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What is clear is that you can say about these the opposite of ” eilu v’eilu …”
The linfer this thread continues, the more my earlier point is proven.
147,
After you finish deciding what should or should not be halacha and what is correct, perhaps you can explain who buries a person in a shul. Is that one of your new halachos?
The title of the thread was about phones in shul, your own rant was about who can have a phone in shul, according to you and then you say how terrible it is to have a phone in shul because it rings when they are in the middle of burying someone. So I ask you, who buries someone in shul?
For the same reason that they wear a kittel, because that is their minhag.
If you have a question about your minhag, ask your father or someone who has told you what your minhagim are.
People who overly focus on made up eco mitzvios for the most part have the established mitzvas in der erd.
Ungefeift,
In our communities there are many many asifas for shmeriars halshon and many classes and initiatives.
Perhaps you are referring to the same people who made leitzonus from the internet asifa are the same who make letzonus of all the established shmiras haloshon asifas and initiatives.
Wolf,
“I guess that means that I’m a sinner for disregarding the Arizal and davening Nusach Ashkenaz.”
Probably your biggest sin is disregarding the fifth chelek of shulchan oruch.
I would suspect that no one responded because it is a totally inane question.
Such “what if” questions are childish. And if you were using it to try to prove a point, it proves no point.
ZD,
Ulefi shehotzi atzmo min haklal, kofar beikur.
IS,
And yet it is the chareidim who express concern for these mitzvos. Unlike other groups who think their outdated and not modern enough for them.
Eli,
What type of Asifa do you want there to be about tuition? Do you want to tell parents they should pay, I am sure you will still gripe about paying. Do you want to talk about the high price? That depends on the community. The people who send to the highest priced schools are the ones the least likely to go to an asifa to listen to rabbonim. Vdal.
All of your issues are for the most part individual issues, not affecting everyone and as such are more appropriate for individual attention rather than a communal gathering.
You sound like the ” counter demonstrators” to the Asifa, they would not listen to anything any Rov says regardless of the message, venue or presenter. Are you of the same hypocritical mindset?
So Zdad, based on your qualifications you will be going tomorrow. No one is forcing you to go, you will have the opportunity to hear inspiring speakers of a caliber that you have not before. And at $10, the price is exceptionally reasonable. You would pay more to watch some uncouth, arrogant people running after a little ball at the same venue.
It’s like the reform temple that decided they would be shomer Shabbos. They closed for Shabbos.
Wolf no one thinks that wearing jeans makes you an apikorus.
It’s a converse relationship. Because you are an apikorus you are wearing jeans.
Simple logic.
Like this was a HUGE surprise. I am pretty sure that if it were up to him, there would be a box on the 1040 to tick off to allow such “couples” and additional exemption even beyond regular married filing jointly.
Wolf,
Excellent chinuch. I am sure you follow through an berate her for not being a bas talmid chochom.
147,
I find it ironic, at the least, that you are so insistent on what the Mesorah for “over a millenium” and you are incensed that someone would change and yet you consider Yom Haatzmauat, a holiday started by the secular government of Israel, to be a legitimate yom tov.
If you will look at any yeshiva budget, (I am not referring to the MO Schools which charge between two and three times what yeshivos in Brooklyn or its surrounding areas charge, they have a whole different model) you will see that the tuition chrged does not cover even the average costs. A large portion has to come from elsewhere.
Bottom line is, your tuition is likely not even covering the costs to educate your own children, let alone other’s children.
Mr. Wolf,
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?
Oomis,
Zahavasdad has an issue with people keeping a minhag that they have from their father. Because he thinks he is smarter than those people’s fathers who accepted the minhag. So there are two issues here, people who follow the me spray have what to rely on Nd are. Or saying that they know better, they are following established
Minhag. The same is true for those who don’t have the minhag. But zdad is bothered by someone keeping their own minhag. And he has never posted anything here that indicates any level of genius at all. Look at his two earlier posts, they were beyond simple. As in the third son.
MDG,
I do not believe your story. For a couple of reasons.
1) I have been to a number of bakeries in America and none of them had a goy kneading the dough. In fact where I was, there were no non-jews working at all and one of the bakeries had yeshiva bochurim or regular chasidish women rolling, depending on the shift. And that is besides the kneading. So it is clear that not most use non jews.
2) I do not believe that the owner would tell you such a thing unless he thought you were a nudnik, which very well may be the case. Why would an owner pasul his own matzos.
The only place I could even fathom this beiing the case maybe that one year they baked in Romania a couple of years ago. However the large machine bakeries are mostly staffed by non-jews. I wonder which one has the kavanah lishmah.
S, either you made up your story out of whole cloth, or you are repeating as fact what someone was kidding you about.
Zahavasdad,
You said “There is no madate for me to PAY for your “Chumras”
If you insist on not eating it, the food costs more money , Why should I pay for it”
Very simple, go to a different hotel. No one is making you go to a place that is gebrochts only. And it is somewhat amusing/ ironic that someone going to a hotel is crying about the alleged price increase because of gebrochts.
Then you ask a couple of earth shateringly simple questions. Are you really that devoid of halachic knowledge?
And why does it bother you if people keep a minhag of gebrochs, no one is making you do anything.
You want to eat gebrockts, go ahead. Perhaps your issue is that you have no respect for mesorah. You are certainly not smarter than any single person who keeps the minhag of gebrokts.
Zahavasdad,
What do you have to say now. R Shmuel says that the quote on the (not)Jewish Week was a fabrication. They put together disparate parts of a conversation. Effectively they lied.
Which makes sense. That they lied and that this was could not be the opinion of R Shmuel. It is inconsistent with what he has said in the past, it was inconsistent with his father’s shitah and i
What is and was done in YTV and with the hakpodos of the Alter of Slabodka.
Only if succesful.
147,
Commebnted that MO are very busy with two major holidays, completely ignoring Pesach and Shavuos.
His post was the offensive one. Talk about tofel and ikur.
Haftarah on Yom Haatzmaut? Complete leitzonus.
Comparing Pesach to Yom Hatzmaut, complete apikorsus. And too phrase it the you have, that Pesach haftorah is like Yom Hatzmaut? They copied pesach from what a few misguided individuals do? Boy are you farrikt.
And the geulah of Pesach led to Mattan Torah, Yom Hatzmaaut led to kefiras hatorah, L”A.
And the rest of his comparisons are just silly drivel. We do not pasken like Beis Shamai. ANd Bais Shamai’s opinion did not make Chanukah Kneged Sukkos. Utter foolishness.
147,
Why do you say the MO completely ignore Pesach and Shavuos? You know, when we became a Jewish nation and when we received the Torah. What are genreally considered the seminal events by Orthodox jews?
Why are you ascribing such apikorsus to those who define themselves in some way as orthodox Jews?
Feif,
I have no reason to believe you and frankly, I have no problem not believing you. Saying it’s my problem is just not the case.
Both you and zdad are making the same basic mistake, which is understandable seeing what your position is.
The is a huge difference between stigma being attached to divorce (that is is a terrible thing to happen, even when necessary) and attaching stigma to someone who has gone through a divorce.
If the two of you cannot fathom that, it is your own failing, and an indicator of the different outlooks.
Zdad,
Your latest comment about abuse and loshon hora is beyond childish and stupid.
A ger would not have historical minhagim, and would dependd which kehilla he joined. If he would join the Gerrer kehilla, then he would keep the minhagim of Gur.
Feif un,
I do not think your comment answered avhaben’s questions.
Zdad,
Perhpas the reason why there are so many more divorces in the MO community is because there is no stigma attached. At a whim, it’s on to the next.
I hardly think that is more respectful.
Feif,
Frankly I have no reason to believe hat you said. I can form my opinions from direct observation though.
14.
First you mutliply, thaen you do the addition and subtraction. (Unless the string was in parenthesis)
Fief,
You are being deliberatly obtuse. Chasidim have very normal relationships with their spouses. You bigotry is showing. Perhaps one would say that MO only marry money and appearance, other neccesities they take care of elsewhere.
How would that generalization fly?
To Zdads analogy to buying a car,
What about if you had done all your research and spent hundreds of hours figuring out just what you want in a car and which car and what it should look like and how it should perform and what specifically you need a car for, and then you pick out a car. Then you go to the showroom to look at a car exactly like that. How much time do you then need to close the deal, perhaps a quick test drive to see if it is what you think it is based on your research. The test drive will be much more focused and to the point.
On the other hand, if you do not do the research before and just take cars for a test drive, how do you know you are going to get whats best for you? Or even what you need.
More and Simcha 613,
Severely buthchering the posuk or the memra does not lend strength to your claim.
In addition, I do not think smoking is a sakanah. It is unhealthy, but I do not think that is the definition of sakanah.
There are big nafka minas l’halacha if something is a sakana.
For all the cranks, I am not saying muttar or ossur, but it is important to define why and not just use visceral reactions to say if and why.
Little knowing one,
Please provide sources for all.
Yes, as has been proven from past experience.
Zahavasdad,
You say “if you asked your Rov he would not tell you”. This says more about your realtionship with a Rov than anything else.
If you even have one.
What you say is completely false for anyone who has a Rov.
This also explains your posts in general.
To prove my previous point,
Here you have Zahavasdad quoting Haaretz.
From bad to worse.
Rule one, do NOT rely on anything you read on a blog.
There are ways to get accurate, pertinent information, a blog is not the way.
The people involved should speak to their moreh derech and the shadchan to clarify the issues.
Wolf,
I didn’t say you were drunk, just perpetually in a state of lo yada.
Which you just emphasized with your response.
You are only complaining because it is the Siyum. If it were a rock and roll concert or a sporting event, you would not have an issue.
These are the general charges by the box office.
This is very appropriate for Purim, because the nes came after
“lech knos es KOL hayuhidim” and the point of this post is further division.
Most of the commenters hear actually sound like they are from participants of Achashveirosh’s seuda.
Wolf,
I do not think you have to be to worried about reaching ad d’lo yada on Purim, you seem to be in that state perpetually. You must be a big machmir.
I have found that some of the much more expensive schools have a “wonderful” secular program, but the students seem to be missing many of the basic limudei kodesh knowledge. Students seem to graduate with less knowledge than third graders in a chasidish yeshiva have.
My observation is anecdotal, of course, but it would seem to me that there is a far greater difference in the level of leimudei kodesh between the two schools than there was in the secular studies. And the tuition was a six times more in the not chassidish school.
I have never seen a peanut climb one step, let alone 50 flights.
More,
Based on your fairly horrible attitude, I can hardly believe that you could do anything positive with kids at risk.
I would be more ready to believe that you might be their supplier, than beliveing you have anything positive to provide. You sound a lot like a footseps type of guy.
Wolfie,
You are wrong. The question was about copying music, not taking the actual CD. And thus there is no “hard” item taken. What has been taken does not have intrinsic value.
A circular was used to emphasize, but copying the CD is not at all like taking a newspaper, perhaps it “may” be like reading a newspaper at a stand. But even less, because the singer is gaining name recognition which is a major part of making the CD.
Wolf,
It is not really comparable to newspapers. The analogy would be to an advertising circular. The CDs are what make the singer popular, thus making him valuable for gigs, chasunahs aor concerts, where the money is.
I am not saying copying is muttar, I am not a Rov. But I am saying that your analogy is poor.
Alistair Maclean is a good author.