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No One Mourns The WickedMember
Considering that all the actors would have to be male….I can already hear the Jewish feminist’s battlecry
No One Mourns The WickedMember“Yitta Halberstam would approve.”
As nauseating as that implication is…..lolololol!!!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberblabla:
I’m so sorry 🙁 How have you been? I read about the watching problem, I don’t have any constructive advice and don’t want to sound redundant, but I can only imagine how hard it must be and what pains you are going through to try and stop it. Have you tried rewarding yourself for every day that you don’t watch it?
bly:
Sheesh, that’s SOME poem! I especially liked this line:
I found that so true, many times I find myself repeating mistakes of my past because it’s familiar and what I know. The future is scary and blazing new paths is a terrifying thought.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberAh…it was tranquil. My family actually went through a y’t without any fights…for this I think we deserve the nobel peace prize.
Hope you can say the same!
Where’s everyone else? Pipe in!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberWicked here! I’m open to chomping on celery sticks too.
No One Mourns The WickedMember“If I were a Rabbi and anyone came to me with a question about music, my first question would be, “Do you have mood swings, or have you ever been diagnosed with Depression?”
& Why do you say that?
No One Mourns The WickedMember“He’s climbin in your windows, he’s snatching your people up… so hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband too..
You don’t have to come and confess, we’re gonna find you… so you can run and tell that homeboy”
Am I the only one who gets the lyrics… 😀 Popa?
No One Mourns The WickedMember“At the sedorim i ate more karpas potato cubes than i care to admit. I cant drink two glasses of wine on an empty stomach sorry so i nosh on the cubes during maggid.”
Ahh!!! Goq! I thought I was the only one who does that!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberBoro Park is the watering hole..
Count me out!
No One Mourns The WickedMember“Why can’t the yanks win they have good players and pitchers”
Sabathia can only play SO many games…
No One Mourns The WickedMember“I cant say I had an awesome time because the Mets Lost, Its a lot better when they win.”
Which is how often?! By order of my Psychologist I switched to being a Yankee fan…the depression was killing me!
“42 you crack me up but then tell me what is the lesson of being a cubs fan? for us you may need to bring down some posukim from Iyov.”
Thank You Goq for officially causing me to snort coffee out my nose. Chag Sameach!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberJust wanted to peek in here and wish all you wonderful people a chag sameach!
May this be the last pesach that anyone feels any pain or confusion. Yomim Tovim are a hard time for us singles so let’s try and keep strong..
Saysme: I’ll be going out’ve state for the chag. Hopefully there will be no repeats of Purim (loooong story) & yes finals are approaching, Good Luck MP too!!
MP: The Masters is 2 years, but I’m still debating whether I’m brave enough to pursue a doctorate.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberUgh, NY…
I’m a born and bred New Yorker and I am counting down the days until I finish Graduate School so that I can move the heck out’ve here. My siblings all live OOT and when the plane touches down in JFK my depression level soars..
NY (Specifically Bklyn) is overcrowded, pompous and rude.
Fech.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberIt’s been a long winter & I’m ready!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberYW Moderator-42:
When do I get one 😀
No One Mourns The WickedMemberMiddlePath:
“No One Mourns, that’s great you’re in the home stretch! I’ve still got at least another year and a half.”
There’s graduate school looming in the fall lol.
No One Mourns The WickedMember“Do they still cook?”
Please tell me that is not your #1 concern…
No One Mourns The WickedMemberGoq:
+1
No One Mourns The WickedMember“MiddlePath, someone will be very lucky to have you as a husband one day.”
Agreed!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberafrican-american:
That was possibly one of the best lines I have ever read.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberOomis1105:
“But we can and should encourage girls to make the most of what Hashem has given them. That doesn’t mean going overboard, but a little lipstick, blush, mascara, and other cosmetics to cover up acne scars, discolorations, etc. are a good thing. Carefully applied makeup is not the enemy, (especially when you are trying to catch the eye of some boy’s mother).”
Making the most of what hashem gave us does not fall under the umbrella of PLASTIC SURGERY. That is called “Hashem I don’t like what you gave me and therefore I’m going to change it”.
Again, I am not saying that she didn’t have some very valid points. Makeup and stylish clothing will take a girl a long way in shidduchim, but her “helpful suggestions” were anything but helpful. You say we should be concerned about Anorexia in shidduchim. You think reading an article like this doesn’t propel that thought in a young/insecure girl?!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberYes. Get lapband surgery. Oh, and while your at it, get lenses coloring, a nose job, caps on your teeth, your hair straightened within an inch of your life, plastic surgery…
You wouldn’t want to scare people on the street (Or at least that’s what Yitta Halberstam in her article would recommend.)
No One Mourns The WickedMemberLogician:
“If a girl doesn’t look good, that’s a nisayon – no different than if she would have any other physical condition. But there’s no excuse for someone in shidduchim not to try to look good.”
MiddlePath:
“Everything in my life I can honestly say is for my good. Was it at times difficult? Yes. But only when this positive attitude escaped my consciousness.”
I envy your bitachon, I truly do. I do agree with Logician though in regards to accepting that sometimes g-d does send pain our way. Personally, one of the major aspects of emunah that I struggle with is trying to intellectualize various events in my life. Are they Tests? Punishments? Stepping Stones? I have yet to satisfy myself with a conclusion.
(As an aside, people do tell me that I think too deeply & not everything can be rationalized..)
No One Mourns The WickedMemberYitzy99:
“One thing about weight. If a person wants to change their weight, it is doable, but it may take work. Such traits as a gloomy personality, pessimism, character flaws,and anger are much harder to change. So if weight is your problem, your much better off than someone with a nasty disposition.”
First of all-to people that are overweight, losing it is the biggest/hardest challenge. It’s not fair to make an assumption that changing an intrinsic personality trait is harder than losing 50 pounds. Second of all, if we go with your arguement- how come it doesn’t work in the ‘real world’ of shidduchim? IMHO it’s because a boy can tell right away from the resume picture what a girl looks like so if she isn’t “desirable” she’ll be written off. Nasty personality traits will only crop up once the dating process has begun.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberMP:
Glad to hear 🙂
Oh man, me too! I was actually taking a study break when I posted that comment. What’s getting me through is knowing that I’m in the homestretch (But I def agree with you-when things get tough school is a very good security blanket for me..)
No One Mourns The WickedMember“artscroll is the best!!! they also have ones with children illustrations that keep them going. personlly my kids love them!”
Heck, I love them too!
No One Mourns The WickedMember*stomping away* Fine. I’ll let her defend herself.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberUmmmm, Bar Shattya: I think oomis was replying to something another poster wrote and just forgot to put it into qoutes…
No One Mourns The WickedMembers2021, wow…that’s some use of imagery! (Everyone in here writes so well!)
I’m sorry you are going through such pain, but like MP wrote, I’m glad you are moving away from the trauma and overcoming the anxiety ridden feelings. Keep Strong!
How’s everyone else in here doing? SaysMe? Middle Path? Goq? Blabla?
No One Mourns The WickedMemberFirst of all…what exactly is a “Bein Hazmanim Program”? Is this code language for “I’m looking to get a fast easy degree”?
College is a commitment, it’s not something you do on a whim or just to get it overwith. College is expensive and requires a lot of attention and effort.
Best of luck!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberGet a shidduch profile….?
A) Create one for yourself?
B) Obtain one of a prospective date?
C) List of matchmakers?
Please Elaborate.
OneOfMany:
Behave! 😉
No One Mourns The WickedMemberHealth: Oh don’t get me started on the hypocrisy…
No One Mourns The WickedMemberoomis1105: +1 (I love that line!)
No One Mourns The WickedMembermore:
“What’s better intelligence and average-ugly looks OR Ultra pretty, slim girl with moderate, little or no brains????
personally I’d rather the intelligence over the ultra thin pretty girl. You can’t emotionally relate to someone that you are not itellectually on par with.”
You would think it would be intelligence + Average looks (& who said that has to be ugly?) but unfortunately it seems that looks win more often than not.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberYou live in lakewood and have a TV?! Shame Shame..
No One Mourns The WickedMemberwritersoul:
Oy, don’t depricate like that! Mrs. Halberstam obviously has a distorted perception of beauty and the extreme lengths one must go to in order to get married. Unfortunately, the shidduch world IS a very shallow and often painful experiance. The important thing is to look the best that YOU CAN. This does not (& SHOULD NOT) include nose jobs, outrageously expensive hair treatments and fake eye coloring. IMHO confidence and personality is what makes someone truly attractive.
cherrybim:
“Women should always look their best for husbands. This mother was right on the money. If a girl does not take care of herself before marriage and certainly when meeting a prospective mother-in-law; she will not care to make herself attractive to her husband down the road.”
No one (Or certainly not me) is saying that a girl in shidduchim shouldn’t look her best. Absolutely she should! If you look at my OP you will notice that I started off by stating my utter surprise that the girls showed up with little to no makeup. My surprise at that notion was quickly replaced with shock and disgust at her “helpful suggestions” for beauty treatments.
She is promoting exactly what Hollywood and Madison Ave try to push on us every single day. & then people are surprised when their children start dressing/acting a certain way…Look at what a frum women is promoting!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberSam2:
“NOMTW: Elphaba was not by Baum at all. It’s just an old version of Wicked. Baum wrote 14 children’s novels, all of which are amazing. Wicked and Elphaba are massive distortions of that world.”
Elphaba AKA The Wicked Witch of The West most definitely is in Baum’s books…
Wicked (The Broadway) went ahead and played up her background (which according to Baum fans is completely distorted) I like the Wicked version because it intellectualizes her “wickedness”. That is precisely why I choose my SN. In the song “No One Mourns The Wicked” (From Wicked) there is one line: “Are people born wicked or do they have wickedness thrust upon them?”.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberAren’t you the impatient one too?
Perhaps there is a connection between the two…?
No One Mourns The WickedMemberblinky:
“The writer did not say that girls have to look like a model- she just said that girls should make sure they take care of their basic appearance.”
She most certainly implied that model-esque features are to be coveted. She even wrote how since models wear makeup and most people do not look like models how much more so do we have to wear makeup. She also mentioned nose jobs/hair straightening many times throughout her article, to me that is not “basic appearance”.
I completely agree that nice clothing & enhancing makeup will take you a long way in shidduchim. I was just waiting for words like ‘middos’, ‘intelligence’, ‘personality’, ‘inner beauty’ to crop up next to ‘nose job’, ‘violet lenses’, & ‘hair straightenings’…..sadly, it did not.
No One Mourns The WickedMemberakuperma:
“Some would say it is actually about politics and economics during the turn of the century, though that was watered down in the movie.”
Yeah, that’s stressed in Wicked with all the experiments on the animals…”For The Greater Good”..etc
No One Mourns The WickedMemberWelcome Luna! Let’s spread some Harry Potter Love around 🙂
“The Final Horcrux” dabbled here for a few days and ran away… (If you’re reading this- come back!)
No One Mourns The WickedMemberThanks MP 🙂
No One Mourns The WickedMemberSam2:
“NOMTW: Really? Shouldn’t you be biased against it? The play Wicked completely distorted and destroyed Baum’s entire world outside of the Wizard of Oz movie. True Baum fans absolutely hate the play.”
True Wicked fans believe that the Wicked version is the correct version and that Baum’s Elphaba is SERIOUSLY misunderstood…
So while I ‘disagree’ with The Wizard Of Oz, I do not think that there is anything inherently wrong with it from a hashkafic/halachic POV (But like I said- I may be biased since I am huge fan of the story regardless of which version is correct)
No One Mourns The WickedMemberRealist, along the lines of Sam2…no expectation= no disappointment.
No One Mourns The WickedMembermikehall12382: +1, well said!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberTotally 🙂
‘course I’m biased…
No One Mourns The WickedMemberSaysme:
“nomtw- How are ya? wishing you a gr8 Shabbos and good stuff with your parents this week!”
Hey! Doing good, been on break from the CR while immersing myself in piles of homework lol. I actually went away this shabbos to a married sibling so it was a great weekend. I’ll be home this coming shabbos for the first time in three weeks so…. *Fingers Crossed* Thanks for checking in! How are those daily milestones going?
P.S-“…….like stars in a blackened sky”- Something very hauntingly beautiful about that image..
Princess Eagle:
“NoOneMournsTheWicked – hello again!”
Hi!! 🙂
No One Mourns The WickedMemberHealth:
“And if this is the case in your situation can you imagine how much more it is when your child dies and/or you get divorced?”
God Forbid, but yeah I hear ya :-/
Goq:
*Sigh*, one day in the distant future….verrrrrrry distant, We’ll all have our question for G-d. Save me a spot 😀
No One Mourns The WickedMemberSaysMe: 0:)
Boro Park Girl: That’s from Hamlet not Julius Caesar LOLOLOL!!
No One Mourns The WickedMemberAwful movie.
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