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Oomis,
I do not understand the point of your story. There a thousands of stories of yidden who helped people who did not even say hello to them every morning. Or were even nasty to them. And those same jews were not murduring others at the same time.
And I don’t know what type of impression you make, but I find your assumption that Yidden are pushy to be both offensive and untrue.
I find that it is certainly much less so than the general population that I see in the city and using public transportation on a regular basis.
Charlie,
Your story does not prove anything unequivocally. Nowhere does it say that it was a kiddush hashem.
I wonder why you suppose that you no more than the rishonim who do agree with you.
You may prefer your understanding, but that hardly makes it unequivocal.
There is a long standing bias to accept the words of doctors over the words of our gedolim. A doctor may well be useless in this situation and have absolutely no neemanus while two plain Yiddelech off the street can make the difference.
I do not have to expound on what type of people I am referring to.
Wolf,
You say “It can easily be determined via medical exam if the hairs are present”
Why a medical exam? What makes that any better? Is the Doctor a shomer torah umitzvos? Why does it have to be medical? If it is an issue, two Jews who are gedolim can look and say eidus, no need, or benefit for that matter, for a medical exam.
The best site would be your local Beis Medrash. It will have all the materials you seek.
Itche,
I guess you just proved my point.
Indeed, somehow Charlie equates learning halachos that any beis yaakov student or yeshiva bochur learns as being part f the rabbinate.
I think that defines what he thinks is the rabbinate. And if that is the rabbinate, what do those who are not of the rebbinate know of halacha?
Oy
Her point was, did it have to mention that the young child was castrated or not. It is factual and adds to the story, does it have to printed in a publication that is meant to be read by children. Does a child have to know the exact torture performed? Why?
And I believe it is a valid point she is raising. It is not neccesary to expose children to every detail of every horror, even though, unfortunately it does exist.
There are sugyos in the gemara as well parts of Nach that are not taught to younger children just because they are too young.
Hanab’s seems to be concerned that she chose this publication because she felt that she did not have to read it before providing to her children, that the editors have edited that it appropriate for young yeshiva children as well. She has now feels that she cannot do so and has to read to verify that it is not more graphic and descriptive than she feels is appropriate for her children.
For alll those who are concerned about keeping ones head in the sand, I assume that even you have some scruples and have preferences what your children read at what age. And, if you are responsible parents, do not provide age innapropriate publications to children.
Perhaps those who are most clueless about her concerns are those who have not had to consider being a responsible parent.
Charlie says: ” The people who insist on doing it today are meikel on pikuach nefesh. “
Of course Charlie knows better than the real poskim including R Moshe Feinstein.
I dont know of a real posek who concurs with your view.
Charlie,
That was an unproven allegation by a less than honorable person with an ax to grind and no ne’emanus. He has been known to spread falsehoods regarding metzizah b’peh in the past. (Besides a number of other falsehoods as well).
But like I saw a poster comment on another site regarding this issue. The weather in SF is nicer than New York. And therefore there is nothing wrong with them trying to outlaw milah.
Your comment about the dangers of mila should really specify that the most complications come from those who use the a clamp when doing mila. It is a known contributor of complications including amputation. Besides for causing significant additional pain to the baby.
There many less complicataions from mohalim doing metzizah b’peh than there are with mohalim using clamps.
Wolf,
You aren’t living up to your name.
Not the lawyer or broker. However the mortgage closer, if there was one usually gets a tip.
Charlie,
The poster was not talking about different yeshivas and selecting one over the other. The question was between Brik and Harvard.
How does the fact that there are other yeshivos have anything to do with the question?
Perhaps you can elucidate.
I understand it. Two points for the comment funniest I’ve read on this site.
The old standard was the three “F’s”. Food, family and philosophy.
And the story that goes along with that is,
Boy takes out a girl he wsas told to speak about the three Fs.
He asks, do you have a brother, she says no
He asks, do you like meatballs, she says no.
So then he asks, If you had a brother, would he like meatballs.
And he covered all the Fs.
Shedready,
Do you have a dog?
Do you have a car?
You say “the shulchan aurach say you can walk your dog with a leash in a risish horabim on shobbos and it is not considered carrying.” Once we get past all the misspellings and garbled language, can you cite the where? (Other than saying you saw it 0n the web.)
You also say that there were 33 million deaths for 250 million cars.
By that stat, after almost 8 years, everyone in the US should be dead. Obviously, your “stats” are entirely made up.
And I love how you quote yourself as a basis for statistics.
There are a myriad of reasons why people do not have a dog. There is no mitzvah, or chiyuv to have a dog. There are alot of halachic issues one would have to deal with that can well be a disincentive to have a dog. Besides the mess and the cost associated with them.
Your most brilliant dissertation values dogs greater than humans (Where you mention pets that have gone into fires when humans wouldn’t). Perhaps in your case that is correct. And we know that there was a very evil philosophy that held them same. But most civilzed people do not feel that way. And it certainly is not the Torah way. (Torah, is the guide that jews live by. In case you have not heard of it before)
This is not the first time there has been this discussion.
And it was noted last time that the people who were saying that yichus is nothing at all, were, understandably those without.
Yichus is not everything, and it is not even the most important thing, in most cases. But it is something that is worthwhile considering. For loads of reasons. Which anyone with an ounce of sense can understand.
“As is the lack of sidewalks.”
What lack of sidewalks?
What are you saying?
What does this have to do with school board elections?
GAW,
So you read it in the Forward?? Therein lies the explanation for your misunderstanding.
The Forward’s is a tax-exempt entity (No I do not know why) whose raison-detre seems at complete odds with its stated purpose as reported on its 990. Besides that their pieces are full documented fallacies.
SJS,
Busing is mandated. In fact, busing is mandated for all school children in NYS. Municipalities that have populations greater than 100,000 can modify who would get busing based on distance.
The WSJ article specifically notes that busing is mandated. Not courtesy.
It is the anti-yeshiva crowd at the Urinal News that always tries to argue that he yeshiva students should not be eligible for busing because of sepration of Church and State.
of course that is an incorrect argument because busing is not religious services or instruction at all and is a separate mandate for students.
GAW,
Suddenly there has to be proof the other way? You are alleging that the yiddin did an avala and they have to prove to YOU that they didn’t?
1) When did you become a ba’al dovor?
2) There is a legal concept called, Innocent until proven guilty, which you appear to ignore.
3) Not even going to expnad on the rechilus.
4) There was a closed bid process. The person who had been running the board at that time was far from a friend of the chasidim.
5) There were a lot of limitations to who could even purchase the property and what tt could be used for, which seriously reduced themarketability. It could not be used for development. It had to be a not for profit and I believe it had to remain a school. There was thus a very limited market and valuations that the Perverse are using would be for developable land. And they are against developing anyway, so it would have a much decreased market.
GAW,
Shlishi is correct. In fact making that comment indicates either a lack of factual knowledge or specific identification with Perverse Ramapo.
Charlie,
It would never help merging the districts. Not one of them has taxes any where in that realm. It is the unions that are keeping the expenses high. They get increases beyond what the economy as a whole is supporting and benefits that burden many generations. (Just like the democrat fiscal policies). They cannot be afforded now and they will be added to future costs.
People are willing to pay more to live outside New York, but that does not mean they should let themselves be taxed without representation.
BTW, were you to pay taxes, would the city income tax be more than real estate taxes? There is no city income tax in Rockland, which exists in NYC.
Wolf,
For someone so busy, you seem to have posted an inordinate amount of posts motzei YT.
To Charliehall,
That’s terrible.
I really don’t thinks its your business.
APY,
It is not just the name and product sold. There is a lot more than that still visible on the sign.
If you think the sign was for the public school children, you must be smoking something. The pictures were not of little kids and children’s clothing. Or even young teens.
Zahavasdad,
Where is the tznius sign in KJ? IN KJ. Do you see why it is impossible to compare the two? They did not put the sign in Woodbury to offend people. The bochurim did not go to the Village to spray the sign.
Such language is often the result of not stopping for a moment to think what you are about to say and thus need to fill the empty space with a meaningless filler word.
Truth is, looking at the sign, I do not think there is even damage to H&M, rather, these bochurim probably did them a big favor.
The ad is still there. It still says H&M. You can still tell that they sell clothing. the difference is that the offensive part is covered.
people who may have turned away before from observing the ad now can look at it. (This is especially poignant for all the brilliant commenters who say, why do people have to look. The sign is there, should tpeople have to stumble on the streets of thier neighborhoods because someone would like to put untzinuyus things all over?)
So lets observe what the result is:
1) The ad is still there and still says H&M.
2) Had a tarp been spread, even H&M would be unvisible
3) More people can now actually look at the ad, because the non-tzniyus portions are covered, thus increasing viewership.
These bochurimactually did H&M a big favor. And if H&M had yashrus, they should actually pay them for expanding the potential market the ad can reach.
Charlie,
there are many such mitzvos, to destroy property even when it is not yours. Psilei elohayhem tisrifun baeish. Matzeyvosayhem tishaberun. And so on, many, many such.
And there is also a concept of matzilin oison.
So you are totally wrong.
It does say in pirkie avos “al tarbeh sicha im haesha”. Is there anything inherently wrong? Probably not, however, from what I have seen, conversations about shidduchim lead to much tangential converstion. And such a relationship between singles, without intention of any tachlis can lead to trouble (certainly can play on frustrations).
There is a much talked about concept of an “office wife” (not referring to any illicit behaviour), which defines a close office relationship that is not in synch with a Torah haskafah and gedarim that the chachamim have established, for those who are concerned with living with a Torah haskafah. Obviously not everyone considers such a haskafa important, but that is for you to consider.
TBT,
No bone, just wondering why the silly comment.
If the person is ready to accept the minhagim, kol hakovod, however it can very well be a reason not to get involved. And the differences betweeen an Ashkenazy and Sefaradi are much greater that differences between diffierent chasidus. And that difference too is considered.
To say “why not” shows a lack of understanding in the different mesoros. It is not a matter of one being right and another being wrong, but they are different. And there are a number of cultural differences as well. These are all valid reasons why someone would not go out with Sefardi, Ashkenazy or Chosid and so on. And all that is obvious to anyone who appreciates mesorah.
I am not saying there cannot be fantastic shidduchim, however, it is not for everyone andi s not something that you shake off with “why not”.
Chucky,
Who says the food is better? You cannot interpolate your poor experiences to rest of the population.
And why not date a sefardi? It depends how much mesorah means to you? Would it bother someone to make such drastic changes. That is besides any other differences that may exisit that would preclude a shidduch.
Perhaps someone who has no mesorah, or makes it up as they go along would ask why not, but for most people there can be very well established reasons not to go out with a sefardi and vice versa as well.
Would you go out with a chasiddish person? Someone from Meah Shearim?
So guys, you heard it hear first, and straight from the wolf’s mouth. Wolf’s intentions are not pure.
Wolf,
“MO covers a *wide* range of observance”
Or a lack thereof.
However, it was not my point that *all* MO do so, rather that there is a significant portion of those self identifying as MO that do refer to eating in a non kosher restaurant as “eating out”.
Contrary to some posters who feel that their experience is the only experience.
I was asking the OP to clarify the question because of the alternative meaning assigned to the term used. And which has a very significant bearing on the question and responses thereto.
Charlie,
this may come as a surprise to you, your experiencesand not proof of anything. I was relating what was accepted as the norm in a large NY MO school.
What do you mean by “eating out”. I have learnt that by modern orthodox, “eating out” has a very different meaning than what chareidim mean when they say eating out.
I heard this from someone who was a new Rebbi in a MO school. He was surprised to see that the students were shocked to hear that this rebbi would “eat out” in a restaurant with his wife. His surprised was removed when it was explained that eating out meant eating fish in non-kosher restaurants.
Apparently it was not uncommon, but they saw that their Rebbi was not MO, and surprised that he would “eat out”.
He quickly corrected their misunderstanding about where he would eat.
However, I think you have to define what you mean by “Eating out” for the many non chareidi posters.
Wolf,
Your shabbos must have an interesting tzurah if those are your minhagim.
(Keeping in mind the kedusha of minhag Yisroel)
How would your neighbor describe you?
Wolf,
the question was put out to the general public to answer as they understand the both terms. If you do not want to answer, or do not have an answer don’t.
Deflections like yours above do not add anything to the conversation.
Depends on the day of the week. Depends if they know what “Shabbos” means. (Or like the joke goes, if they know what “good” means.) But definitely not to dogs or cats.
SJS,
You are making assumptions that have no basis. You have absolutely no idea whether these parents can pay more or not. You know the old saying about assuming. I will not participate in your assumption. I will stay with the facts. There are numerous cases for whom it is not possible to get more funding. And Rabbi Shapiro’s departure does not seem to lay primarily with his own compensation.
Ofcourse,
To quote you “I love the smell of money. Hee hee.” This seems to clearly explain your position throughout the comments.
SJSinNYC,
I do not understand what your two comments have to do with each other.
Do you think he should or should not receive chodesh l’shana?
BYBP is a community school and took that responsibility seriously, they would accept students even when there was no way of getting paid.
I would suspect that the overwhelming majority of those receiving scholarships cannot pay more and this is the school that accepted upon itself the responsibility to make sure that all children recieve a proper education.
I am not saying it was not first choice school for many, but the school also accepted those students that were not first choice for other schools for reasons including finances.
I dont get the feeling that R Shapiro’s issue was primarily his getting paid. Much more that he felt that there he could not remain and follow the directives of the Board.
AlwaysHere,
Your’s is a very moving story, however this story is not about BYBPHS. The two schools are unrelated.
Should someone who is not in kollel and is at or below the level to recieve food stamps, should they use them or not?
Well, at least that’s a clear answer.
Would the Moderator or Editor care to identify which one is actually adding the bolded remarks so if a commenter wishes to address the bolded remarks, it can be directed to the correct individual.
No
I am wondering who is writing the comments in bold at the bottom of some comments. It does not appear to be written by the person whose name the comment is associated with.
Either a Moderator or the Editor himself