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October 29, 2009 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665266NY MomMember
Esther: Thank you so much for bringing this up! I agree that not everyone seems to be so aware of the fact that some tops are a little too open at the collar.
There is a handy little invention for just such a situation. It’s called a safety pin. I sometimes make use of it and it works very well! 😉
Or sewing a stitch on either side of the collar is also a very useful trick.
Or another possibility is a shell. IMO, that is a good use for a shell.
October 29, 2009 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686340NY MomMemberjphone: That must be the same Zeidy’s bakery that I mentioned in this post. I must have gotten the Jersey location wrong. Their stuff is the best!
anon: I just googled “white whole wheat flour” and you are right! It is 100% whole wheat, just made with a different variety of wheat. Very interesting!
October 29, 2009 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686338NY MomMemberanon: Hmmm, I have never heard of white whole wheat. If it’s “white” whole wheat, doesn’t that mean that some percentage of it is white flour?
NY MomMemberMazal: That is an way to look at it! Very well said!
Pookie and Tamazaball: Great suggestions!
October 29, 2009 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665261NY MomMemberThank you, Mod 80.
I really am grateful.
And to quote a familiar phrase, “If I see something, I’ll say something!” – er, I mean, let you know via email.
NY MomMemberThere is an increase of divorce in the Chasidishe oilam, too. Who says it is lower or higher? Are there statistics to prove this or a quote from a someone “in the know” regarding this?
It may also be that divorce is more of a stigma in the Chasidishe communities and that may prevent unhappy couples from actually divorcing.
October 29, 2009 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665254NY MomMemberLooking back, I can see what you may have been talking about, Mod 80. Maybe some of us are being a little too specific in our terminology. I am trying very hard to use discreet language when describing things in this sensitive area.
Ladies: Maybe we can all make an effort to be a little more circumspect in our language? Would that help?
October 29, 2009 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665251NY MomMemberMod 80: I really would like if this thread could remain open. Have we written anything improper here?
October 29, 2009 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665250NY MomMemberHi Bemused! Thank you for your post!
I do know there are others out there who, while they may not contribute themselves, appreciate and gain from this thread. I was getting a little lonely, though, and I don’t want to be the only one writing, because then it may seem that this is a one-woman deal.
So thanks again for speaking up!
October 29, 2009 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665248NY MomMemberquestion: If you are talking about the long straight stretchy skirts (often black), it really depends on how it fits you. As any other article of clothing, if it’s too tight, of course there is an issue. If it’s looser-fitting, I have no problem with them.
NY MomMemberartchill: Abusive husbands?
I know several divorced fathers/men. Why are they always being bashed? Are you saying that women do not share some of the blame for the divorce?
NY MomMemberMazal: I think the main idea is just to VOTE – and not even for whom you vote.
If the electorate sees the Orthodox Jewish community as a strong constituency, they will take our demands/needs seriously. There are so many frum people who do not vote, it is terrible! It really weakens our political power and the influence we have on any issue! And especially one like funding for our schools, which is so important to us!
NY MomMemberYoshi: Are you really going to run in the NYC marathon? Hatzlochoh! I heard that there will be several Jewish groups running including Team Ohel and Soveya. There will even be a shacharis minyan at the runner’s village.
October 29, 2009 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665242NY MomMemberCome on, ladies! Anyone else want to share their difficulties or struggles?
You may really help others who are just reading (you lurkers know who you are!) by describing your problems and issues.
BTW, mepal, you really made me think when you wrote about your frustrations when shopping for clothes. I am sure there are so many others that share those same feelings. I know that I do! If anyone does speak up to the shop owners about this, please let us know how that went, and what the reaction was to your comments.
NY MomMemberartchill: + Societal influences ie: the “Me” generation, our “disposable” society, the What’s-in-it-for-me attitude, false expectations of “romance” and “falling in love”, the expectation of immediate gratification, etc.
October 28, 2009 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665241NY MomMemberJewess: May it be a zechus for you.
NY MomMemberYoshi, you are so right! I have a relative who smoked for 40 years or so. Sometimes when I would see him, I would tease him, warn him, cajole, etc. about his smoking. His answer was always, “Leave me alone! It’s my life and I want to enjoy it!”
I never thought that he would EVER stop smoking.
Well, he developed a cough that wouldn’t go away, and he went to he doctor. The doctor warned him he had better quit smoking for the sake of his health. The warning and that cough scared him. And he quit! I couldn’t believe it!
You know, years later he began to have heart trouble. His doctor told him that it was a good thing that he quit smoking, because he would be in much worse shape if he were still smoking.
So you are totally correct. If the person doesn’t really want to do it, nothing will help. Only when a person really makes up his mind to quit, will he be able to overcome it.
October 28, 2009 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665238NY MomMemberJewess: I know that was a real nisayon and I have so much respect for you. To quote someone we know, “seriously awesome”.
Yoshi, Thanks so much! 😉
October 28, 2009 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665234NY MomMemberquestion: Thank you and welcome to the CR! Enjoy!
Yes, I have seen those signs too. If I recall, they also remind you to have in mind that you are fulfilling the mitzvah of tznius when you are buying a tzniusdike garment.
NY MomMemberIn yesterday’s news there was this story about a 2-yr-old who was seriously injured when his father ran over him, unintentionally, when backing up his vehicle, r”l. Today there is a report that he is B”H doing better.
We should all learn from this tragic incident.
Naftali Tzvi ben Nechama should have a refuah shelaimah min hashamayim.
October 28, 2009 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665231NY MomMemberThanks for the support, SJS 🙂
NY MomMemberI know the person personally. It is not a story that I heard. B”H the person is still religious, still gives tzedakah, will still get a brocha from a Rav, but…it affected him.
NY MomMembermybat: Yes, it is sad.
I am not against going to a Rav/Talmid Chochom/Rosh Yeshiva for a bracha, but people who claim to do nissim – that is very dangerous.
October 28, 2009 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm in reply to: Tznius Support Group PLEASE WOMEN ONLY, even reading #665229NY MomMemberSo to get back on topic, and to revive the thread, I like to tell you about something small, yet positive.
This morning after I had just gotten dressed I took one last look in the mirror. The skirt I had chosen was long, but it was a bit too tight in the seat. I have kids to get up and out in the morning, and I was just going to let it go, maybe change it later. Anyway, it’s raining in NY today so I’d be wearing a raincoat when I left…
I decided to change anyway. How many minutes does it take to change your skirt?
So until I “lose a few” I am going to relegate that skirt to the back of my closet. Gives me an incentive to get more in shape!
NY MomMemberI know someone whose young son was diagnosed with cancer. He went to a Rabbi and he gave a nedavah. He was told by the Rabbi that his son would have a refuah shelaimah. Actually he was told that he would dance at his son’s wedding.
His son died.
What do you think that did for this man’s emunas chachamim?
NY MomMemberbein_hasdorim: I really agree with what you just wrote. (Your post #2 in this thread.) I don’t have children in shidduchim, yet, but be”H I think that is how I will conduct myself with my sons and daughters. Of course, it depends on the individual, so if one child’s needs are different, that must take precedence. But your general philosophy is very practical!
NY MomMemberSince you post under a male name, and I post under a name which indicates a female, I will just say “Happy Birthday to whoever was born on this day!”
October 26, 2009 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686333NY MomMemberanonowriter: Is it really “100% whole wheat”? Usually, that makes it very heavy and dense. I usually see whole wheat challah recipes call for a certain % white flour mixed in. (Often 1/2)
NY MomMemberhavesomeseichel: I just found out the exact details at my sons’ Yeshiva, and I assume it is similar for other Yeshivas. Boys in 7th and 8th grade are required to be there for minyan at 7:30. They then have breakfast and begin learning bet. 8:45 and 9:00. I do not have HS kids yet, but I am assuming that their schedule is similar. Younger kids are allowed to travel on school bus transportation provided by the city, for them it is not an issue.
If the Yeshivos would start at 8 or 8:30 that would be the same time as the PS, 8:15 – 8:30. The Yeshivos are different. The point is they do, in general, travel at separate times than the PS kids. Also, PS kids get out at 2:30 – 3:00, so traveling home is NOT in conflict with PS dismissal for the boys or girls.
NY MomMemberBTW, as mentioned above by Mezonos Maven, Is the problem most pronounced in the morning, when the PS opens? Most Yeshivos and BY’s have different dismissal times than do the PS’s.
They do have different dismissal times and they also have different start times. PS usually begins at 8:15 – 8:30, while many Yeshivos start at 9:00. The older boys have to be there for minyan, usually earlier than PS start times. The older girls get out 4 – 4:30 while the older boys stay later than that, 5:45 or so, or even later, depending on the night.
NY MomMemberoomis1105: Very insightful!
When I first read the OP, I could relate to the issue, because I have children who travel that way. And on the first day he used the city bus, my son came home and said, “Mom, you should have heard some of the words being used on the bus! There was a bunch of kids talking really loud and whoa!…” Well, I began to re-think my decision to allow my children on the city bus.
But then, I thought again. Obviously, it was not the first time my son ever heard those words. Neither I nor my husband speak that way, yet my children are familiar with that type of phraseology. It seeps in, no matter how much you try to keep it out.
And yet, B”H, my children do not speak that way.
They have learned to deal with it in an appropriate way. They can be aware of it, hear it, and choose NOT to engage in the same behavior! They know they are different, and what they see and hear in the world out there just emphasizes that difference to them!
You know, I am more worried about what they learn and hear from their friends in Yeshiva than I am about what they hear on the city bus. Really, I mean it! C”V one of their friends convinces them that smoking is cool, or they decide that the guys who get drunk on Simchas Torah are cool. That is a much more likely scenario.
So my kids still travel the city bus, but now I’m OK with it. I have tried to educate them and continue to try to be mechanech my children to the best of my ability. And that, with Siyata D’Shmaya, is all I can do.
NY MomMemberobamanaz: Why don’t you email/call Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck regarding what you wrote above. Those 2 don’t seem to back off these type of controversial topics. Even if emails go ignored or unread, if you call into their radio shows, you may get some air time. This is just the type of stuff they love to talk about.
If you can talk about this subject as well as you write about it, I think you can get your point out there on their syndicated radio talk shows.
NY MomMemberOr you should say a small piece of the puzzle, or “yad Hashem” in history, is revealed.
October 26, 2009 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686328NY MomMembersmartcookie: Sounds similar to Ezekial bread, which was inspired by sefer Yecheskel. It is made by a company called Food for Life, and has a Chof-K pareve hechsher. You can get it at health food stores. Very healthful – and tasty, especially toasted.
October 26, 2009 4:05 am at 4:05 am in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686319NY MomMemberBest bagels anywhere – The Original Brooklyn Bagel on Nostrand Ave
October 26, 2009 3:25 am at 3:25 am in reply to: Where Do You Buy Your Challos For Shabbos?! #686315NY MomMemberA relative of mine who lives in Passaic, brought some delicious bakery goods from a bakery there called Zeidy’s. (I think that was it.) I have tasted baked goods from all over, and Zeidy’s stuff was sooooo amazing! I didn’t taste their challahs, but if they ever open a store in NY, I am so there!
One word: Scrumptious!
NY MomMemberHere is an article re: this proposed legislation.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/
NY MomMemberICOT: I hate to disagree with you, but this is just one piece of a very alarming puzzle. This administration and leaders in the Democratic party have also expressed interest in the so-called “fairness doctrine”. They are also proposing legislation which would give the would give the president “emergency control” of internet!
This is scary stuff, people!
NY MomMemberSo to get ourselves back on topic, I’d like to mention the following as winter comes creeping in and everyone is turning on their heating systems. Carbon monoxide (CO) is produced whenever any fuel such as gas, oil, kerosene, wood, or charcoal is burned.
Carbon monoxide poisoning is a silent but deadly danger.
Every home should have Carbon Monoxide Detectors. They are widely available in stores and you may want to consider buying one.
Hope everyone has a healthy and safe winter!
(Based on info from the US EPA)
NY MomMemberYes, it very frightening what the Obama administration is trying to do. He wants to intimidate and silence all his critics, so that he can implement whatever policy he wants, with no regard to the wishes of the American people. Everyone should put pressure on their representatives to vote for policies which will help rather than harm their constituents.
And what about his silence on what is going on in Iran? His dangerous hesitation regarding sending more troops to Afghanistan? His ineffective “stimulus” bill, which was just political payback for his supporters?
He is going to go down as the worst president in American history. Even worse than Carter, if that is possible.
NY MomMemberTorahMom: First of all, welcome to the CR! Enjoy!
Secondly, I agree with you wholeheartedly. What a common sense point of view! Yiddish is nice to know, but if this is not a language which a person is familiar why link it to comprehension of such an important subject? If you want to require the students to learn it then teach it as a separate subject.
NY MomMemberThere is no scientific or objective study to support for resistance testing.
NY MomMembermepal: Loved your jokes from yesterday, especially the ones about the dog and the false teeth 🙂
NY MomMemberThe good old Yanks better pull this out of the hole in 13 minutes or else my boys are going to have to wait until tomorrow find out what happens.
NY MomMemberShikur? What have you been drinking tonight?! 6 – 4!
NY MomMemberWhat’s all that yelling from my sons’ bedroom?
Sounds good for the Yanks!
NY MomMemberThank you, goody613! 🙂
And pookie, no problem! We oll make mistaks!
NY MomMemberjewishandworking22: Since Eequalsmcsquared, is asking for opinions, I think that he/she is looking for different perspectives on the issue. Not having identified a specific dating style, anyone interested in chiming in, can speak from their own experiences. As the OP says, “Personal examples prefered.”
“I have MO friends who have dated for year(s) and are happily married with kids. It all matters on the couple.”
Glad it worked out for them. You’re right that it depends on the couple, but the pitfalls in this type of dating are so many, I wouldn’t even want to get into it. The only thing I will convey is a few words of caution. If one decides to date for two years, he/she is committing two years of his life to a relationship, which may not end in marriage. If a single girl/guy has several of these two-year relationships, which do not end in marriage, this can lead to being 40-something, single, and a greatly deteriorated pool of possibilities. I’ve seen it happen and it’s very sad.
NY MomMemberMy husband and I dated about 3 months. I think that period of time was long enough to get to know each other, without it schlepping out too long.
jewishandworking22: While I agree that people should date for as long as they feel it is necessary to get to know each other, I do not think that “dating” for a year or two is good or necessary. I say this as a person who has MO relatives, and I have seen the detriment of this style of dating. I’m not sure if this is what you were getting at, since your post was edited, but I kind of got that impression. I could elaborate further on this point, if you wish.
NY MomMemberEequalsmcsquared: Welcome and enjoy the CR!!
BEST IMA: I’m enjoying your posts! Glad you decided to jump in.
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