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“I can tell you if you do not go to college you have a 0% chance of being a doctor.”

And in today’s world with Obama Care and the current reimbursement structure, being a Doctor does not guarantee any great income, while it does almost always guarantee huge school debt.

The doctors who are doing well are those who run a business, even if it is the medical industry.

An OT has 4 years graduate school plus internships and externships. There are significant early barriers.

I think that in addition to that, it is not possible to practice without passing the exams, similar to doctors.

You can work as an accountant with passing the CPA exams and many do so successfully. You can work as an actuary (see DaMoshe) without passing the exams.

You are focusing on the wrong data in determining why certain fields have higher pass rates than others.

GAW,

The pass rate for the USMLE, which is required for all doctors practicing in the US is above 95%.

Your rule that a high pass rate is indicative of a low barrier field is hogwash. The facts completely disprove your “thesis”

The pass rate for Barbers and Cosmetologists is below 50%. That is not a high barrier field.

The pass rate for HHA’s, as low a barrier field as there is, is even lower than that in places.

“BTW, an accountant only needs a BA.”

In NY, to become a CPA, a candidate must have 150 credits. And it must include certain specific courses.

“An Actuary is a good paying job that requires a Degree in Math”

I know actuaries who did not go to college. The self studied and passed the exams.

Further, those who do go to college to get their degree in math in hopes of becoming an actuary do not go the BA route.

As many can attest, having a BA in English does very little in guaranteeing competent writing skills.

Kol Yisroel Areivim doesn’t mean you should be on your high horse.

Nor does it mean that you should not be ?? ??? ????.

Further, it does not mean you should falsely accuse people.

Just a little clarification for those who seem to need it.

APY,

So you are concurring exactly to what I have written on another thread.

And to clarify, ( and I’m not sure why) I am not advocating committing a crime, however, and I speak from specific knowledge aid actual cases, that does not mean a person will not be shlepped into such a situation.

I was once on a grand jury. Which was one of the reasons I have such a bad taste for the “Justice” system. There is some minimal amount of proof that has to be brought for an indictment, yet the prosecutors knew hat you can indict a ham sandwich and seemed to be playing a game as to who can get an indictment with the least proof. And this was borne out by jury members saying ” well if they brought the person to the grand jury, they should be indicted.” They needed no proof at all.

And the result is that person Is indicted when there is no proof, but that will have terrible repercussions. 1) the person has been indicted. 2) legal defense costs to the person will easily be in the high tens of thousands of legal fees to deal with the matter.

I have seen this directly.

Syag,

1) I did not bring the story of R Chaim.

2) Did I say the person was guilty? Accepting a plea is often the best sure result to a situation. You are so concerned about it being dishonest. This a typical situation; you wee speeding at 12 miles over the limit. The officer writes a ticket that you were 21 miles over the limit and then throws in another ticket for unsafe driving and then yet another for reckless. (This is not hypothetical, this is exactly what happens). You have no way to prove otherwise, because most people do not have dash cams). The cop does not provide a receipt from the radar.

What do you do?

You can’t plead guilty to the charges, according to you that’s dishonest. And why would you want to. It expensive and it will increase your insurance and can put your license at risk.

You have no way to prove your innocence.

The prosecutors will offer a plea just to get the fine money and move things along. What would suggest a person should do?

And I’ve seen bargains offered even in cases of DWI. And the judge was fine with it (I was shocked). (I don’t go to traffic court often, but I’ve been there several times, either on my behalf or to sit with other people).

Now let’s extend to a more serious crime, such as embezzlement. There are many documented cases of people who have Ben improvement when there was an embezzlement, even though they were not the embezzler, but they had been an unknowing conduit.

The person should plea guilty? Does that mean no one has the right to defend themselves against unsubstantiated claims, even if they may be true? How ridiculous.

So the person can try to defend themselves, which will not provide a sure result and we are that people who try to defend themselves and are unsuccessful receive much harsher sentences. What to do?

In addition, the costs of criminal or any legal defense are huge and easily crippling, besides all the other associated aggregation.

So a plea deal for a lower offense, even when a person is actually not guilty of anything may be the smartest defense. Let’s hear you form a cogent argument that accepting a plea in such a case is wrong.

APY,

What Dan lkaf zchus is there to a prosecutor? That he wasn’t intenyltionally malicious, perhaps. Doesn’t mean you have to believe that the allegations against the defendant is true.

You think the Halacha of Dan lkaf zchus is only where a non Jew or a mumar is making the claim? Nonsense.

The only way a non Jew or a mumar enters into the equation is that there is no din of being Dan lkaf zchus on them.

Lesser,

No they didn’t. If he defrauded the bank, don’t you think the bank would have pressed charges?

He was making the payments on the lines of credit. The loans went bad when the government, on allegations of immigration and child labor violations interrupted the whole business. Allegations for which he was never found guilty and in fact some were so baseless, they were expunged.

Just another proof of how false allegations can destroy a person, family, community and business.

“They stole from the government, And we do not know who turned them in. Maybe it was just a government audit that discovered it or some reporter.”

They stole from the government? And you know tis how? If this was a fact, would there not have been arrests?

From talks I’ve heard from the AG and from conversations with investigators, the overwhelming majority of any case or investigation (other than perhaps violent crimes) cames from complaints, real or otherwise.

I know people who have been harassed by meshugaim calling in some alleged complaint to a government agency, which then decides it has to “investigate”. You don’t like a charity or someone who works, a quick call to the Attorney General’s office with some trumped up complaint or allegation will cause tremendous hardship and cost.

The costs to the harassee are huge even though there is no case. I have seen this happen more than once, where I know the exact details.

There as an article recently in the WSJ about how difficult it is to not be in violation of one federal law or another and how ridiculous and unfair some of the laws are.

The article was From February 16.

A couple of quotes which should give pause to everyone:

Pleasant isn’t it?

And we all know how Sholom Rubashkin was charged and sentenced for not paying his beef suppliers the same day. A regulation that had never before been enforced.

I am sure that here are bloggers who spout tears over any of these stories, unless it was a Yid. Then the dina dimalchuse chanting comes out.

And cries of how bad these Jews are for making a chilul hashem.

So now in Jail, he is going to able to kill you?

Really?

That has been obviated.

“Please tell us what Averiah according to the torah Bernie Madoff did”

Well ZD, you insist that a Jew who is frum who had done something way less egregious than Bernie, did all sorts of aveiros according to the Torah.

I am sure, as is your wont, you can make up something suitable to fit Mr. Madoff’s crimes.

A chof and a Ches really have different sounds. So your comment is wrong.

Further, I speak English. As my first language, in fact. I have no problem saying either the chof or ches sound. Nor do many people.

ymosko,

Frankly, research by posting a question such as this in the CR is not research that should gain you a graduate degree.

Certainly when all you are looking for can be accessed by doing a search for the actual sources reporting the information.

I doubt there is any way at al you can get the AIE for “Jewish” students in either place.

Busing is for all students, not just Yeshiva students.

Further, 25,000 to 2,590 does not calculate to 4 to 1, ratio. Something is very wrong with your numbers.

ZD,

So it is possible that in the future you will not to be able to have a marriage legally recognized if one of the parties are below 16. But that is not that the case now. Contrary to your prior declaration.

What might be appropriate is that if you have more laws, you just have more law breakers, so do not make a new law.

ZD,

Where do you get that number from? It is not at all borne out by the audited financials of the NYC DOE.

I suspect that the number you are reporting does not include the NYS and federal portion, nor does it include the pension and capital provisions, all of which the City likes to report separately

Charlie,

Lovely dissertation, especially when you don’t let the facts get in the way.

The NYC DOE budget for 2015-16 is just about $27 Billion. For just over a million students. Average costs appears to me, not a professor, to be substantially higher than Lakewood.

Further, more than half the operating budget is borne by State and Federal funding. Which is a higher percentage than either of the “suburban” districts referenced to.

But hey, facts are just facts, no reason to let them get in the way of a discussion.

“The more laws you have , the more law breakers you have”

Interesting observation.

Perhaps all laws should be eliminated, then there would be no law breakers at all.

You can eliminate all crime. You are ready for politics.

I would like to emphasize that a kashrus symbol is there for people to look at and read.

So one should note if it says OU-D or not and if there is in fact a hashgacha or not.

The same with restaurants, ,you should see if they have the hashgacha and if the certificate is up to date. I make it a point to check and have at times seen out of date certificates. I have walked out of establishments that only had an old certificate and could not demonstrate that it was renewed.

However, in the case of the candies first referenced to, it seems even the OU recognized that it could be confusing based on their response. One would not suspect that they should have to look for multiple hashgochas on one packages (unless you are looking for the added sticker)

M,

1) You seem to infer that salaries are not an appropriate expense for an organization, why would that be? Doesn’t the Mir have to pay its Rabbeim? And the executive Director and the remainder of the office staff?

2)Program expenses means that is what is spent on program, the purposes of the organization. A program of an organization is not going to be only giving out money unless they are solely a grant making organization. And even then it is likely that there will be salaries and related expenses that are deemed programmatic.

3) I don’t know the details of the marketing included in program, however it is pretty clear that an outreach organization would have marketing as part of their program. There would also be other educational outreach that would be communicated via programmatic marketing. I know I’ve seen many informational articles on general child raring information and car safety distributed by K4K.

4) When you make general donations, you are not making them to K4K, that organization does their fundraising almost solely through vehicle and other non cash contributions. They are asking for the car you were disposing of (anyway) they are not asking for your cash. Nor are they holding a Chinese auction of any sort. That is a different organization. As noted before, the inherent cost of acquiring such donations is high, but it is tied directly to advertising.

5) To reiterate, the organization you would be donating to would not be the organization that you fear is spending so much of what it raises to obtain the funds. And the programmatic percentage of even K4K was 63% in 2014, just shy of the BBB’s general 65% for all charities, even those that would seem to really have no meaningful overhead.

6) The fundraisers that go out for many organizations get a much higher cut than 35% of what they collect. Your suggesting that this would be indicative of a “not honest” tzedakah is unfounded. They, unlike many other organizations, undergo annual audits and report their activities. V’dal.

APY,

Such a well researched article, it said that the cookies used to be labeled OU-P for kosher pareve.

Everyone knows that OU-P means kosher for Passover and the cookies were never labeled that.

Just a stupid assumption by the writer. Typical of the NYT.

“Almost all cookies and Cakes say Pareve on this (Most baking is done with butter) usually you see Pareve on Candy too as Candy is either made with butter or Milk Chocolate”

That’s only true by the heimishe brands, which you don’t seem to like. Only the Twizzler’s with heimishe stickers say pareve (on the heimishe sticker) the Twizzler packaging does not say pareve on it.