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Sheigetz: Okay, okay. S-O-R-R-Y. You’re right, I shouldn’t be stating something without checking it out first. BUT, I don’t think I was THAT off track, was I?? I didn’t get the chance to ask a rav (wedding tonight), but, I would appreciate if YOU would. You don’t have a mekor that it’s Muttar, do you?(Oh, and please don’t quote a MO Rabbi as your Mekor.)
Sorry again:(
To build the foundation of your life. These are the crucial yrs that forms a person. It’s hardest to decide which goals to set and which path to pursue.
First Daven that Hashem give you the Daas to see what’s right. Second, ask Daas Torah. I’m sure they’ve already heard of a case similar to yours.
looking2grow: Wow, that’s a tough one. I really admire you for wanting to improve ur tznius. I don’t think any of us can pasken correctly, since we are not exactly rabbonim. I heard that you’re supposed to wear four inches below your knee. The point here isn’t inches though. Bottom line: your knees must be covered at all times. If two inches isn’t enough, then phrase your shaila this way. Say it doesn’t really serve the purpose.
Hatzlacha in whatever you do!!!!
?? ?????? ?????. Mytake: You may be right. I’m not sure. It says that they “painted their eyes” (sorry, couldn’t get the Lashon Hakodesh in place). Whether it’s eyeshadow, eyeliner or mascara – I’m not sure. I’ll bli neder try checking it out today.
The Coservatives have rabbis too. You gotta make sure he’s going Al Pi Halacha.
MyTake: I really gave this thread some thought today in school. I was wondering if it made any difference in your way of thinking. I must say, I’m STUNNED!!! I really am thrilled that you’re doing the right thing!! You’re AMAZING!!! Oh, and I LOVED the way you said it’s for your future husband. That makes a lot of sense. I think that when the time comes, you should tell your husband about this… He’ll appreciate it!
Keep strong!! Hatzlacha!!
Yogibooboo: Don’t you think the Chofetz Chaim was “too machmir” on Lashon Hara?? Why do you think tznius is extreme?? Regarding eye liner: THIS IS THE ISSUR DEOREISA. NOT a chumra!!! The Navi Yeshaya stated that the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed because of this!
And BTW, Rabbi Falk is extreme to YOU, YOU’RE extreme to Coservative Jews, and THEY’RE extreme according to the Reform Jews. IT’S NOT A MATTER OF EXTREME. IT’S A MATTER OF HALACHA. You’ve gotta ask yourself, “What’s the RIGHT thing to do??” NOT, “What do I WANT to do?” This is what Yiddishkeit is all about, isn’t it? You gotta do what’s right, right? Right.
“on her spending 9 months in israel partying.”
You’re right about the finances, but, I doubt anyone’s going to sem to “party” (although you’re allowed to have some fun too, but that’s not the main focus). Just like bochurim need a yeshiva to shteig so do girls. There’s nothing wrong with a girl who doesn’t go to sem, but, it’s a nice year that prepares you for life.
OK Then: Well said!
Cshapiro: Those things don’t come flying through the window, y’know. We’re all here to work, aren’t we? Just like you wouldn’t get kavana while davening without working, so is the feeling for tznius. Hashem created women with a feeling for tznius, but, as the years go by, it kinda fades away. We have to work hard to retrieve it. Try hanging out with ppl who respect tznius, listen to shiurim, and most of all ACCEPT what rabbonim say isn’t tzniusdik. They can still look at it with a Torahdike Blik, cuz their yetzer hara isn’t hard at work like with us.
Wow! What will this thread look like in 30 yrs?? All of us teens will be a bunch of old foggies saying, “Oh, remember those HUGE Blackberries? And remember how our doorbell whent Ding! when someone was at the door?…”
I’m allowed to go online, but, we have a filter, and my parents know which sites I visit, like Matzav, YWN etc. Besides, I’m NOT willing to sell my neshama for some dirty forum. I’d rather be stiff bored than ever doing that.
Yogibooboo: Rav Falk is in fact VERY down to earth and “Tzum Zach”. He states the HALACHA, and NOT assumptions.
Oh, and no, I don’t wear nail polish. I think it’s really not tzniusdik. Although a light natural color is probably not assur according to halacha. But, my instinct tells me it’s not the right thing to do.
Cshapiro:Wow! I really admire you for throwing out your jumper. What courage! It really is amazing. Keep going!
Hey, this is funny. I had a wedding last night where it was hard having my knees totally covered at all times, and I debated whether I should open a thread in here about this issue. My friend gave me some chizzuk. Here’s basically what she said:
There is halacha, and then there’s something called “giving a look.” It’s the halacha that our knees be covered AT ALL TIMES. When your skirt covers your knees but, it just “looks short”, well, that’s when we’ve gotta use our Binah Yeseira Hashem has granted us.
Y’know, tznius is just plain using your senses. We had a bochur at our shabbos table this past shabbos, and I felt uncomfortable serving the men while he was there. I wouldn’t have felt that way a year ago or even a few months ago. It’s all about keeping your eyes open. Before putting on a short skirt, think: “What would any bochur/yungerman think when he sees this? What kind of thoughts will cross his mind? How can I be responsible for this??”
And of course, keep in mind that Lefum Tzara Agra. The harder it is, the more Schar you’ll get. Hatzlacha!! (For me too…)
Nervous as anything!! Remember: everything’s bashert. Just Daven. HATZLACHA RABBA!!!!!!!!! MAY ALL OF US TEENS END UP WHERE IT’S BEST FOR US!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
Daas: Ooooohhhh. THAT’S what I call lomdus.
My friend’s family will never turn down a chessed project. Be it a party, going to a ger/BT’s wedding (where there are few attendees), they would do ANYTHING for their fellow Jew! (Her mother won’t pick up her clothing she sent to the cleaners even if they provide delivery cuz, “I’ve got a car too. Why take advantage of others?) It’s wonderful to see that it rubs off on the kids too…
You’re right. We shouldn’t be doing this. I’m sorry. I mean, it was real late last night when I wrote what I did. I didn’t mean to pick on you, I was just curious. I’m sorry if I hurt you. I would appreciate though if you’d stick to one identity.
aqua blue: Ever read School For One? I’m not sure who the author is, but, it’s gr8.
Every Man A Slave by Sender Zeyv
Captive Soul by Shoshana Schwartz
In Full Bloom by Shoshana Schwartz
ABSOLUTELY LOVE ‘EM!!!
Chayav? You’re not exactly sticking to the rules of the game….
And Daas: I don’t get it. Where does Monah Rosenblum come into the picture???
Yeah, sure. Oh, and while you’re at it, why not thank the president for the Health Care Bill and Stimulus Package?? He sure is going out of his way to please the Americans as well as the Jews, isn’t he? He LOVES Israel, doesn’t he? Listen to me: He’s a black muslim who WON’T FREE POLLARD. He’d rather free terrorists in Guontanomo Bay (Uh…. eclipse? C’you help me with the spelling? PULEEEEEZ! Just this once, okay?).
LMA: True. But, it still is hard to know exactly what one’s hashkafas are. You’re right about the fact that ppl feel free to write what they think, but, it’s a great risk. Y’know, what if their hashkafos AREN’T comapatible, and they meet? Besides, there are many shidduchim forums out there. Why not stick to coffee?
Ummmmm… Well, I’d probably take two girls, a boy, two girls, a boy… I’d need two girls to help me manage every boy. Oh, but, I don’t know what it’s like to have kids. Doesn’t sound like a picnic to me… is the amt. and pattern the only stuff that concerns you, parents? If so… then, sounds like fun:)
No. Chayav, you THAT bored?
How ’bout changin’ it to THE CLOCK HAS STRUCK TWO (TWENTY)??? Why aren’t you calling it a night yet Mods?
I talk without end, and my funny side is revealed. And of course, I fall asleep during class. My classmates were having fun one day and the teacher was yelling at the top of her lungs. Finally, she shrieked: “Girls! Quite down! If not for me, at least don’t interrupt observe’s sleep!”
Coke: Was it anything in particular that made you change ur mind?? I’m really sorry u feel hurt. Did you just join the CR? If you did, well, I did too, a short while ago. At first I was also getting offended when ppl dissagreed with me. I soon got used to the fact that ppl come here for a break and yes, their language is a bit loose. Don’t take it personally. Nobody meant to hurt you. And if it was me who hurt you, then I’m really sorry. But I think it would be nice if you would forgive us all. We’re not THAT bad, are we? Gut Voch! Good Luck!
I use Proactiv and it’s gr8!! Try it!
Deyezooger: Ooops. Sorry. I just skimmed throught your post and thought u were talking about copying CDs 4 others. Of course ur allowed to copy ’em for yourself.
Wow, I can’t believe you CR members!!! As far as I’M concerned, it’s TOTALLY ASSUR to copy a CD without the producer’s permission. A producer invests a LOT of money in a CD, and, in MY book that’s absolutely considered stealing. It SAYS on EVERY CD copyright!! Really, where do you take the heter from???
“Cocacola- my kids watch Uncle Moishy. Terrible, huh?”
I think the discussion is about secular movies, isn’t it?
Mod 80 LOL. Perfect parody. So perfect, in fact, that I’m wondering whether anyone else here chapped that you’re not serious or stupid.
“Now, next question, any reason I/we should or shouldnt consider going back 20 years post-experience?”
You can learn from your mistakes. But, dwelling on hurtful memories won’t do you any good. It’s a skill that takes some time to learn. You gotta forgive others as well as yourself. In my life, I’ve made MANY mistakes. I used to dwell on them over and over again – which of course made me pretty upset. I finally learnt to let go of them and move on with life. Of course I make sure not to do them again, and I try learning from my mistakes. I’m still young and I’ll make some more mistakes in the yrs to come, won’t I? Also, ppl are HUMAN just as me and you. I’m NOT justifying their actions (I personally don’t understand how that happened in a frum shul), but, maybe try being Dan Lekaf Zechus. And YOU’ll make sure to teach YOUR kids to do what’s right! Hatzlacha!
This is their mehalach. The Litvakes were always the great Talmidei Chachamim – no-nonsense ppl (ex: The Vilnar Gaon).
Chassidus OTOH, was created for the pashut ppl who weren’t too great in Torah. The Baal Shem Tov started this movement to get the Hamon Am to be frum in spite of their ignorance. In order to win them over, they did it in a simchadike fashion. (There were great chassidish tzaddikim too, of course, but, this is the reason why the movement started.) Therefore, the chassidim are to this day “varemdik” and “lebedig”.
If only I would have mor self-control I’d go to sleep right now, YAAAAAWWWN:o