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I fully agree with the general sentiments expressed on this issue by yekke, sirvoddmort, DY and NeutiquamErro.
wian: The answer to all three of your questions is no. They should be reported only to beis din which may (or may not) have a partial remedy as far as compensation being due to the victims. Any other remedies would be in Hashem’s hands. I am assuming the basis for all three of your cases is that there’s no chance of re-offending.
DaMoshe: The shaila Rav Chaim was asked was specifically in a case where the person asking Rav Chaim said he knew with certainty the abuse occurred (it wasn’t only a suspicion or child’s claim.) Rav Chaim said in that case reporting it would save others in the future, so he should do so.
Forget about nukes. Even without considering nukes it is more dangerous for a Jew to live in Israel than for him to live in America or Australia or even Europe or South America. There’s more anti-Jewish terrorism in Israel than in any of those other places.
Kollel guys. They are one of the three pillars holding up the world and yet they take abuse from many.
Simcha: And if there *is* a religious prohibition for the Jewish person (or Christian person) to perform the job?
Should a photographer be forced to accept a job to photograph a toeiva marriage? Should a baker be forced to bake a cake for a toeiva engagement? Should a wedding hall be forced to rent to a toeiva wedding? Should a band be forced to take a job playing at a toeiva event?
I’m not trying to argue whether any particular hashkafa is beyond the pale. All I’m trying to understand is how if you’re able to comment “The same goes for Yeshivat Maharat, though I think it’s pretty clear by now that almost everyone attending there now has improper Hashkafos”, how can you complain if someone else similarly says that your community has improper hashkafos?
Is it acceptable to not respect the hashkafa of open orthodoxy – or once doing so you acknowledge that certain hashkofos are verboten? If it is all nuance, then one person’s nuances may differ from anothers.
I’ve heard Meshichists say the same thing… that their positions is misunderstood and the attacks against them is based on misinformation. I know it is all nuanced, but just saying.
DaMoshe: “However, if they are meshichist (which my Rav, along with many other Rabbonim, holds is a major problem halachically), I do not respect the hashkafah.”
Just as you and your Rav hold a certain hashkafa is a major problem halachically and therefore you do not respect the hashkafah, why is it difficult for you to accept that others and their rabbonim may hold that your hashkafa is a major problem halachically and therefore do not respect the hashkafah?
You got my curiosity piqued, LF. What was that not all common name and what is the backup name that usually goes along with it?
“as was best demonstrated” this week in time of need. But it is the rule, by far, not the exception.
If I’d have written lol it would have been out of the sheer happiness that the Jewish people are there for each other in times of need – as was best demonstrated this week in time of need and tragedy. 🙂
Certainly all parts of the Orthodox communities are usually together – and the times apart or conflict are the exceptions. On most issues most Orthodox from all parts of Orthodoxy agree with each other. The contentious issues are a small subset of the non-contentious issues. And even among the contentious issues, most regular run of the mill plain ‘ole Orthodox Jews don’t engage in sparring, even verbal, against members of other Orthodox communities who disagree. The sparring is mostly limited to a minority of people.
“A non-Jewish taxi driver assumes that all Jews consider themselves brothers and sisters! If such a person realizes that, why can’t we, the Jewish people, treat each other as such?”
We do. You need to give us credit. Even though not a single media outlet I saw pointed this out, did you notice that the crowd was a mix of Ashkenazim, Sefardim, Chareidim, Chasidim, Modern, Litvish, Daati and irreligious? In fact, despite the victims being Sefardim I would estimate that the majority by large were Ashkenazim (at the US levaya for sure – at the Israel levaya it was more of a mix). Yes, it was all a mix of everyone being one. So much so that no one even noticed it since it was so natural. No one blinked an eye or thought twice, wow what a mix, because it is so natural to think of each other as brothers and sisters. It is the imagination of outsiders that invent these non-existent barriers of imaginative separations. Of course we are all one. We know it. And we act it.
interjection: It’s great that there are plenty of women who are careful to dress appropriately. But unless every man looks at his shoelaces all day, like golfer put it, they’re going to see women. And if some aren’t up to par they will be challenges to every man that see them, due the nature Hashem created men and women.
“Once they ask me for money (which they did), it becomes my Cheshbon.”
gavra: Why is it your cheshbon if they asked for money, unless you actually gave money? Did you donate a considerable sum to kollel? If there was, would not the cheshbon you have only be limited with that particular kollel?
1) Because much of the other major and minor parties specifically target the Chareidi community for harm in various manners. Therefore the Chareidi community needs advocates to counter these anti-Chareidi efforts. Additionally, it isn’t true the other parties run to govern for the benefit of all Israelis. Meretz’s goal isn’t that nor is Yesh Atid’s.
2) As a general by and large rule, native Israeli Chareidim are more interested in Torah than in economic success. They’d rather be an impoverished talmid chochom than a rich baal haboss. Their goal in their lives are to be full time ovdei Hashem rather than a middle class lifestyle.
a_y: I don’t think that comment about the CI is accurate.
Likud got 30 so Netanyahu can have a government of 61 with just the Chareidim and without Lieberman and certainly without Lapid. And Lieberman can be convinced to join, anyways, even with cancelling the draft, as he has bigger issues he’s more interested in. (He’s pre-election comments he will insist on keeping the draft was simply pre-election vote pandering. He’s changed positions post-election before on other issues as well that he claimed he would stand for pre-election.) But Netanyahu doesn’t need Lieberman to get to 61 since he has 30 himself.
I think there’s a big point being overlooked here. Two right-wing parties, Eli Yishai’s Yachad and Avigdor Lieberman’s Yisrael Beitenu are both on the borderline of being polled just over the make it or break it line of getting into the Knesset with four or five seats. The polls can be off by a few seats. If either or especially both these parties miss the cutoff and just miss getting into the Kenesset, then the right-wing is literally blowing anywhere between 3 and 7 seats. That changes the entire paradigm and mathematics. One or both of them failing to get in, thus wasting all those right-wing votes, can literally hand over the majority to Herzog. And I don’t think this scenario is very far fetched at all.
(And the left-wing is at much less risk of a similar scenario as they have only one small party on the borderline, Meretz, and it is polling better than both Lieberman and Yishai.)
For certain we just got better at preventing communicable diseases from spreading. At the time of the plague science wasn’t aware of how germs spread.
You quoted only part of my comment. The part you didn’t quote already answered your issue.
“Girls tend to act with more poise but then they have the boys pulling up the car to the house and waiting there for the girl to secretly enter the car so her neighbors don’t see her on a shiduch. You call that mature?”
I call that tznius. That isn’t a maturity issue. A boy and girl dating trying to avoid community exposure to the extent possible is a virtue of tznius. They aren’t married to each other. Dating itself is only a heter (albeit a necessary one) against tznius. Not being seen dallying with an opposite gender is a virtue even though you have a legitimate reason being together.
big: The few fake strands of hairs protruding from under the hats worn by Satmar and other chasidim is so obviously fake or synthetic that almost anyone knows right away that it’s fake hair.
I asked a rov this question about sheitels and he said even though a majority of poskim don’t permit it, the rabbonim allow it because of the confluence of a) people were insisting on wearing shaitlach and ?? ??? ?? ?? ????? b) there were Sholom Bayis issues when insisting on a tichel and c) at least the women were covering their hair altogether, something that not long ago was a very difficult thing to accomplish even with shaitlach. Because of this it became the communal norm in most places to permit them since we need to choose our battles.
“Rav Moshe Shternbuch shlita is a descendant of the GRA by the way.”
Rav Moshe Shternbuch is the Ravaad of the Badatz of the Eidah HaChareidus. I don’t think that he’s chasidish himself but he surely strongly affiliates with the strictest chasidic denominations in Eretz Yisroel including Satmar whose first two Rebbes were the Nasi of the Eidah and the Divrei Yoel was the Gaavad of Yerushalyaim as well. I also think Rav Moshe may have headed a part of Satmar in England where Rav Moshe’s son is currently in place.
A photographs isn’t sacred. The comparison to psukim is totally off. In fact, many tzadikim were opposed to being photographed because they held photographs are a form of avoda zora. And they would have wanted any photo of themselves to be destroyed.
That doesn’t make any sense since there have been (and currently are) many great tzadikim among the chasidim that remained chasidic and many that were not chasidic but became chasidic. Besides, if we take that comment at face value it means you’re suggesting that the Steipler’s father and Rav Moshe’s father and great-grandfather weren’t great.
In line with what TLIK mentioned, Rav Hutner too is of chasidic lineage.
How do you get CT for $30? I thought there’s an additional shipping fee.
Yosi: No. They are following NY law in doing so. Nothing wrong at all.
Sam: The unemployment rate of 28 year old and older chareidi men in EY is fairly low. They may get paid poorly, but they work.
Of course the Gemorah only applies to legitimate purposes. If it is an unessential purpose than of course the issur of seeing immodesty remains. You can’t do an issur because you want to go somewhere for pleasure. This is a davar pashut.
Furthermore, indeed, if one’s job involves issurim and he can get an equivalent job that avoids those issurim, he would surely be required to change jobs. Same if he could use another doctor who is just as good as the first that requires being oiver issurim.
No one has the halachic right to watch a certain movie because, as you put it, “that is what he wants to watch, then there is no other movie like that, then he has no other path.” That is completely absurd. You’re squeezing heterim that don’t exist due to crude desire.
JT: Going somewhere for pleasure is not a necessity. And certainly not going to that particular pleasure venue when you can choose other pleasure venues that don’t involve crossing a path with images of immodestly clad women.
Yosi: It isn’t a C”H to applaud Obama. Sorry, you might disagree with Obama but you mis-define C”H. Why would the police care if anyone had a rally in Manhattan? They’re a dime a dozen in the city. And KY was created legally under NY’s laws. They didn’t create an armed militia to create the town.
Sam: That age is quite high, something like 30 or 40. After the government having legally prevented them from working until that age, by time they can legally work they have little experience or prospects for an above minimum-wage job.
Japan was good to the Yidden during the holocaust.
The Steipler’s father (Rav Chaim’s grandfather) was a Chernobyl chossid.
gavra: Cute, but you’re assuming too much. Assume both became the best they could and both are talmidei chachomim of the highest order and both are godol material. The *only* difference is that one’s yichus is from a long line of Rav Moshe’s and the other’s yichus is from a long line of cobblers.
If a girl had two choices in shidduchim, either Rav Moshe Feinstein’s son (coming from a long line of choshuve rabbonim) or another boy who has *all* (eidel, chein, looks, smarts, honest, nice) the same maailos as Rav Moshe’s son except that his father is a very honest cobbler the son of a very honest bricklayer, or a boy has a choice of either Rav Moshe’s daughter or the son of the aforementioned cobbler with all the same maailos, you think the yichus is meaningless? [Let’s even say Rav Moshe passed away before the shidduch.]
There are specific halachas pertaining to a Rov’s child being entitled to inherit his father’s position as town rov.
A more interesting question:
If Hashem told you that you will be having five (or any other number) of children in your life and I am giving you two choices – they can either be all boys or all girls, which should I make it be?
What would you choose?
All things being equal, if someone has yichus on top of their other maailos (compared to otherwise having the same maailos without yichus), having yichus is definitely a big plus.
“This policy of discrimination between the sexes as to subject matter and method of instruction which is still advocated by certain groups within our Orthodox community has contributed greatly to the deterioration and downfall of traditional Judaism.”
That’s an interesting comment as it was written 40(?) years ago. Time has proven that comment wrong as it is in fact the communities that continue that discrimination between the sexes as to subject matter and method of instruction that have grown by leaps and bounds and enormously prospered over the last 40 years whereas the communities that have broken those barriers down and no longer discriminate in the educational realm have witnessed several phenomenons: many of their members have moved their affiliation to the right into communities that continue the tradition of treating male and female religious educational subjects very differently (notably regarding Talmud study and Torah she-be-al peh), while another portion of their communities have deteriorated towards the edges or beyond of Orthodoxy in adopting practices from the non-Orthodox movements, especially but not exclusively in areas relating to gender and Judaism. Overall, though, the Orthodox communities that liberalized girls education in the last 40 or so years while remaining Orthodox have significantly shrunk as fraction of the Orthodox community.
Yichus is a plus. And having very erliche grandparents and greatgrandparents is big yichus.
R’ Yosi Haglili says chicken with milk is muttar m’dRabbonon. The others say it is assur m’dRabbonon not d’oraysa. The Mechaber paskens it is assur only m’dRabbonon.