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“there’s always a first time and there’s always a last! “
Hey, I don’t like the second part of your sentence..;)
I do read the other threads but haven’t seen your poem. Where is it?
observanteenMemberThanks Princess.
jmj: Wow. I don’t think it’s laughable at all. Glad I posted it:) Hatzlacha Rabba!
observanteenMemberI wanted to take part in this game
But to my utter shame
The word ‘portion’ came out lame:(
But before you go and blame
Look – you’ve done the same!
Why, there’s an ‘n’ in my name…:)
observanteenMemberPrincess: Your letter nearly moved me to tears. You seem to be such a warm, caring person with deep insight. Somebody I’d love to meet.:)
I’m a counselor at daycamp and as I mentioned before, there’s a girl who has a pretty close relationship with a boy. I ended up having a private talk about it. I wrote the following unsent letter to her:
Dearest Sarah,
I should’ve written some time ago but I couldn’t muster up the courage to do so. I’ve pushed it toward the far end of my mind and tried hard not to think about it. But today, I’ve been overcome by an urge to write. I’m not sure I’ll ever send this letter to you. I might talk to you straight to face, or perhaps do nothing about it. But now, I’m writing to calm my frenzied nerves.
Sarah, when you see me everyday at daycamp, what do you think of me? You probably see my frum levush and think, “this kid knows little about what’s goin’ on in the outside world.”
Well, unfortunately, it’s not quite so. Life isn’t as simple as it seems. My lifestory is pretty sad and would probably surprise you. But Baruch Hashem, I’ve overcome many obstacles and I’m presently on stable ground.
Life has taught me an important lesson: Whatever you do, however small and petty it may seem at the moment, has a MAJOR impact on you. This is NOT something to toy and play around with. You are playing with fire. You are slowly entering a very dangerous zone from which few come out unscathed.
Sarah, I’ve come to warn you. As your counselor and as a friend. I a care about you. I don’t want you to suffer in the coming years. Believe me, it may seem like a lot of fun. But the ramifications, Sarah, are very, very painful. The emotions and feelings are flooding you making you feel like a time bomb about to explode. You feel lost and alone. You just feel like…You’ll never survive. Like your life will always be miserable and sad.
Sarah, please, please. I beg you from the bottom of my heart: prevent this from happening!
Cut off your friendship with him. Hey, that’s so easy to write out. But it’s hard. I know. Sarah, in my life I’ve made many decisions. Believe me, they were hard. Torture. But I’m still grateful today that I’ve done the right thing.
I’m not sure which parts of the letter you understood now and what you’ll understand in years to come. Life’s full of surprises and hardship. Why bring more pain unto yourself?
I hope and daven that you should never know of any pain or sorrow.
Wishing you hatzlacha in whatever you do,
Yours forever,
Observanteen
observanteenMemberTomorrow’s Torah potion we’ll be laining
observanteenMemberseeallsides: Wow, thanks. I’m working pretty hard to “shteig in my midos”, and it’s NOT easy. You really gave me a lot of chizuk by saying that. You are right – this is my past. I don’t dwell on the past and rarely read those letters. I just took them out to post it.
miritchke: Your letter truly touched me. Why wouldn’t you send it to her? IMHO, it doesn’t seem too harsh. Hatzlacha!
observanteenMemberaries… Ouch. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I didn’t see it that way. On the contrary. I thought that two mature adults who know the ins and outs of both AND are talmidei chacomim will CIVILY debate this issue. I figured we’ll nominate people who DO respect and tolerate others. I don’t think there’s anything wrong in debating without bashing or calling names. I thought it was a nice thing… But again, maybe I’m wrong.
observanteenMemberAlways runs: Just to give you some chizuk. My sister’s in-laws kids were terribly wild. Especially one boy. One day, he heard his neighbor telling his son, “don’t play with Moishy. I don’t want you befriending such a wild boy.” He was very hurt. Time passed. Little Moishy grew up and turned into a great masmid and talmid chacham. As a bochur, he got a phone call. It was bein hazmanim and that neighbor who told his son not to be friends with him, BEGGED him to learn with his son – he’ll even pay him!
My cousin was also terribly wild (threw out the window crytal glasses etc.) and is now a dayan.
May this be the tzar gidul banim for you!
observanteenMemberI think mod 80, WIY and Daas Yochid all qualify to represent the UO.
And if I may vote for the MO (although I’m not MO), I think charliehall would do a good job.
Can’t wait for the debate to start… Seems pretty exciting!:)
observanteenMemberPrincess: Wow. How powerful. Glad to see you decided to post your poems:)
observanteenMemberWow, thanks gal… I didn’t send the letter because it WOULD harm her. As I said before, she’s emotionally unstable and really struggling. Our relationship was extrememly unhealthy (we were veeery close). Therefore, my thoughts mean a lot to her. And this letter is pretty caustic.
Momammia: I hold onto those letters, but keep them safe in my drawer. The reason I keep them is so that I should always be grateful for my current good life. I don’t ever want to forget how afraid, sad and alone I felt back then. I don’t want to forget where I’m coming from. I always want to understand those who are struggling even if my life has pretty much settled down b”H (although life’s never easy). I don’t always have the emotional strength to read those painful letters, but when I do, they certainly help me grow.
observanteenMember“Actually you do not focus on such details at first unless needed.”
This is exactly what’s bothering me. Why ARE we discussing such details?
“For the more learned, knowing what is Biblical and what is rabbinic is part of the beauty of Shabbos.”
That’s very nice to discuss with your chavrusa. But to put it on a public forum where anyone can read it is inapropriate.
observanteenMemberOkay, I’ll start. I wrote this one to my ex-friend (I’ll call her “Leah”), whom I dropped after realizing how emotionaly and spiritually sick she is. (I wrote it after hearing from one of my friends that she awaites my reply to a cruel letter she had sent me.)
Leah, I was surprised to hear that you’re awaiting my reply to your letter. This goes to show that you’re not “totally okay” with dropping you, as you claimed.
To me, it seems as if you still have the hope deep down tha you’ll revive this “friendship” one day. Well, I’m sorry, but forget it. I am absolutely better off without you, as I’m sure you’ve seen for yourself. I’m happy, confident, VERY close to Hashem and got many “new” friends.
Leah, I must say, I really pity you. (Although it took some time to get over the anger and really pity you.) I don’t think I’ve ever met anybody as unfortunate as you. In fact, I don’t think it’s your fortune, but rather YOU. You rreally aren’t aware of the good world out there. And the sad part is, you don’w want to admit it exists! All you want is drown in a sea of depression and self-pity. You enjoy it! You don’t want to HELP yourself.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t have the koach to get involved in your life right now. I don’t know where you’re up to in Yiddishkeit right now, and I don’t care. Because YOU don’t care about yourself. I know you’re mad at me because I dropped you after you started keeping shabbos – and you did it solely for me.
Well, you really make me laugh. I also recall now that you ate for my sake.
Leah, it’s YOUR life. Do with it as you please! If you’re so stupid to think that you’re keeping shabbos for ME, then…I don’t know. If you want to lead the other type of life – go ahead. Nobody’s stopping you. You know fully well the truth. You know that there’s NOTHING there. And you know that you’ll be punished severely for your every aveirah. I KNOW that you know that. Unfortunately, Mrs. _____(her mentor) is still fooled by you. She thinks she has to “explain” everything to you. But I know that you’re smarter than that. You and I know the truth: You know what’s right. But you still have a choice. I won’t be held accountable for your actions. You will. So don’t you think you’re threatening anyone by saying you’ll do who-knows-what. The only one you’re hurting is YOURSELF.
My point in writing was not to make you aware of your status in life, nor to prove that I’m happy.
All I did, was fulfill your wish: sending you a letter.
With a happy and carefree heart,
Observanteen
observanteenMemberJosh: How do you show them the beauty of Shabbos by saying that texting on Shabbos is “only” a Derabanan?
observanteenMemberYes, mod. Thanks. There’s one issue though that I didn’t think is fit for the CR. IMHO, romance is not something to be discussed publicly. Yiddishkeit is about tznius. We have ahava veachva sholom vereius – we have it all. But we don’t publicize it. This was what bothered me.
I’m glad I’m not involved with things like TV and movies anymore. Why discuss it in here? To be honest, you’re right about the internet. I shouldn’t be spending my time in here. But unfortunately, there are few with whom I can share my thoughts with being that I’m very frum but I know what’s going on out there. (Most of my acquantances are either very sheltered or struggling with their Emuna and Yiddishkeit.) My parents need the internet (filtered, of course) for their business and they allow me to read the CR. But I’m afraid that if topics like TV shows, movies and theaters will become everyday discussions, they won’t allow me to continue being a member:(
August 8, 2011 12:58 am at 12:58 am in reply to: Halacha Discussions, Obscure Heteirim, and the Modern Orthodox #795483observanteenMemberThanks 80. I greatly appreciate your sensible post.
observanteenMemberpba: Thanks for clarifying. I think that the way you just phrased it is pretty much ok. For some reason, your OP in the other thread is much more inapropriate(as far as I saw it). I still think though that it’s a bit…unfit (for lack of a better word) to seek ahavas Hashem in goyish romantic songs. In any case, I wasn’t saying that you approved of tv, movies etc. I just pointed out that this is what the CR has become of late.
observanteenMemberReally? So what were you trying to say in the other thread?
observanteenMemberI appreciate your open mindedness and sensitivity, Popa.
It’s just that sometimes, I feel like I totally don’t fit the bill to be posting in here. We don’t own a TV. I don’t watch any movies. I don’t text on Shabbos. I don’t listen to goyish music. All of my male relatives don’t stare at shiksas (and if any of them c”v do, I don’t know any of it). I don’t go on Facebook, twitter etc.
I can’t tell you exactly what’s wrong with your thread. I suppose it’s just a sensitivity. I think that you should show affection to your spouse privately, betznius. Isn’t that what Yiddishkeit is all about? I know my parents love each other. How? Because they RESPECT each other. They show us, the kids that they value their spouse’s opinion/shitta etc. They are mechabed one another. Isn’t THIS beautiful? Isn’t this the right way to show your love publicly? Also, I fail to see why we should listen to goyish music to bring us closer to Hashem.
I hope I didn’t come across too strong. If I did, I ask for mechila. It simply pains me to see that I might have to leave.
observanteenMemberWell, I can’t change your opinion. But I do think you have to stick to your name… Otherwise, I’m afraid the CR isn’t the right place for me. I really enjoy spending time in here, but if my hashkafos are at risk, I guess I’ll have to take my leave eventually. Which is sad. I was glad there was one chat room that does cater to the frum oilem, but I guess I’m mistaken:(
observanteenMemberReally, mods. I wonder how long it will take until this CR will once again deserve the name “Yeshiva World”. Why are there still threads such as “Romantic Songs”? Do I have to come to the Yeshiva World to read stuff like that? A number of people have written on this thread that they disapprove of such discussions.
Please stick to your name. Thank you.
I agree with popa on that thread. Perhaps the editor will disagree and take it down.
In any event, it seems like a valid discussion.
observanteenMemberAbsolutely, WIY. Which is why she didn’t name any of her kids that.:)
observanteenMemberMy cousin had a grandmother named “Gela Beechel”. She says it’s “yellow pages”:)(Yiddish)
observanteenMemberI admire your strength. You seem to be a solid stable person. Perhaps SHE doesn’t deserve that. Hopefully, your right zivug will.
observanteenMemberWow, that’s very painful, MP. I agree with AYC. I think you should focus on moving on with life, instead of worrying about HER future (which is nice of you…TOO nice IMHO). Good luck!
August 7, 2011 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm in reply to: Levi Aron Wasn't Religious – Ate Non-Kosher (McDonalds) #796022observanteenMember“unfortunatly that is not the case…there are too many examples of child molestors that are “ehrliche”.”
That’s right. I take back my first statement. After hearing yet another story of an “ehrliche” molestor, I see that there’s absolutely NO ONE we can trust. SIGH.
observanteenMemberGood! So happy to hear. You can definitely do it along with your other treatment. She simply guides you on how to think positively and she gives you the tools to deal with life. And this is THE cure. Their service is WONDERFUL. They treat you with such respect (they called me up after a while to ask how it’s going…) Please keep me posted. Thanks!
Have a wonderful, peaceful and great Shabbos!
August 5, 2011 5:02 am at 5:02 am in reply to: Levi Aron Wasn't Religious – Ate Non-Kosher (McDonalds) #796000observanteenMemberI think it does make a difference. Simply because, this goes to show that an ehrliche yid wouldn’t do anything like that. I think it can somewhat restore a bit of our trust in ehrliche Yidden.
observanteenMemberWow, sounds like a major challenge. But I don’t think it’s worth dying for, don’t you think? Why do you think you’ve got NOTHING to live for? Who’ll keep this thread alive??:)
The program is for depression as well, although it might night be sufficient enough. Perhaps you’ll also need a coach. But I’d suggest you try the program first.
Good night! Thanks for sharing your problem with us. Good luck! Hatzlacha with your new job! (Who knows, maybe it’ll be even better than the original one..)
observanteenMemberOh, no. I’m so sorry to hear that. If you’re really serious, GET HELP FAST! Call up your therapist. DO SOMETHING! Please, please, for your sake and for all of us…Get help. I hope the program will help you. And PLEASE keep us posted. You’re getting me REALLY worried! Let us know if you calmed down. Thanks. Good night. Sweet dreams (and a sweet life)!
observanteenMemberThanks for responding. I was beginning to get a bit worried… I really hope things will get better for you.
Here’s the info: It’s called The Midwest Center for
Stress & Anxiety. The founder is Lucinda Bassett and the Medical Director and co-founder is Phillip H. Fisher. The cost isn’t $800 (my mistake), it’s around $300-$400. You can visit them at http://www.stresscenter.com, or phone them at 1-800-944-9460. IIRC, there’s a return policy if you aren’t satisfied.
Good luck. Hope things will work out for you. Please let me know if there’s any change and if you ordered the program. Thanks! Hatzlacha Rabba MEOD!!
observanteenMemberThanks to all who agreed.
Lomed Mikol Adam: Yeah, and look at the results. 50% of their teens are texting on Shabbos r”l.
RSRH: I’m part of the “others” you describe who must understand why they’re doing something. Anyone who’s got a little depth won’t just follow rules and regulations (especially since the world out there is pretty tempting)without questioning their beliefs. However, once your belief in Yiddishkeit is solid and firm, there’s no need to question and go into such detail. The Rambam wrote the sefer Morah Nevochim which is chakira and few feel safe learning it. Unfortunately, we’re weak and the Yetzer Hora is strong. We can’t afford to dig up questions in every area. Honestly, I never thought texting on Shabbos was muttar (not that I was always a tzaddekes, but I didn’t DREAM it was permissible!). And when I started reading through the “heterim” a thought crossed my mind, “Y’know, perhaps it’s not THAT bad.” After that, I stopped reading it. I realized how vulnerable I am. And I thought I was strong!
If you bring it up to discuss, you do give it legitimacy. You make a statement that there’s something to discuss. Why, if you really truly believe in Hashem and in Matan Torah, why do you need proof? Why do have to UNDERSTAND that it’s assur? I finally got out of the dark hole of depression, confusion and disbelief. Now, that I’m finally stable and love and fear Hashem, I don’t need any more questions rocking the boat.
observanteenMemberPrincess: You’re very welcome. Glad it helped you!
blabla: How’s it going? Hope things are better by now. Still davening for you!
observanteenMemberblabla: Glad to hear you calmed down. Although I truly care and daven for you (had you in mind while davening shacharis), I’m all of 18 years old. I’m not a certified therapist who deals with issues like yours. B”H, I’m stable, but I still struggle a bit with the remnants of my anxiety.
Fortunately, there are many, many good therapists out there who do know how to deal with this. All I can offer is chizuk, advice based on my experience, encouragement and compliment on your beautiful poems:)
What I WOULD suggest though is that you order the Program for Attacking Anxiety and Depression. It isn’t that expensive ($800) and it really really helps you get out of the depression – but you have to be willing to make a lot of changes and work real hard. If the CDs in itself don’t help, they can provide a coach. I can give you more info if you’re interested. Meanwhile, keep posting and keep strong!
observanteenMemberblabla, I’m really off to bed now, but I had to respond to your poem. Firstly, it’s beautifully written (as are the others you wrote). Second, please remember that Hashem has NEVER and never will abandon you c”v. You’re his precious daughter who for some reason which we cannot fathom has to go through some hardship. Third, please get yourself the right tools to deal with the pain and your struggles. Listen to CDs that are comforting, empowering and soothing (I think you can get a heter to listen to music if it calms you). I listen to Lucinda Bassett director of the Midwest Center for attacking anxiety and depression whenever I’m stressed out or experiencing anxiety symptoms. (I will listen to them tonight since I had a small incident which made me really edgy. Thanks to her, I have the right tools to deal with everyday challenges.)
And last but not least, please do continue trusting people! Don’t follow everyone blindly, of course, but BELIEVE IN HUMANITY. Most people are nice and caring – just look at the comments above! Just because one rav betrayed you (not that I know what the matter is, so I can’t really judge) doesn’t mean you can’t trust ANYONE.
Good night, hope sleep will calm you somewhat…:) Hatzlacha rabba meod! Layla Tov.
observanteenMemberYeah, I meant this thread. I know what you mean about having a hard time writing when there’s a whole lot of emotions twirling around… Hope they’re joyous and happy emotions! At first, I didn’t either feel comfortable sharing my writing with people I don’t know, but being that I feel even MORE uncomfortable sharing it with people I DO know, I decided to put up my writing. So far, I didn’t regret it. Hope you change your mind!
blabla: Since I haven’t a clue as to what happened, all we can give you is support. But I think you should try getting guidance. Ask for help. I don’t just mean going to your therapist. Ask someone you truly trust what you should DO. Take action. Sitting over it makes you feel worse and makes the situation even more painful and helpless. I really hope things will get better. Please do let us know. I’ll continue davening for you.
Middle: Unbelievable. So encouraging! I wish I knew the tune… Thanks for posting this!
observanteenMemberThanks Princess:) I always loved poetry and never really left this thread – I always had to check out the new ones:)
I don’t really have the time to write although I do from time to time when I’m overflowing with emotions. How ’bout you? Haven’t seen you writing in here for some time…
CallMeDave: Amazing. I love the rhyming. Powerful.
observanteenMemberWow, ICOT. How inspiring. Thanks.
observanteenMemberIt sounds like you’re really lost. Why don’t you talk to a friend, mentor or anyone who cares with whom you can share your terrible “incident” (for lack of a better word)?
I don’t see why you can’t write another letter to Hashem. Write how absolutely mad you are. But please look for a solution to solve your problem. Meanwhile, I’ll daven for you. Hatzlacha.
observanteenMemberGlad you’re back! Hope you’ll continue visiting the cr.
observanteenMemberOkay then… I guess I don’t understand. But Hashem’s our Father, and He definitely understands your pain. Why don’t you write a letter to Him? I know it sounds crazy, but I did it when I felt no one understood. Write to Him how frustrated you are. Tell Him how upset and confused you are. Ask Him why He’s doing this. Just get it out of you. Good luck!
observanteenMemberNo. We should prevent anti-seimitism by making a kiddush Hashem by following the laws of the country and show that we are loyal and grateful to our malchus shel chessed.
And of course, use our powerful weapon: tefilla.
observanteenMemberHang in there, blabla. I know what it’s like… Please hold on tight! It’ll pass, believe me. You’re a sensitive, caring and good person. Keep strong. Hope things get better – SOON!
observanteenMemberWe’re in galus. We’re not allowed to revolt against the goyim. All we can do is daven and better ourselves so that moshiach should come.
observanteenMemberYossi, do you remember “ames”? If so, do you also remember why all of her posts were deleted?
observanteenMemberhuh?
observanteenMemberAdorable, we miss you in here. Hope everything’s ok…(Any good news coming up?)
observanteenMemberNo one special: Good question. I stopped reading the texting on shabbos thread since I think it borders on apikorsus. I don’t really comment too often anymore, simply because the crowd in here has veered to the left and there really aren’t too many people who are part of the “Yeshiva World” anymore. (Most of them either left or are lurking.)
observanteenMemberQuark: There’s something I don’t really understand. Why do you have the urge to get the approval of us frummies? Why do you post your views time and again hoping we will approve of your way of thinking? I, for one don’t need your approval. Which is why I refrained from contradicting you and try to “prove” that my point of view is right. But now, I’m just curious. Why do you care what we think or do? Why are you desperately trying to get us to tell you you’re right?
BTW, It’s amazing how the abnormal, unhappy, twisted frummies write with such dignity and respect while you seem to enjoy bashing them and calling names.
And for the record, I wasn’t always one of the “frummies”. And I can tell you it was THEN when I was unhappy, twisted and abnormal.
observanteenMemberDon’t bother chein. It’s a waste of time. I’m sure there are more sensible people out there who appreciate your comments.
(btw, are you new here? Seems so, since looks like you don’t really know how things work in here:))
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