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I know the original is Ivrit, that’s why I like it so much, she is such a good writer and the English translation is very well done, no pretentious language that even I need a dictionary to understand, which is what I always like.
So what did you think? My only gripe is that there is no mention of either Lady Makan or Hala expecting and then suddenly they both have babies. A bit too much of avoiding the topic – it is an adult novel after all. She could have written that they were expecting. Apart from that it was fantastic.
Writersoul: please don’t try to tell me that if a prominent rav took certain tunes and changed the words and sung it it would make the tune any holier. Maybe you really just don’t completely get what I am saying, that tuma is inherent in the music itself, and the words or singer can’t change that. As someone who really feels music and who understands just how deeply music can penetrate, I can honestly say that I know exactly what my sem teacher was talking about, and not just saying some chumra nonsense. And I have to say that the vast majority of modern Jewish music does not connect to me or resonate or make me feel anything. Music that makes me feel something special – now that is what I listen to.
Throughout time people were more religious and had more morals as well. Today’s culture, especially the music scene, has sunk so low that any ‘Jewish’ music influenced by modern pop music cannot be called Jewish.
Definitely not tonsillitis.
If you work in any job where confidentiality is important, then you can’t share anecdotes from work (unless you don’t include names). I am a teacher, and would never name a child or parent in any of my ‘stories from work’. There was one case where I didn’t name anyone for a long time, but then I was so hurt by how things came to a head that I ended up saying who it was. And we don’t talk about it any more.
SG, we do share an account, btw, it’s been very useful!
Writersoul, my point with Phantom is that the melodies of many songs were written with the intent of the original words as well, so the music style reflects that, even if you don’t know the original lyrics. And because the music itself is infused with impurity, then is does have an impact, whether or not the listener realises it. It is a little complicated. Blanket statements can be made in some cases, for instance the whole genre of rock or rap music. Rock is associated with drug culture, among other things. Rap is also often associated with drug and gang culture. Is this the kind of music we want to be copying (even if the melody was not ‘borrowed’)?
Writersoul, if the original song for the music was one full of profanity then it is inherently tamei. I don’t think it would be obvious to someone listening who has never heard the original but the fact remains that just listening to a tune that was written for impure lyrics, even if Jewish words have been put to it, will damage – whether the listener realises it or not. We once had a class in sem where our teacher (wife of a well-known rav) taught us that music goes into our souls, not just our ears. I agree with oomis: because those operas you talk about were written mostly by religious, G-d-fearing Christians who had a sense of morals (although not all of them did), whereas some Jewish music comes from contemporary non-Jewish music written by completely immoral people. And whether or not the words have been changed, the melody will still make it’s impression.
I have a challenge, for all those who know Phantom of the Opera: try to put Jewish words to Point of No Return, and see if it sounds any more kosher (have to confess that I do like POTO, though).
The apostrophe is very distressed at the moment, saying that no one knows how to use it properly any more.
TLIK – I beg to differ, overpuntuationitis cannot be cured by texting, since most people on the texting treatment program tend to use multiple exclamation marks and question marks.
As for hyperlexia, I will admit to being a sufferer, and have no intention of taking treatment. Bad spelling and grammar is just unprofessional and wrong, and when I see it on menus, shops and school notices (for goodness’ sake) I really cringe. But most teenagers will grow out of overpunctuationitis.
miritchka, whether or not you know the original songs were non-Jewish, most of today’s pop music is written by people with exceedingly low moral standards. Simply putting Jewish words to these tunes does not make them any holier.
I think you suffer from overpunctuationitis. Common symptoms are: using more than one question mark in a sentence, using more than one exclamation mark in a sentence. The more punctuation marks used, the worse the condition. Don’t worry, it’s not life-threatening and is usually grown out of by about age 25 at the latest, although there are rare exceptions.
I’m not so sure. He had a television series a while ago on BBC called The History of the Jews, and aside from some minor things, it was remarkably accurate and not biased towards his secular views. I don’t think he is an apikores per se, just brought up not knowing much religious. He does keep a couple of things.
And I’m notasheep, but I’m notasheet either 😛
And I can’t really post to YWN CR from mine, so computer it is…
When is the third out? Cause the English one of the Outcast only came out Succos…
I am not so sure that James Horner (titanic theme) or Howard Shore (lord of the rings) were ever asked permission. For those of you who know the latter, the second track from the first film is copied note for note as the introduction for ‘sameach’, albeit with a different tempo and the last bar changed to lead into the song.
oomis +1000!
The Horrible Histories series by Terry Deary (for kids) was what got me interested in history in the first place and I still hold a soft spot for them. Although I won’t generally read history books for leisure I can recommend any of Simon Schama’s books. He’s a great historian.
I have my moments as well, I’m not perfect and my two year old certainly knows how to try my patience! But thanks for the compliments. Feeling any better?
Refua shelema Syag. Hope the paracetamol help. I’m not overprotective, just practical…
hudi, great lines!
From the film Ender’s Game: Come on, this is basic rocket science, people.
I was not being sarcastic. I am genuinely bemused and sometimes shocked at what some mothers think or do when it comes to their kids, and was merely trying to use this incident as an example. Another example I can mention is the growing number of parents who do not give milk as a drink once their child stops feeding/formula. As a kindergarten teacher I have had so many children who tell me at snack time that they don’t like milk, and yet when I ask them if they have milk in their cereal they tell me yes. So I get them to try a little and by the end of the year most of the class drink full cups of milk. And like I said in an earlier post, mothers think their child doesn’t like the water the first time they try it, so they put juice in instead. And continue giving their kids juice bottle until they are 4 or 5 years old. A child of 2 shouldn’t even be drinking from a bottle any more! And a 5 year old should not be walking around with a dummy in his mouth! And some mothers just don’t seem to be bothered…
I’m sorry if what I said came across as sarcastic. It was never meant to be. I read over my post and I cannot find anything that I might have thought was funny.
And even if the copyright holders didn’t care, it does not say much for the moral standards of someone who is willing to pass off someone else’s music as his own.
How do you know permission was not secured?
You cannot call them parodies (unless it’s Gershon Veroba, whose parodic songs have a point to them) since a parody is making fun of something. These singers have heard a song, used the tune and put in their own words. It’s not necessarily gneivas mamon, it’s more like gneivas daas, since the original music was someone else’s idea.
Shopping, I will tell you that I loved both of them, which is rare for me since I was brought up reading very good classic and modern fiction, and so I sometimes find Jewish fiction a little cliched or poorly written. I think that The Betrayal and The Outcast are both fantastic, and I’m sure there will be a third so waiting patiently…
No, we don’t do ketchup in the cholent. Paprika gives it the same colour, without the nauseating taste.
I got my cheque for my first ever published article.
Classical music is only inherently bad if the neshama of the composer was immoral. Otherwise it’s fine to listen to. Many of the songs by Jewish singers, however, have been copied, adapted from or completely ripped off non-Jewish pop songs, some of which are very low indeed. Unfortunately I do know the originals of some of these songs. Aside from having been copied from non-Jewish music, the act of copying the music itself is an aveira (stealing, since they have not asked the original singer’s permission) and does not show a good moral character on the part of these Jewish singers. Therefore, going by the same argument that some hold for classical music, this music would also be considered ‘not Jewish’.
Writersoul, you have really got me started on a pet peeve!
Syag, you are right to tell RisingSun that a babysitter has no right to judge, I would just like to point out that there are some mothers who really can be idiots about what is good for the child, and just never give their child water. And to go off on a tangent, there are some mothers who can be idiots about what is bad for the child as well. I was once asked by a mother if my two and a half year old was ok eating whole parve sausages. I said to the mother “she’s two and half, why should I cut them up for her?” and she said to me that kids can choke on stuff, even at that age and older! I told her that the sausages were soft, she has all her teeth and she knows how to eat – it’s only hard stuff like hard sweets that even older children can choke on. And she still looked at me as if I shouldn’t be giving my child whole sausages. And I remember thinking, does she still cut up her two year old’s food into small pieces the whole time? Like I said, there are mothers who are idiots.
Shopping – the thread with the least amount of comments is mine about pninim alumni from 2008. No one posted (boo-hoo)
Little Froggie – I confess I never sterilised my babies’ dummies (that’s what we call them in this country) when the dropped on the floor. Tap water or Mummy’s mouth was fine. And after four months I stopped sterilising my younger child’s bottles between feeds (my older one was only given a bottle past this age anyway, so hers were never sterilised). However when it comes to a situation where a baby could fall out and get injured, a mother cannot be laissez-faire. I also confess that I rarely strap my baby in the highchair (it has a wedge between the legs to prevent slipping) and that I don’t have a stair gate. B”H my older one was too scared to go near the stairs until she learned to slide down them herself and my younger one isn’t crawling yet. But I will not put my kids in a situation where it is fairly likely they could get hurt. For example, I will not drive in the car without strapping my kids in, and cannot understand parents who drive with their kids standing, kneeling, crawling over the back seats – WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE?? All it takes is one small incident (it doesn’t even have to be major, an emergency stop will be enough) and those kids will be flying out the windows and acquiring some serious injurious chas v’sholom.
hudi, it really depends. If a baby is still nursing and the mother doesn’t drink enough during hot weather then the baby does need extra water. Once a baby starts solids they definitely need water as a drink otherwise they get constipated.
Bookworm, even when the teeth haven’t cut yet, they are still in the gums and giving juice can still be bad for them since it stays on the gums.
Oomis, I am not a grandmother nor anywhere close to being one (my kids are 2 and 8 months) but I share your views. Maybe I was just brought up old-fashioned, since this is not the only old-fashioned opinion I have (such as working hard and earning things rather than expecting parents to provide.)
I don’t think it’s cruel but it is terrible for their teeth. In England we are recommended not to give juice of any kind before a year old, but some people do give juice to their kids cause they think “my baby won’t drink water” the first time they try to give it. NEWSFLASH: it takes a little while for babies to get used to the taste of water, since until then they have been drinking milk, which is naturally sweet. All it takes is a little perseverance. My eight month old doesn’t drink so much water yet, but I would never dream of giving her anything else just to make her drink.
I’m a bit confused. Do the supermarkets in America not have infant seats on them already? Or an attachment to fix a car seat securely onto it?
However, lying a baby across the child seat in the trolley is not safe.
On the other hand, it is not a realistic expectation for the mother to go shopping without the baby. I have a toddler and an infant, and there is no way I can go shopping without them, since my husband works. I do local grocery shops with them, and do my big supermarket shopping online instead. So as Ash said, maybe just offer to help out instead of criticising.
If at first you don’t succeed, skydiving is not for you.
JMH, please do not kill me for this!
But it WAS ketchup! Why do you think it’s red! I demand a retrial!
yose, are you married? Because you clearly don’t understand the importance of shana rishona. To have more than one person staying in the house for that length of time is a huge invasion of privacy, and also the new husband would feel very uncomfortable with multiple single females staying in his house. Once a couple is older and already has children it is less of an issue. Having said that, I still feel very uncomfortable having males staying in the house if they tend to hang around the house when I am home. It is really a breach of tznius.
Hey! That’s mot fair… The pool of jurors is decidedly pro-ketchup and, therefore, is biased.
oomis +1 You have a very good point
But maybe it was Mustard in the Dining Room with the Lead Pipe…
Popa +1!
Ken Zayn, my father davens in Adass Yeshurun. Like I said, he prefers that when we come we don’t use it, simply for chinuch. Except for when I go to Manchester for Shabbos it doesn’t make much difference, and where I live anyway has no eiruv.
There are specialists who can recall data, even on cards that have corrupted. At least you still have the card. My phone decided to dive into a canal in Venice, so I really had no way of getting my pictures back!
Circumstantial evidence. Objection!
ketchup on anything is going too far. Why spoil perfectly good food?
Not allowing anti-ketchup posts calls for a very unfair trial.
I demand justice! I demand to be heard!
The Church of Scientology believes in evolution and says there is no G-d. It is basically atheists who try to show that they are not atheists cause they have a religion.
Was only going by what my parents told me, and at the time they told me there was no one saying that the eiruv is not kosher, only that some people just won’t be using it for chinuch reasons. My father also prefers not to use it. Which rabbonim say it’s not kosher?
Can I be a character witness? Against ketchup, of course
Torah, get off this thread. If you like ketchup, go post on the other thread.
Ban ketchup!!!
DY +1