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Perhaps he was an avel who cannot say hello?
Zdad,
You have no clue.
The catholic schools are supported by the diocese and they are controlled by the diocese. There is no endowment. Funds come from the investments that the church has (look at Trinity church, one of the biggest landlords in downtown Manhattan). They also collect from their members. Will you be willing to pay to a communal organization a tax on top of tuition? The schools charge tuition as well.
If a yeshiva would put aside for an endowment, I am sure that you would be questioning how they used that as well.
And are you setting aside the funds for that? I thought you were complaining about the people who give for plaques? All the endowments are named chairs.
While it would be nice to have an endowments, funding those is pushing off on to others. On top of that, these universities are still charging $50,000 a year tuition. Look at all your fellow OWS people complaining about that.
GAW,
It is not those people who are asking for information. They actually see the issues and step up to the plate.
It is all the back seat drivers posting here that I was referring to.
One of the mosty misinformed posts here in quite a while. And that takes some doing.
1) Schools need buildings. That is a fact. If there were not someone dedicating a good portion, schar limud would be even higher.
2) Who do you think picks up much of the budget shortfall for so many yeshivos as it is. The same gvirim. Without the plaques and all. Apparantly the posters have no inkling of the amount of tzedakah that is given by some of the gvirim and hom many mosdos and cause they support. There are individuals who give many, many millions of dollars a year, and much more than ma’aser and even chomesh.
I can’t believe the uttter audacity of posters here with their demands.
And these are people who are helping the yeshivos that do not charge annual tuitions of $25,000 per year (those schools also have budget shortfalls), but tuitions that are a quarter of that amount. It is only because of the geneosity of these donors that tuitions are as low as they are as it is.
You want to see the books of schools? Sure, if you would help dealls with all the crinches. Not for you to sit there and second guess every single difficult decision the hanhalah had to make and to go ahead and talk about all sort sof provate information on the street (You know who gets what, aho has problems paying tuition, vchulu). Because that is what happens with many of these “back seat” suggesters when someone takes them at their word that they want to help.
And I am talking from specific knowledge from more than one yeshiva.
Wolf,
**You** said, and I quote “So, does the guy get a refund on the six unused months?”
Which clearly means two things.
1) The six months were unused;
2)The person is entitled to a refund.
Two which I wondered how you were so big to make those two cheshbonos. Which **you** clearly feel you are big enough to make.
Nowhere did I say that any thing that would translate to ” Did you see me *demand* that he get a refund”.
You are very quick to twist peoples questioning your statements.
As if you are not, and cannot be wrong. I wonder what such an attitude is called?
You defined it as “a stupid apikores deviant pervert who deserves to be locked up and shot at dawn”.
Whether that is is or is not true, I have no idea, but that is not how I would characterize your attitude, those charming traits may be on top of what appears to me. But I have no way of knowing that.
is that before or after l’dovid?
To the intelligence-impaired.
You see clearly from YD siman 242 and 251 that there is a difference.
But your assertion was that you base a halachic decision on odds. Thus you have to show where that is a halachic basis for a halachic decision.
That is irrelevant to your assertion.
You made an assertion and I asked for the source, which you conceded does not exist.
Wolf,
In your recent post you wondered if the person will get a refund. Do you know the cheshbonos of HKB”H to aver that there is a refund due?
I am glad to see that you are on that madreiga, I do not feel I am that great to even think I could make such a cheshbon.
Wolf,
You cannot Assert that it is logic, if you have not considered the basis in Halacha. Until you understand the logic behind the Halacha you cannot extrapolate to other circumstances.
So at this point it was really an emotional response, not a logical response. That is why I asked for the halachic basis.
Besides, you are a funny one to take issue with something going slightly off topic.
Wolf,
you say “* and then, I’d say that you save the TC only if saving him is more certain or of equal chance. If, however, you have only a 10% of saving the TC and a 90% of saving the regular yid, you go for the regular yid.”
What is your source for this? Halachic.
live and let live.
If they walk out, then they are not in the shul any more to be in conflict with minhag hamokom.
And in general, shev ve’al ta’aseh is different.
Wolf,
I apologize. As you so succinctly told us, you are the biggest anav around
Zaidy 78,
You are not a sheigetz for not knowing of the reason people have the minhag of braiding with six or using 12 challos.
Lechem Mishnah, which is based on how the mon fell, is Halacha. This is a minhag that coincides with the Halacha and seeks to bring the zechus and Brocha of the Lechem hapanim to the Shabbos table.
However you may be a sheigetz based on your disdain of a beautiful minhag. Perhaps the problem is that you are lacking in the understanding and appreciation of other people and their minhagim. Particularly when they are focusing on infusing the mundane with something sublime.
And it is not just a little ga’avah on your behalf and Wolf’s as well that you feel that only what you do is correct, any who does more is crazy. Every time someone mentions a minhag or Halacha that the certain people are unaware of or decide to ignore you know who gets their knickers ion a twist and they express their horror and disdain. It would seem that they are about to have a rupture. It is easier to let people be and it actually be satisfying to learn something.
People who understand the reason behind braiding were kind enough to share a reason for that minhag. They are not forcing you or Wolf to do so. I doubt they will ever be at your table for you to even be concerned that your sensibilities would be so offended ( and seeing how you are so dismissive of others hanhagos, it is not surprising that they would forgo just such a “pleasure”).
Wolf,
It is simple, you have no such minhag. You just “like” a braid of three. The OP asked a reason for the minhag and you responded from left field.
I think that enough of clarification for this time. .
Wolf,
Since,apparently you have a minhag to braid challah, and to use three braids, would you share the reason for your minhag.
You seem to be offended by the reason offered by RebRy, perhaps you can afford a more profound reason, and not resort to the mundane.
“Yichusdik”,
You were the one who brought up alleged differences in frum. I quote you fro
above “upon him ( Lipman) and the chardal and moderate frum community”. It was you who made the distinctions. And I thus wondered if you believe that his remarks were directed specifically to those you associated him to.
As far as hashkofos being in line with Ner Yisroel, you tell me that he and Amsalem have the same or similar agendas. I do not believe those are in line with the hashkofos of Ner Yisroel. You cannot convince me that R Aharon Feldman would consider those hashkafos in line with the Yeshiva’s to put it mildly.
Another clue is his focus on speaking ivrit as a key part of limudai kodesh. To the extent that it should push away gemarah learning almost in entirety.
And I disagree with you about some one who defines himself as a political activist. And it would seem that his actions support my understanding as does his little article on education.
Gut Shabbos. Shabbat Shalom.
“Your premise may not be correct. Or rather, it may only be correct in certain communities, in which case any answers that follow would also only apply to those communities.”
Often Rashi says “makshin Ha’olam”, the world asks. Remember how your rebbi explained this?
That applies here as well.
Yichusdik,
Thank you for proving my point.
If in fact you are identifying his contituency as Chardal or moderate frum and being aligned with Amsalem and to the exclusion of regular frum why would people tout that he has smicha from a Frum institution? He has thus clearly divorced his hashkafah from the haskofos of that institution.
Are you saying that his words about a lack of interest in learning and yiddishkeit were then directed solely to the chardal and moderate frum?
As far as the goose and the gander, I think there is a distinct difference because he defined himeself as a polical activist. Which is different even from a politician, way different. It is by definition a rabble rouser. Think of the euphimism “community organizer”. And it in my opinion most certainly precludes him from being a “man deomar” suggesting changes to chinuch.
Zdad,
You say “These are 2 well known stories, Both were in the regular newspapers and you can believe or not believe either of them.” (BTW, I doubt that either are really well known stories, perhaps just in your mind)
Which is in direct contradiction with what you said initially “I am sure the same people who are calling this a “Bubba Meinser” are the same people who claim the Fish in Monsey talked.”
Perhaps Bubbe Meisner confused you with some of her Grandson’s excellent fish. Or more likely you ate some old fish didn’t agree with and it talked back.
But you should believe both stories because they are both on the internet, the source of all good things true.
My issue is with someone who is trying to change tried and true education al derech yisroel sabo and defines himeself as a “political activist” . That is his own description.
The teitch of a political activist is most often a rabble rouser.
Bare in mind that political activist is the title he chose for himself.
The answer likely depends on what led to his divorce in the first place. If it was because he is unfit for marriage, quite likely that information will get and he will find it difficult to get remarried.
“There was a story a few years ago about a talking fish in Monsey, I am sure the same people who are calling this a “Bubba Meinser” are the same people who claim the Fish in Monsey talked.”
Your “tzu shtell” should win an award for the most illogical posted.
By the way, what is a Bubba Meinser? Is that a caterer’s grandmother? What terrible thing did she do that you should shlep her in to one of your rants?
He may have semicha from Ner Yisroel but a better test would be to see if Ner Yisroel touts him as one of their musmachim.
There are plenty of people who call themselves musmachim of any number of yeshivos and have since strayed far from the ideals of the yeshivah were they originally achieved simcha. Yes it can be both ways.
What is really telling is a) that he identifies himself as a political activist b) one of his significant concerns is that these kids can’t speak ivrit and thus should cut back on limud gemarah. That hardly seems to coincide with the hashkafos of Ner Yisrael.
The description of the students he seems to be referring to also do not seem to be of the sort that pass through Ner Yisrael or Torah Vodayh or Mir or Chaim Berlin etc. vda”l.
Based on my own experiences and discussions I’ve had with many very experienced melamdim, his suggestions are off base.
Feif,
I have been in Brooklyn for Shabbos a time or two and I have not experienced what you claim to have experienced. Perhaps it is an aura that you exude.
If you exude negativism and mumble under your breath people will be less inclined to wish you a good shabbos.
I do not think you can prove otherwise.
Beauty is skin deep
And there is the logic of Feif. You have not proven that it is true.
Lets clarify something, *you* are *claiming* it is real, I am telling you that it is a lie. A practical joke on Haaretz that played to its biases.
You are the one making the claim and thus it would be you who is required to bring proof.
So there is no need to prove otherwise.
What you have proven is that you are biased and therefore happily swallowed the bait.
I like how you believe anything that is published on the internet. EDITED
Feif un,
Has anyone reported that you have stopped beating your wife?
What a silly expectation. That these places will write how easily they were duped.
Have you found any who has actually seem such glasses. Not one of the outlets or commenters who have reported about these glasses have an iota of credibility. They are all known to manufacture stories out of whole cloth. It is not the least bit surprising that they would be so easily duped by such silly little joke.
See my earlier comment as well.
The story was made up to point out the biases of certain groups. That they will believe a joke that feeds their preconcieved misconceptions. Like a bad plastic worm dangling in front of a fish.
*Somehow* you swallowed the bait.
Perhaps they just did not trust you.
I doubt this is true. I smell a troll.
I heard Getzel may not show because he heard they may say a shtickel gemara and they will not be tossing the old pigskin around.
He was hoping to have a catch with Zdad, but the toirah scared them away.
So Mr. Dad,
Now you are agreeing there is a middle ground? You were averring that it is either the hipsters, or a slob. Well it is not that way. And the overwhelming majority do not dress like slobs.
I won’t tell a person who wears a sport team kippah to remove it, but I do not think it is a kiddush hashem. Nowhere did I advocate telling them that.
And if you are going to comment about appropriate clothing for a blue collar job, you might want to include the part of my comment that is appropriate to that.
When someone goes to shul wearing sweatpants and a tee shirt with his favorite rock band logo, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone has sports team logos painted on his kippah, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone walks out in ripped jeans and a messy tee shirt, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When people wear clothing that leaves much more uncovered than covered, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
A person who walks around with rumpled jeans, would most likely wear a rumpled shirt and pants if he dressed yeshivish. If you compare the two, for davening the white shirt and pants is more appropriate. For cleaning sewers, the jeans are appropriate.
To make rediculous remarks like yours, Mr. Dad, is neither a kiddush Hashem nor a sign of heightened intelligence.
It will help people understand the memes of “haochel bashuk”. And people will appreciate the opportunity to actually see what it looks like.
If you want opposites, how about a picture of you and your hubby on the same wall.
A thread to be proud of. Certainly since it was started on a taanis.
The pesukim and the tefilah that Sealsides posted in in the mamad for yom rishon.
I know that R’ Aryeh Levine’s son (R Refoel Binyomin) would reccomend that people say this to ward off ayin horah. I believe Rebbitzen Kanievsky would also hand out sheets with this printed on it.
I believe it is brought from R Yehuda Hachosid and Rabbeinu Bachya mentions it in Parshas Matos.
Itchy,
We know all about the groups who were overly focused on ivra in the past. Almost to the exception of everything else.
As it happens, the typical kollel yungerleit that I am in contact with have very decent Ivrah. I haven’t met those who can only recite kaddish to the William Tell overture. Yet when I have davened at places which tend to not include yungerleit, it sounds like the soundtrack of the lone ranger. And the Ivrah was nothing to write home about if you wanted to write a nice Letter.
Pompesness does not make you appear intelligent. You are not being successful at faking it.
Goc,
There is a difference between taking a drink and getting drunk. What is the point of your comment?
If you are asking the CR, you are probably not ready to get married. Life will be a series of decisions, the CR is. Of the place for hadracha or advice. If you do not realize that, you are probably not ready for marriage.
I think it is a good moshol. As far as nightmares go, I know that there is much worse stuff that kids in other communities are shown that is way worse. Think of what movies parents bring their children to and what goes on there, both violence and tznius (loshon nekiah)or unfettered and unfiltered internet access. Much much worse as far as nightmares go. And those have no redeeming features at all.
Feif un,
That does not explain why this is considered something that a chasid should go to heck for yet is lchatchila for modern orthodox? So much so that you think this is worthy of being called mussar.
While it is respectful for children to give up their seats for adults, they are at least a hungry after davening.
And some of the adults who are soooo offended by children seating want nothing more than to make sure they get the piece of herring they like.
Why is this specific to Chasidim? What about other Jews who attended? Even if they can not be distinguished from the rest of the crowd?
I unsure how the women in the case of a heter meah rabbonim can be an agunah. A get is held for her to accept by Beis din. The heter is because she does not want to accept the get. Not wanting to accept an available does not make one an agunah, except perhaps by the feminists.
I suppose you skip ” vehivdilonu min hatoim”.
I guess it is as offensive to you as shelo osani isha.
Davening is much shorter because you keep omitting key parts.
There is a very slim chance that there will be a kid rush. As contestants progress they are provided with more assistance which in the case of singers would be accompaniment. Which includes non tznius women singers. If there will such accompaniment, that would be public chilul Hashem. A Kidush Hashem would be if he publicly refused to sing with or shake a women’s hand a say it’s because it’s ossur. In which case I am sure that those who think his appearance alone is a Kidush Hashem will be horrified and claim that the public refusal is chilul Hashem.
Right now this is leaning towards chilul Hashem, like the chilul Hashem of when Mendy and Heidi appearing on tv. ( the other much bigger chilul Hashem in that case was the reaction by some who call them Jewish publicly and loudly violating the Halacha of ” heve Dan Es kol bosom lkaf zechus” and being ever more insistent when it was shown that Heidi was telling the truth. That was the much, much greater chilul Hashem.) I hope nothing of the sort arises such as if he hugs a woman publicly other than his mother and you will have people saying that it’s appropriate.
Zdad,
One would hope there is nothing different. With the candy. But there is definitely a different run with a mashgiach. That costs. Generally there is not a mashgiach there at all times. The extra time for the mashgiach costs and there are those who are along to pay for that.
But you haven’t answered why you are so bothered. No one is making you eat any twist let alone these. Why are you such a bitter person who thinks anything not done exactly the way you like it is terrible. It is terribly haughty of you to think that you are the be all. And if I may let you in on something, you are quite obviously wrong very often.
zahavasdad
It is clearly a different run. They are saving money by just adding a sticker instead of making a whole new package.
And no one is making you eat these twizlers. No one is making you eat any twizlers for that matter. Those who prefer the additional hashgacha are willing to pay for it. They spend money on halchichik hakpados while you spend on narishkeiten.
Vos art du? It is not your money and no one is forcing it on you.
A worthless lable maybe one tha has your name on it, because yuo do no research, thses labels are from peopl who have actually gone out and done something.