemberblinky, Thanks! Looks like despite being nervous, you did NOT freeze and feel like a deer looking at approaching headlights, when the examiner got into the car.
People tell me men examiners are easier. I know someone who failed a few times with women and passed with a man.
March 2, 2011 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm in reply to: Rather stay single than marry someone who isnt what they envisioned……. #747280OfcourseMemberyaff80, I agree, like my mother a”h used to say- “Nor a Shtein zul zein alein” Only a stone, should be alone. Stones dont have hearts, feelings…
Btw, longevity rates are higher for married people.
I dont think anyone should marry anyone they would be unhappy with, but I think older singles have to analyze why there’s that many criteria that HAVE to be met, with no flexibility in so many areas.
OfcourseMemberapushatayid, I doubt the average yeshiva guy knows Coach flats from a Coach bus.
Not if they have huge “C”s all over them! Then they’re V E R Y noticeable shoes, not a bus.
OfcourseMemberbomb, “‘bais yaakov’ look = Coach flats?
Which ‘bais yaakov’? Located where?”
and here is where kinnah starts…
What kinnah? You can get Coach imitations all over New York for cheap. Either way, it’s not a BY look. Its a wanna-be look. In my eyes, a BY look is relatively plain flat or heeled pumps. No logos. (I used to be very wanna-be. These days, once in a while, I wear old stuff with logos that I dont have the heart to throw out).
OfcourseMemberCute.
‘bais yaakov’ look = Coach flats?
Which ‘bais yaakov’? Located where?
March 1, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm in reply to: Derogatory labels and typecasting in Shidduchim #745784OfcourseMemberAm I the only one who knows quite a few cases like that? (I know many singles W E L L who were looking for either quiet or lively, got the opposite and are very happy.)
March 1, 2011 2:35 am at 2:35 am in reply to: Derogatory labels and typecasting in Shidduchim #745783OfcourseMemberShrek, Im not a Posek, but I know many singles W E L L who were looking for either quiet or lively, got the opposite and are very happy. Had someone disuaded them from dating, that match wouldnt have materialized (my marriage included) 😉
February 28, 2011 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm in reply to: Derogatory labels and typecasting in Shidduchim #745781OfcourseMemberIm not talking about covering up for serious issues, I’m referring to people who are negative simply because they dont like the person being asked about, or the person isnt their type.
Shrek, The opposite! People have become so afraid of loshon hora that they don’t give out meaningful information.
Meaningful??? Where do we draw the line? If someone isnt to our liking personality-wise, do they have a “meaningful” issue?
observanteen, I’ve a close relative who married a girl who REALLY wasn’t for him, and ppl KNEW what he was looking for.
Were there dates involved? I imagine were talking about Litvishe people (mostly), in the CR.
we must ask a rav before giving info (especially if you know s/he has issues).
The above descriptions arent emotional or physical “issues”, in my mind. Are they in yours?
OfcourseMembergoq, possibly you’re in a funk because you suspect most other people arent. With all the crises these days, there are more people in a funk than not…..Hope that helps.
February 28, 2011 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm in reply to: Shidduchim�how to get your name out there? #977042OfcourseMemberWhen a girl or boy has been in Shidduchim for a while, they often get a shem from others, like:
quiet,
dumb,
selfish,
materialistic,
boring,
loud,
no common sense,
not serious to get married,
no personality,
no sense of humor,
too choosy,
thinks they’re it,
nebby,
weird, etc.
and that unfortunately lessens their chances of getting people to work for them.
I heard that there was a Shiur lately discussing this issue.
The wagging tongues offering these descriptions kill!
February 28, 2011 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm in reply to: China or Glass Dishes used for Mishloach Manos- need Toiveling? #1014148OfcourseMemberIm curious what places like Oh Nuts does.
OfcourseMemberwaiter1, someone who knows him told me he’s so humble he calls himself Mr. Carlebach.
February 28, 2011 4:40 am at 4:40 am in reply to: China or Glass Dishes used for Mishloach Manos- need Toiveling? #1014145OfcourseMemberOk, definitely, I will ask my Rov iy”H, because Im considering buying china dishes for Mishloach Manos.
BUT, Im pretty sure that I saw china and glass dishes in Oh Nuts with chocolate directly on it. Are people allowed to eat food that was directly on a non-toiveled dish, or were the dishes toiveled?
If anyone here is in the food industry, they might know what the halacha is. Perhaps it’s clear-cut.
February 28, 2011 1:47 am at 1:47 am in reply to: Where s the Kever that people go to (Upstate) for Hatzlacha in Shidduchim? #744918OfcourseMemberI think I got it (its 6 hours away from NYC, in northwest NY)
Rebbe Eliyahu Yosef Rabinowitz
yon // Feb 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm
February 28, 2011 12:58 am at 12:58 am in reply to: Where s the Kever that people go to (Upstate) for Hatzlacha in Shidduchim? #744917OfcourseMemberUpstate NEW YORK!!! (Def not Israel). I heard of a few people who went and cant remember who.
February 27, 2011 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm in reply to: Where s the Kever that people go to (Upstate) for Hatzlacha in Shidduchim? #744908OfcourseMemberpb, no the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s tziyun is in Queens. This is way upstate somewhere (further north than the mountains).
OfcourseMemberDY, you cant fight success! Over the years, Ive heard of certain people giving Brachos for certain things and their success rate is unbelievable.
February 27, 2011 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm in reply to: Where s the Kever that people go to (Upstate) for Hatzlacha in Shidduchim? #744906OfcourseMemberalways here, is there a Tzadik always there (until Tchias Hamaisim)?
February 27, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm in reply to: What were they giving out at Zisalek on 13th Avenue today? #744632OfcourseMemberI dont get it- there are no CR members who frequent BP or BPers?
Any opinions on Zisalek yet?
OfcourseMemberIf the couple can do it without relying on programs and shtick, now or later, and it wont negatively affect Shalom Bayis (because both are low-maintenance), then its fine. Realistically, at some point, many get into trouble financially and have to beg and borrow from others.
February 27, 2011 5:52 am at 5:52 am in reply to: Describe the classiest Mishloach Manos you got #744767OfcourseMembercanine, ok, the communities where people spend 1500+ a head on Pesach vacations (and there are lots, based on the many pages of advertisements with locations throughout the globe) have to give potato chips and popcorn. Thats smart budgeting!
February 27, 2011 5:17 am at 5:17 am in reply to: Describe the classiest Mishloach Manos you got #744765OfcourseMemberchayav, you got the wrong person! I like mine to look like I put loads of effort into it and like I spent money but I DONT! I often get the stuff from 99 cent stores, but with a little thought and good taste, they look classy.
Tell me if Im wrong, but the days of adults giving potato chips and popcorn is over, no matter where you’re from.
AND Susie Fishbein cookbooks with all the elegant and time/resources costly recipes arent only sold in Brooklyn.
Soooooooorrrrrry! Let’s not be BOROUGH-BIASED here!
I laugh to think that s o m e Brooklynites might spend a couple of dollars on Shalach Manos, but a very very small percentage of Brooklynites spend $1500+ a head on elegant “keep up with the Kleins and Grosses” Pesach vacations!!! ROFL!
OfcourseMembercanine, Ofcourse, you make a very good case for girls to marry long before age 21.
Are you kidding? Girls’ parents set up dates for their daughters way ahead of Pesachtime for when the daughters are home for a month from Israel in their Sem year! They’re fearful and want their daughters to have a head start. Everyone is scared (rightfully so) of having an “older” girl.
OfcourseMemberindividual, some of the best and life changing experiences that I will cherish forever happened to me after I was 21 and single.
I’ve seen many girls who’ve had life changing experiences 21 and older and single, and they were mostly BAD to very BAD!
OfcourseMemberAZ, what might have changed that the girls dating 15 years ago did not have an age gap problem, but todays girls do?
IMHO 15 years ago the guys werent as fussy as they are now, with a list of specs a mile long. So when a guy started dating 15 years ago at 23, he most often married within the first year. These days many guys still find Mrs Right within the first year of dating, BUT MANY MORE THESE DAYS DONT, leaving leftovers of many hundreds of older girls, because of the younger girls willing to go out with guys many years their senior (20 y.o. girls dating 27, 28, etc y.o. guys). I think there are a lot more cradle-robbing guys these days, than 15 years ago.
OfcourseMemberFor all we know, there might be CR members who arent Shomer Shabbos, trying to get acquainted, or…..
February 25, 2011 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm in reply to: Who do you perceive as the happiest person you know? #744992OfcourseMemberThose who offered people who they thought were happy/satisfied, from what you know of them, do you think they were always this way, or did they work on themselves?
OfcourseMember1- Anything planned for or ongoing in Brooklyn?
2- How are Shadchanim being made aware of names and info of all older girls, or are they only being encouraged to try harder for the older girls they already know? Whats going on behind the scenes?
February 25, 2011 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: Who do you perceive as the happiest person you know? #744987OfcourseMembercanine, “have the main ingredients society views as those that most people strive for in life”
Society is messed up. Don’t use it as your guide.
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canine, you’re 1000% right!!! I guess I can change it to:
Do the people you perceive as happiest (or among the happiest), have the main ingredients society SHOULD view as those that most people SHOULD strive for in life?
OfcourseMemberdunno, I’d have loved to hear how bills would get paid. Interesting though, because 75% of Lakewood wives have some sort of a college degree these days.
The way I see it, with rare exceptions, b’derech hateva, ain somchin al hanes, its either winning the lottery, cleaning office buildings at night or similar, college, or dependence on every program out there, which there will be less and less of as time goes on.
February 25, 2011 5:12 am at 5:12 am in reply to: When will Supermarket at old Friedman's location (BP) open? #744138OfcourseMemberNo, no fire, not enough business.
OfcourseMemberThese days, ALL women work to be able to pay bills, and possibly save, whether their husbands learn or work. It’s not only women who are married to learners, who are working. And why are the offices where the Chassidish girls work (who dont go to college, and whose husbands are working) any better environment-wise? Work is work. There arent enough teaching jobs for everyone.
February 25, 2011 4:22 am at 4:22 am in reply to: I baked cupcakes for the first time today…… #746900OfcourseMemberobservanteen, you make Babka and you’re a teen? Wow, I know middle aged women that dont know how to make Babka, with yeast, rising, etc. How old were you when you learned? How did it come out? Can you provide the recipe and tips?
February 25, 2011 2:37 am at 2:37 am in reply to: Shidduchim�how to get your name out there? #977029OfcourseMemberStart with your relatives, married friends and community Shadchanim, and ask them to think for you. The better people know you, the more they’ll want to put the effort in and the easier it will be for them to describe you to others.
OfcourseMemberAZ, I dont think haros is all that unique. While the Shidduch crisis definitely hits girls harder, I really think we are suffering from a SHADCHAN-LESS CRISIS!
S’iz nisht du mit vamen tzu redden! You cant get a single publication to print a regularly updated list of Shadchanim. Only Hashem knows why. Most Shadchanim suffer burn-out after a year or two, after expending huge effort with little or no results, and less and less people want to get involved.
READ MY LIPS-
SHADCHAN-LESS CRISIS!
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