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Are you doing asking about the Peanut trimmer? Which is a hair cutting machine. Or is this something else?
Sam,
Unless the Rebbi was talking about people below Bar Mitzvah, then by definition he is not “chareidi”.
The story is not really believable.
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Never happened
ZD,
Please just stop.
For your own sake.
“Actually it is the people who support the death penalty in the US for whom that is true. “
So you are arguing with R Moshe Feinstein’s psak. Not at all surprising.
But, as usual, you are obfuscating.
Your comment above was whether we would have moral problems with the US administering the death penalty for petty theft.
Now everyone knows that the US does not administer the death penalty for petty theft. The point of your inane comment was to suppose that the US would issue the death penalty in accordance with halacha (Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach). And your insistence was that administering the death penalty in accordance with halacha is amoral.
Once again you attempt to twist what you said. Because the clear implication of your earlier comment was that that the administration would be in accordance with the Torah, but that is should be clear to everyone that doing so is immoral.
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ZD,
So why should it be different if it is a Chosid of that Rebbe? A Chosid has to be even more deferential to his Rebbe.
Besides, in my experience, limited as it may be, they do not find it nisht bakovodik.
ZD,
Why would it be inappropriate?
Charlie,
“So you have no problem with the courts of the United States administering death penalties for petty theft?”
And this query of yours proves that you do not believe the Torah to be the ultimate morality.
I believe there is a term for people who feel that way. Some proudly call themselves open orthodox, but many use a different synonymous term. Think of the the philosopher whose saying was “eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow you may die”.
Mazel tov.
May you be zoche to celebrate many simchos in the near future.
I did not make a comment that was intended to be negative about a broad swath of Orthodox Jewry, nor did I attempt to respond to the OPs questions.
However, to answer the OPs question, it is unlikely and for the same reasons that we would not listen to many other suggested shidduchim.
ZD,
You have not answered the OP’s question.
Which was, would you date (presumably with intention of marriage) a person of a different race than you?
Or, alternatively, would you listen to shidduchim for Zehava which were of a different race than you or her, either a convert or not.
Maytisyahu did not really make from Jewish music.
But there are other frum Singers or musicians who have done well such as Alex Clare or Andy Statman (A true world class musician who performs with a yarmulka and his tzitzis out).
“, yes Pesach stuff is different than regular stuff, but I usually try to get stuff I am familiar with and brands that I know so its not as hard as you think”
You are the only one who says it is difficult to check the hashgochas, no one else said that. All the other people concurred that you always have to check the hashgochas and specifically for pesach when there have been many occurrences where items that were not pesachdik, got mixed in with the pesachdik in stores, for any number of reasons.
Checking the items one buys is not a “chumra”, it is basic halacha.
And your answer to does not answer how you can possibly look so closely at prices, which change all the time o determine what cost more?
“I just I didnt belive in it and refuse to support it in any way .”
1) You have never demonstrated that gebroked items are cheaper, you compared completely different items.
2) Why would you insist that manufacturers and distributors lose money for your odd whims? It makes snes to produce a product for the widest market that they can.
3) The large non heimish manufacturers make gebrokte cookies and cakes. go ahead and buy that. But most people who would not buy tyose products for pesach would also not eat food made from plain matzo on pesach. And cookies made ffrom shmura matzo or even 18 minute matzo, as demonstrated above, are more expensive than the non geborkte products.
4) What about all the people with Celiac, including poor widows and orphan. By driving up the cost of non gebrokte products, you are making them starve.
5) Nobody is making you buy non gebrokte products, and if it is too expensive, go without or make it yourself. Just like any item that one decides is too expensive. In fact, no one here is making you buy kosher for Passover products at all, which are more expensive, although we would be terribly bothered if you bought chometzdike products on passover.
6) I wonder how you know which items cost more if , as you’ve already said earlier, you cannot even be bothered to check the hechsher on a package, certainly you don’t have time to compare prices.
7) Another good quote http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/whats-with-the-left-wing-and-kitniyos/page/2#post-564047
“You have only sidestepped the question, so I’ll tweak it a bit: would it bother you as much when if you would see somebody buying chometz on Pessach as it apparently does when you see “Matzah bags” for sale?”
I think you can find your answer on the other thread about someone who had a guest bring chometz on pesach.
A person who is having non religious guests is obviously not going to scream at them for an error. But that the poster does not even give a krechtz about the cometz and on this thread gets all heated about those who are makpid on gebrokts gives you the answer to your question, unfortunately.
Brisker hanhogo, not Burkett.
Autocorrect issue.
“There is also a minhag among some not to eat ANY matza the last 6 days of Pesach for fear of Gebrachs, they only eat it the first 2 days because its a mitzvah”
That is the reason? Because of “gebrachs”? That’s strange, because it is a Burkett hanhogo and they do not have the minhag of gebrokts.
You really got to stop making up this stuff.
Wolf,
Your comment is an allegation. However, my concern has been incontestably demonstrated in the YWN and on this and related threads.
ZD,
I call that a load hogwash.
No one is making you pay extra for anything.
In addition, you don’t want 30% of the market to have products available?
You want distributors to take a loss on products by cutting out 30% of the market? (Not sure where you get that statistic from anyway).
You haven’t demonstrated that the cost of gebrokts cost more.
I would venture to say that making light of Halacha and its discussions and making light of others minhagim is very much one of our greatest communal issues.
Insisting that one’s adoption of a Kula or crazy left wing theory is now the lead everyone else is to beholden is the type of arrogance that the OO is foisting On ??? ?????. This is a terrible communal issue. And needs to be rooted out.
I was in Israel for Pesach in the past and did not find it difficult. Items which contain Kitniyot were labeled ?? ?????? ??????. So if one takes the effort to check the label, which should always be done, it isn’t difficult at all.
I reference the following relevant story from the last go around of this topic.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/mishing-on-pesach#post-564861
The absolute minhag that people should have relating to mishing is to not mish arayn in yenner’s minhagim.
I have never heard of any Talmud Chochom or Godol who felt that not mishing an “over the top chumra”. In fact there are people who comport themselves that way the whole year.
And the minhag is not to eat food from outside the house, it is never purported as a reason not to have guests. In fact, I would venture that the people who are noheg not to mish have many more needy people as guests for yom tov than the people who proclaim that minhag is a stira to bein adam l’chaveiro and achudus.
“The boundaries of the State of Israel are not clear. “
Typical that the radical liberal would support the position of the BDS reshoim.
What type of keeping to mesorah is it to make sushi with Quinoa?
Eli hoyu shom lo hoya nigol
Besides, of they dip into soy sauce it would be three items that are dipped and mah nishtana would be all messed up.
So is ZD advocating violating Dina Demalchusa?
It makes sense that Charlie Hall would equate claims by the OO “Rabbits” that there was more than one author to the Torah to those who are extra machmir on Kitniyot.
It is not just Mesorah that is the problem with the OO, it is the outright kefira, abandonment of basic halacha, the hate they display for those who do keep mesorah and the frequent cases of mesirah. And so on and so forth.
I don’t think the “either or comment” at the end warrants leaving this as a legitimate comment.
I wonder why allegedly Torah observant people such as Avi K who consider the Zionist government a part of ?????? ??????, completely ignore the posek of ??? ???? ????. The Israeli government proudly presents to the world that they are one of the “pinkest” nations ( Theydon’t mean pink like communist). They promote their toeiva pride and have multiple parades and fests, some which they call the largest in the world. And Thait “??????” is just some of the immoral/amoral activities that the Zionist government prides itself on.
Anyway, this whole Cholov Yisroel stuff is just chumra creep. New Chimeras. Did you ever hear of this 50 years ago? Or in Europe?
They always ate strawberries with cream from the Poritz.
And they would even sprinkle it with peanuts and corn even on Pesach.
However, McDonalds was even brought down as issur by the old rebbeims in the polish shtetl.
The reason the Chachomim required cholov Yisroel was not because of inadvertent mixing. It was specifically because of concerns of intentional mixing of non kosher milk.
The reasoning for R Moshe’s heter makes sense for intentional mixing, but not so much so for inadvertent mixing.
SL,
Maybe it is interesting how often ZD professes knowledge about so many things that he is so obviously and drastically wrong about.
And it is always with an agenda. I doubt I am the only one to note or comment on this.
ZD,
So how are the “rods” put onto the udders?
There is manual intervention there.
Nowhere does it say that Cholov Yisroel is only applicable to hand milked bovine or ovine.
That is a new heter that you just manufactured and one that I doubt you are qualified to make.
It is clear to everyone that Rav Moshe’s heter only applies in the United States or possibly other countries with similar laws and related mirtas.
It would not apply in Mexico and the large farms are operated the same way as in the US with similar machinery.
Syag,
Just based on my drives around the mountains during the summer and visiting dairy producing areas and a tour of a large Dairy farm where they said that as part of the tour.
The real question is why ZD said why there is no manual intervention.
“Milk from a non-kosher animal costs more than milk from a cow so there is no financial incentive to do so”
Who is buy9ng the milk form the non kosher animal? The farmer is not selling it separately and he is not buying it,. However he may have non-kosher animals of all sorts on the farms that have milk and by mixing it in he can sell something he wouldn’t be able to sell otherwise.
One needs to be a Chochom besides being a Talmud Chochom to come up with a legitimate heter.
“Go to a Dairy farm, everything is automated”
This may be true on larger farm, but it is not the case on the smaller farms, where there is still some manual intervention.
And there are thousands of smaller farms and they sell their milk to the same bottlers.
The people the Oruch Hashulchan is referring to like to allege thatthere is an ever increasing kitmniyot list.
A commenter made some type of claim, that it takes a Talmud Chochom to be matter something. Well it is clear to everyone that the complainers about the alleged expansion of the kitniyos list and who are averring that certain items, such as wild rice, corn and mustard are not part of the gezairakh of kitniyos are not remotely talmidei chachomim.
“Who is paying for the door to door service?
Usually it ends up being the taxpayers. Rather than having the SD arrange and provide bussing, The schools lobby for the ability to provide bussing themselves and pass the bill to the SD.”
That is actually not correct. A number of schools have their own buses or bus companies which contract with the school district to provide busing. The District does not have nearly enough resources to provide services for all students in the district and has to contract out services.
No different than all other districts.
And the amount the contract is for does not provide more for stopping in front of a house (nor is the cost higher in most cases). So there is no extra cost to the district for the extra stops made by the contractor.
“The Queen, what about all the parents who are on Government programs, who is paying for their kids transportation to school? “
If they are homeowners or even renters, they are paying the school taxes.
Do you ask the same question of all the public school students, most of whom are not from families who are home owners?
“School taxes are always on the local level. Foreign Aid is from a federal level. Its a different tax “
If you know how to read a School District budget you would see that there are Federal and State support as part of the budget as well. Her point is well made.
I do not think there is anyone who does not agree that corn is kitniyos.
Rice is not a legume either.
“We arent debating if Kitnyot is permitted, but about the ever expanding world of Kiniyot. “
And yet as proof for this you mentioned items that have always been considered kitniyos.
As far as your attitude, I refer you to the aforementioned Oruch Hashulchan.
ZD,
You will note I did not say the Quinoa is assur, I said that there are those who are makpid, and they do have a real basis to do so. Your quote from Wikipedia does not respond to their reasons.
Please try to provide a reputable halachic source for your comments about things that are not kitnios. Wikipedia is not a source, nor is Google. And accepted halacha seforim (I am not talking about contemporary seforim) contradict whatever you have been saying.
“There really isnt much differnece between Cake and Bread.”
Yes there is. Even the basic bracha is different.
“Potato Starch cake and cookies is very common”
Only by Pesach, as Kosher for Pesach. You want to consider something ossur as a chashash chometz because of something made specifically for pesach??
“As a chenopod, quinoa is closely related to species such as beetroots, spinach and tumbleweeds.”
Still not a Berry. And still does not deflect the reason why some will say that the chashash of kitniyos applies. Obviously there are differences if kitniyos should be extended to include, but for that ask your own Rov, if you have one.
“Potato Bread in the store is Chometz as is Corn Bread. Its only because that how they make it”
SO then, how common is Potato Bread without flour? Your proof was from potato bread near the frank buns. But those all have flour.
But there are some who do not eat potatoes on pesach, what is your response to that?
Mustard being considered kitnyos is not “new”, The same with wild Rice.
What the Oruch Hashulchan says about those who are Mefakfek or Meikel on kitnyos is that they are testifying about themselves that “Ayn bohem yiras shomayim veyiras chet, v’ayn beki’in b’darchei Torah.” (O’C 453.4)
I apologize to the Memory of Mr. Wouk. I confused some of Potok’s stories with his.
Herman Wouks books were not all that appropriate for the crowd ArtScroll is publishing for.
From what I understand, there was quite a bit that was just inappropriate entirely.
Just mentioning Sholom Aleichem shows that you really have no concept as to what is appropriate reading. You really think they should publish writers whose stories promote going off the derech?
Besides, most such Authors command huge advances. You think these publishers are going to be able to pay such advances?
But let’s return to your initial comment. You were talking about seforim. Those are very well written. That is indisputable.
You also made an issue of grammar. The books are all grammatically correct.
Now you don’t like the stories. You want Sholom Aleichem. If you are looking for stories that belittle a Torah lifestyle, don’t expect to see it from ArtScroll, CIS or Feldheim.
Nuevell,
This is what ZD said “I read many seforim in english and Ive read regular secular english books. the english of the seforim is many times terrible and irreadable.
Those who plan on writing seforim in english would do well to learn to write proper english writing and grammar skills”
He completely changed his tune because he very specifically said “Seforim”
Very different from story books and fiction.
And everyone knows that is is disengenuous to compare books written for a kosher market to secular fiction. It is also inane to compare every writer to Charles Dickens or Mark Twain. (Besides that ZD completely missed the underlying themes in Dickens). There is plenty published in the secular market by brand name publishers that are much worse qualitatively than what is distributed by AS, CIS or Feldheom or any of the other Jewish publishers.
Could there be better developed stories, probably, but most current writers try to accomplish that by including all sorts of gratuitous filth.
ZD,
You said you read English seforim. Which you are now comparing to Dickens.
1) The English seforim are well edited and clearly understandable. The subject matter just may be well out of your reach.
2) How can you compare seforim to literature?
3) Your comment was about grammar and proper English, now you’ve changed your tune.
4) You select stories written by the most famous authors and want to compare them to translations of books written in another language?
5) Why don’t you compare the Seforim to some of the technical pamphlets. Would be more comparable because it’s not just popular reading and then come back and compare.
6) The writers and editors of the seforim do an excellent job and write a lot better than most of the stuff you try to read. Even those writers at ArtScroll who have not gone to college.
Just ludicrous.
“I read many seforim in english and Ive read regular secular english books. the english of the seforim is many times terrible and irreadable.”
Did you really just write this?
Are you really the person to make such a determination?
Perhaps you would like to provide samples so we can make objective determinations.
It reminder me of the time one of the NY tabloids wrote big expose on how the Bloomberg Foundation had off shore investments.
Any sizeable foundation will have off shore investments. It is prudent to diversify.
The so called terrible thing about off shore investments would be hiding income from the IRS. The way the tabloid found out about the investments was because they were specifically reported in the foundations 990 PF, which is an IRS form.
Just shows how the media makes an issue out of non issues and then all the silly people suddenly are outraged at the terrible avlah.
It seems that the government agencies are no different. They are completely disingenuous.
“Exactly what the P/E for a business is, I cant say for sure I never said i knew that number. I do know its between 10 and 1 so the better the gross revenue, the more you will pay for it”
Between 1 & 10 is a big range. So much so as to make your statement meaningless.
“Maybe your family has $300,000 to invest in a business. Most people don’t” It can be financed. That is how many or most do it.
“A year at Brooklyn college costs about $6000. meaning the degree will cost you $24,000. Sounds like a good investment to me. you will easily make back that money.” You are obviously ignoring the 4 years. Which newbee is focusing on. For most people, 4 years is worth something.
“I went to a CUNY school so I know how cheap they are. I dont have one cent of college debt. it was cheap enough”. And, to paraphrase, you aren’t a doctor. Or a lawyer either.