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regarding the post by HEALTH actually proclaiming a klalla!!!.
erev tisha b’av!!
how does stuff like that get approved??!!
I move that anyone who writes such disgusting stuff be blocked.
If you still remember the story, then …??!!
Why wouldn’t you remember it?
“How about Flight of the Valkyries?”
Oh good grief!!!
to wolf.
I dont think you really read my post.
I wrote that the specifics are beyond my capacity to know. and yours. how could op know it is drivel? the story may be false.
but op and you and others seem to be saying that the idea of serious punishment is rediculous. yes, if you make up a story about what the onesh for a particular avaira will be, that is not okay.
implying that any punishment will certainly not be as horrific as the one in the story is also wrong. very wrong.
done.
There seem to be two topics under discussion.
1) is this good chinuch.
2) op says the story is drivel.
as to the first I will cede that telling such things to some will drive them away. whether a BY or Yeshiva ought to take that into consideration I will leave to others to comment on.
as to the second I have to say again that there is punishment in this world and the next for avairos. How dare you call it drivel?!
This is one of the shlosh asar ikarim. As to the the specifics I am not in a position to know and neither is anyone else here.
but the idea is basic.
I remember a shmooz where the rav said, “be sure you are not including yourself in birchas haminim!”.
TO Fief un
you are so right. it is terrible to teach people that avaros will be punished! They should think that whatever they do is fine and their personal choice!
This is an old story and the specifics may or may not be true.
what is true is one of the ani maamins.
There is schar v’onesh.
Aimas hadin and yiras chate are among the most important things to teach and learn.
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Good point. Let’s read the gemara. Gemara says on 14b that they would tell each other which families they were not allowed to marry. So we’ll do that.
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yes indeed that is what they did. it is tremendous shvach for basi shammai and bais hillel that they were able to handle this very bad situation with dignity.
but it was still horrible. we dont want that back. and we are not bais shammai or bais hillel and would not be able to handle it anyway.
“But it’s still the OU’s responsibility to label it OU D.
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No it isn’t. And popa doesn’t think so either.
after posting I realized I had fallen right into your trap.
You really are a very clever troll.
Now how many people think that trolling like that is funny and good and how many think it not good?
Also, it is important to realize that hecherim rely on each other.
most will accept the hecher for an ingredient when approved by most of the others, unless it involves a chumra they adhere to.
The product is obviously not pareve, it contains sour cream.
using ou-d on an oviously milchig product is an almost recent change in policy. sort of belt and suspenders. It really shouldnt be necessary. However, now that it is the policy, some people may not bother to read ingredients. Always a mistake. So for such people they should correct it. But it is not something to get very excited about.
done.
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YW Moderator-20
Not ready to retire
Sam, PBA’s comment was originally deleted, but I cannot fight with his super powers….
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I know.
to oneofmany
since my joy is incomplete, I left off the last chortle.
Oh frabjous day! Oh calloo.
That dreadful thread that caused the argument above has finally been edited. I believe it should be deleted entirely but at least the worst of it has been deleted.
almost every post here is incorrect. even the ones that seem to “correct” others.
shame on all you for discussing this here and for throwing around stuff when you don’t really know what you are talking about anyway.
to torah umadah
sam2 was possibly pointing that the word you should have used was yehoreg not yaharog as mostly people missay it.
and I am possibly pointing out, this is another dangerous topic.
to pba
I certainly hope you are all right. I too can think of many possibe reasons for you to have abruptly gone missing.
but since I don’t know what happend I am genuinely worried,
and I would never dream of joking about where you might be since I don’t know for sure that you are alright. I once told you that clowns are incorrigible and you decided to wear it as badge of honor. I don’t know how ben torah can adorn himself with such a word. but another problem with clowns is that they imagine that their audience will love them. think about this thread the next time you plan on donning the cap and bells.
kol tuv
To moderator 42
ah! you didnt notice it because it was stickied.
Is that why neither mods nor posters are aware of the
stickied set of coffee room rules? Or is it that they just no longer care?
to middlepath:
Thank you for the kind words. Let me address a few of the things you said and then I hope I can leave it be. a composition really should stand on its own.
1) “I’m sorry I didn’t get the message in part 2”
well the message is really the last line:
“A scandal on the internet. A threat to every Jew!”
Even if you don’t yourself know what the scandal is.
the rest of the section is about how I imagine this lapse happend,
and that even if I am wrong,the important thing is that it did.
Aside from personal information, there are many other things that dont belong being bandied about in public, as described nicely on the front page of the coffee room.
2) would I write some more poetry and post it here?
Well it took a tremendous amount out of me and to almost no purpose.
The people I most want to see it probably wont, because just as you hardly read other threads, I think they hardly read the poetry thread. This was a kind of temporary insanity, something I just had to do. I had such an attack once long ago and also to almost no purpose. I wish I still had that poem.
3) interesting that you prefered sections two and three.
part 3 is my least favorite. I wanted to fix it up some but simply had exhausted my mental energy.
All the best,
to aaron chaim.
it is correct. the interval between RH and pesach varies.
the interval between pesach and RH can not vary. RH always comes out two days after pesach. IOTW pesach must come out two days BEFORE the FOLLOWING rh.
The controlling rule though, is lo ado rosh, which indirectly controls many other things about the calendar.
You can think of it your way if you like, but the calendar is always calculated by first figuring when RH must come out for this year and when it must come out for next year and working from there.
To Mods.
First, thank you for approving my poem even though it is critical of you. Also thank you for moving part 2 after part 1 even thought I think there were intervening posts. Now if you could do the same for part 3…
But now what is to be done about this situation?
That poison is still out there. Won’t you delete it? can’t you delete it? You’ve deleted much milder stuff.
Do I have to talk to some rabbis? I am literally getting sick over this.
i’m not sure to what you are referring. Can you post in that thread, what you think should be taken down, please?
To everyone else here:
I seem to have interrupted the flow of poetry and friendly help here and for that I am sorry.
to syag.
glad you liked it. but your login name almost guaranteed you would like it.
to ICOT.
Well thank you. but for me, this was an aberration.
also to ICOT who wrote:
“Seriously, you make a very good point, too.
People should be careful not to lower their guard and reveal some personal information they may be sorry they let slip. “
That was only the first point.
To Saysme:
Only rarely. only second time. the other one was a long time ago.
BTW there is a disturbing typo.
one line should have read
Because he judged the OP A troll …
the missing word A really ruins it, if that be possible.
Many reading this are not aware of the details referred obscurely in part 2. I hope the meaning came through, even to those who don’t know the specifics.
but some of the mods DO know the specifics. so
(continued)
penultimately?
lo badu pesach is just a consequence of lo adu rosh.
hasn’t happend like this for 14 years. though, if we are still using the same fixed calendar, it will occur twice in row three years from now.
Regarding virtual beverages (part 3 close)
Times were many that I tried the warning bell to knell
When answer I got any, it was sometimes LOL.
“We’re all a cozy bunch here, who do you think would tell?
Theres nothing to be scared of. You just can go to ____”.
You say this ditty is unwitty so you point and hold your nose.
That unpretty, no-wit ditty! There’s never been such dross!
This thread it is for poets, but I’m not one of those.
For me this is a rarity, I am more at ease with prose.
If my ditty is unpretty as a poem it’s no good,
Its message’s still a message and I want it understood.
When you want to post or speak, sometimes hold back you should.
I learned that from KOHELES, the end of perek yud!.
Regarding virtual beverages (part 2)
When a funny punny repartee came into a mod’s head
Because he judged the OP troll he plotted seeing red.
I’ll get him with my funnies, HA, he’ll wish he stayed in bed.
He wants to cause some trouble here? he’ll deal with me instead.
-So that post got mods approval and he let it start a thread
-Cause that funny punny repartee could not be left unsaid.
But things were going way too fast I noticed with a wince.
Much LH got onto the web without a wash or rinse.
A poster even said he’d ___ his words he didn’t mince.
(May have sobered up next day, he hasn’t posted since!)
-It’s this that clouds my day since then, this wasn’t kept at bay.
-Oh that playful label fable, it caused me this dismay!
One wrote that I’d misjudged, I just didn’t get the joke.
For Popa’s is not Eighty, yeah that’s some other bloke.
He says he is he says he’s not. It’s just his liddle kiddle.
you can not tell which one is right. Supposed to be a riddle.
But matters none if he’s the one who let the LH through.
It’s open on the web, you see, for everyone to view.
The lurkers here of every stripe are sure to think it true.
A scandal on the internet. A threat to every Jew!
Regarding virtual beverages (part 1)
There’s a fable on the label
of the playful playful place you share
For the brew imbibed here’s stronger
and the walls, there are none there.
The fable seems so real we think there’s only we few here.
We’re shmoozing in a private place with nothing but good cheer.
I know there’s no real coffee here nor whiskey wine nor beer.
Yet somehow the effects the same, mysterious but clear.
The coffee serves to keep you up and posting when its late.
the whiskey makes you loosen up and not fear to relate.
But it’s risky to drink whiskey with a story to withhold.
You warm up with your friends(you think)
and soon the secrets told.
With the caffiene and the alcohol you say some things youll rue.
Its that playful lable fable. Sometimes we think its true.
To aproudbyg
I am just an occasional lurker here now and hardly lurk or post,
but i felt I had to say I am somewhat less worried about you than you yourself and some others here are.
why?
Because you wrote the wise words:,
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but i know i will pass it all eventually.
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Just keep with that and continue on in the right path. hatzlocho rabba!
Got it. Thank you.
What I wrote about shochetim saying it I had read in sefer simla chadasha. (the review sefer constantly studied by shochetim. I am not a shochet, but enjoyed perusing it.) It was clear the they were in practice saying it, so they must have relied that it was muttar.
but some were being told to say it after the bracha thus creating the shaila.
SAM2 WROTE:”
Nitpicker: I believe there is a T’shuvas Harosh that says that the black stone is Assur to put in a shul, but not Avodah Zarah. And the Ran clearly disagrees with your statement (R’ Ovadia’s explanation cited above notwithstanding).
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Please explain. I don’t understand this at all. I thought there was only one black stone, a relic found in mecca. you cannot put that one in a shule, it is not available.
also, which statement of mine does the ran clearly disagree with? I was not sure what you meant.
there are mixed questions here:
1) is the practice of islam avodah azarah?
2) even if not, may one enter a mosque
one reason for considering islam avodah zara has to do with the black stone of mecca, which may have or may not have been actually worsipped at one time. and who knows for sure what its status is today. however on the face of it, the muslims do not worship the stone.
discussed in halacha is the problem that the muslims in some countries required the shochet to pronounce kal kabir (which means the same as the phrase quoted above. and I think it is that phrase they were actually required to say).
the quetions revolved around whether it is a hefsek if said after the bracha. not if it avodah zarah.
About the supposed quote from Rav Shlomo Zalman z”l
I believe your are referring to (and misquoting) a psak that was about a public and I think internationally known chillul hashem.
I hope no one posts the details.
The question was not ‘is someone who is mekadesh his daughter a rasha?’ the story was much more complex than that.
but of course by the time it gets to the coffee room it becomes,
Rav SZ said ….
btw this was one of his last psak, He was niftar soon after.
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Popa wrote
“I am sorry you were fooled.”
Am not sure who the YOU in that sentence refers to.
If it refers to me, I wasn’t.
to poppa.
” after a few years”
and when you posted your join-up date as though that was some kind of proof that I was a moron and liar (though it was irrelevant in any case), was that…
Aw what is the use. Clowns are incorrigible.
it is not a silly mistake.
he said so.
if it was a joke, i took him at his word.
how can I let you know?
I don’t want to post it for all to see.
You can post it, and we will see it. Write something like DO NOT APPROVE THIS POST at the top.
In any event, I’m signing off now -95
(and it was a joke, and in context they probably thought everyone would understand that. Or at least, I think it was a joke, and in context I understood that.)
I am sorry for bumping this up but I have to add something
1) poppa is a mod.
2) to those of you who are guessing what I was mad about it was not his bad joke. I even understood the point of it. No it was the thread. amazing it got through, and having gotten through that it was not later deleted. dreadful dangerous stuff.
I cannot mention what it is was because I don’t want to draw attention to it, and I certainly don’t want it bumped.
So I am in a dilemma.
and to the one who wrote.
” you should think before you post” or something to that effect.
I always do.
actually, as yitayningwut pointed out, you are making a silly mistake based on an old joke between poppa and mod 80. But it’s ok.
If you think something dangerous got through, why don’t you let us know, and we’ll take a look at it.
forget about curses. think halacha. ask lor.
to derech.
we are.
by now even he knows but wont admit it, that he should never have let that stuff through. I think he only allowed it so that he could get in his own vulgar, unfunny joke.
I appeal to any other mod that can do so, please please delete that stuff. I hope you know which discussions I mean because I will not mention them
to zeeskite.
yes you are.
I thought you had realized that from something you wrote elsewhere.
pba wrote
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You are a first class retard. I did nothing of the sort.
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and such comments are supposed to be agains the rules here.
but of course, they dont apply to you.
to chacham. nothing really, since he didnt give me a reason and I didnt give him a reason. however, it occured in an exchange about the appropriateness of a certain thread. I thought at the time that he agreed with me and voted against for the same reason I had, for fear of such threads. the thread was immediately closed, and I assumed that he had closed it. whatever. I dont remember If he allowed my post complaining or even if I asked that it not be posted. I could check since I do remember the topic.
it doesnt matter.
popa wrote in a fit of total non-logic.
You are a moron. Only a moron lies when the evidence is clear that he is lying.
If you look at my profile, you will see when I joined.http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/popa_bar_abba January 2 2008. (chanuka out shabbos). The CR is much older than that.
Good riddance of you, is what I say.
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it is totally irelevant when you joind. obviously you didnt join before the coffee room existed. there was a poll on the face of ywn. I voted against. you told me you had also. perhaps you did. perhaps you didnt. your words are worthless.
to logician.
about maybe he does remember.
indeed.
to logician
apologize to whom?
this has nothing to do with a personal slight. I wasnt even involved. or perhaps you wrote before I did and didnt mean me.
I still dont think an apoligy can be metaher the CR.
you are the liar. that’s the problem with being a liar. you have to remember what you said. I do remember the exact context.
since you have said many time that you are a liar, and have also deomostrated it, why would people believe you now.
ok the day is over and now I am out of here too.
I may still reply to a post directed to me or comment on something I find particularly outragous, if I see it. will not lurk that much.
I felt so helpless to stop what was going on recently.
I am still in shock and disbelief. I guess many people are just very stupid.
Before the CR was started, a poll was taken as to whether it was a good idea. I voted against. Popa claimed to have done so as well. HA. can’t believe a word he says. (he admits to that.)
ok, rabbannim can disagree. people I trust have always told me otherwise.
to think first:
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Personally, I never published any or thought of it.
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Of course you have.
do you really think posting here is not publishing?
good luck to you and your poetry.
and may all posters on all threads realize that what they post
is being published.