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DaMoshe,
So the answer is that since not having a hat and jacket is not a reason for not davening with a minyan, it would thus be incumbent upon the person to then put on a hat and jacket if the only place to daven requires it.
It is the responsibility of the the individual to go to a minyan. It does not seem to be the responsibility of the tzinur to make any and every accommodation to suit the whims of people who aren’t interested in following the minhagim of the tzibur.
Without discussing whether a hat or jacket is necessary in general, everyone seems to concede that the appropriate dress is defined by time and place. So why does this shul have to have their standards changed to meet your standards? The shul is making clear what the standards are in that shul. And being very clear about it. As such, since you are so focused on appropriate attire being the correct way to daven, you would have to agree that in this shul a hat and jacket is required attire for davening.
One other point, all those who are so worked up and say, why is a dress shirt and jacket and dark pants more appropriate, some “yeshivshe” are sloppy. Your khaki Dockers and pink polo shirt are better than the dress attire worn by yeshiveshe people. Why don’t we start with apples to apples and compare your suggested attire to a typical neatly dressed person in button down shirt, jacket and dress pants. Which do you think is a more formal, respectable look. How would you show up in a court, for instance. Or alternatively, again apples to apples if you are going to focus on the person who is not quite so neat, someone wearing a t-shirt with the logo of some vile heavy metal band, with baggy cargo shorts and flip flops to davening vs someone not in the freshest dress shirt and dark pants and jacket.
GH
Here’s another demonstration of your overwhelming knowledge.
“For the same reason Sephardeshe yiddim add “v’yatzmach purkanei v’kareiv mishichei.” in the repetition of the Amidah.”
What? “Yiddim”? Sephardeshe? Ladies in middle of Chazaras Hashatz?
64bit,
How can you refer to the holy Shomer Shabbos shul of Boro Park as infamous?
It’s rightly famous. There are many shiurim, massive amounts of tzedakah and chesed performed there every day. There are minyanim saying the whole tehilim on Shabbos night. There are multiple minyanim for YK Kotton every month, including several where they lein v’ychal.
There are minhogim yeshonim that are perpetuated there. Which is all built on the basis of its establishment when so many unfortunately went to work after davening on Shabbos and this shul was established by those who remained steadfastly shomerei Shabbos.
GH,
Thanks for letting us know how you truly must be gedolhadorah. Ostrich Eggs would be from a female and thus would be ”gedolos” or “gedolah” in the singular. Though for someone as woke as you, who knows.
CA,
2) it’s simple, if he is unsure he asks Rav Hachshir. He doesn’t just say “Eh”. Even if you believe that is appropriate.
3) I’ve never seen someone just take a head of lettuce or similar and just eat it in the supermarket. The Kosher markets I go to clearly label what’s been washed and checked and what’s not.
You have a problem with assigning your failings to others and therefore you should know that when you make assumptions, while they are accurate about yourself, there is no evidence or even a smidgen of a reason to think they are true about the person you ascribe it to.
GH,
Why do you always insist on publicly and irrefutably demonstrating how utterly halachically uninformed you are? You do not even have the slightest concept of what you repost from google or gather from ne of AI sites.
CA,
1) Your question was if the person who is saying the “eidus” gets an aveirah. People make mistakes, and considering the type of mistake, they might be a shogeg, oiness or meizid. Saying “eh, I don’t know so why not” is not eidus that the person should be potur on. You were not discussing the person who heard the eidus. And if the person hearing the eidus knew that the mashgiach’s position is “eh” I doubt you can rely on that, because saying, “I don’t know, why not just say ok”, without any basis is not eidus to even say there was an eid echad.
2) If he truly does not know, then it his responsibility to speak to the Rav Hamachshir, that is exactly his job. A Rav Hamachshir (or a reliable one) does train mashgichim to know how to check for tolaim. (How much is necessary and what to look for and the method to look for tolaim) and is responsible to set standards and make decisions when there is a question.
3) I would assume a housewife would know how to check and what to check or ask a shailoh, such as any other shaila as how to check for tolaim. Certainly for those who care about kashrus.
4) Your attitude sums up succinctly why certain people may not want to rely on certain hasgachos or eat at certain places. This does not need more expansion.
CA,
You are referring to eid echad ne’eman bissurim and then you ask “If a mashgiach isn’t sure that what he sees is a bug so he says to himself “eh I don’t think it’s a bug” and passes it (but really it is a bug)”. How is that eidus, if he says he is unsure? I have never heard of an eidus where the eid says they are unsure.
I was reading over Hakatan’s comment. I don’t see where he denigrated Rav Willig. I see he differentiated YU from REITe and he does not hold YU in high regard. He also, correctly, stated that Rav Willig was not mastoid as a YU representative, rather as a close neighbor and local Rov in whose shul the RY gave shouting and encouraged and increased the amount and level of learning. Which is what Rav Willig said in his hesped. As well as specifically thanking Rav Ausband, the Rebbitzen and the Ausband children for the tremendous impression they had on the Willig children.
What I do see are the YU crowd up in arms about Hakatan’s opinion of YU and then completely misrepresenting what Hakatan said because they cannot argue with what he actually wrote.
GH,
I am guessing you can use AI or google to find the answer to the question.
GH
“ One person’s truth is another person’s lashon harah. ”.
Someone is really showing a distinct lack of halachic understanding here.
5TResident,
You comment “I imagine that the rabbonim of these shuls don’t want to speak up because of fear of losing mispallelim to other ships.” There is a much bigger issue with people going on ships during the 9 days, and Tish B’Av than using a low chair in shul.
There are 5 inuyim that are assur on Yom Kippur, which are carried forward to Tisha B’Av. Being uncomfortable when you sit is not one of them. The reason we sit low is because it is a sign of availus and has nothing to do with comfort. Do you begrudge aveilim the chairs provided by misaskim?
Sitting low as a sign of aveilus, not being uncomfortable.
I think the OP is likely differentiating between a video of drashos about Tisha BAv and the churn and the made for Tisha BAv movies. And he has a point. In my opinion.
GH,
Does your Am Hoaratzus, with all the attendant attributes described in the Gemara, which you constantly and readily display stem from a lack of mature discipline, or are they two different failings?
Yes, people who learn Halacha, take it seriously and are disciplined do know how and when to act. That is one of the defining attributes of frum people, certainly those who are חרדים אל דבר ה׳
Common,
1) Previous posters were asserting that Kris’s Yam Suf was proof that one should not say shir, or celebrate upon the downfall of enemies. Which is bogus, because the Beni Yisroel did say shira.
2) We typically look at what Moshe Rabbeinu did to learn from.
Bottom line is באבוד רשעים רינה.
@Sam Klein,
I seem to recall that the Beni Yisroel said Az Yashir by krias Yam Suf.
Much of the shira specifically relates what happened to the mitzrim, and their downfall.
The easy and accurate answer is that Yiddish is Yiddish and not Hebrew.
“What about dedications on commodes”. Certainly when you serve peor. Or people whose Torah can be expressed when sitting there.
Well it is more than clear, yet again, that the radical Democrat party are the source of the most pernicious deep fakes.
It is not surprising then, who is most vocal in supporting the dangerous fakers, on this post.
Birds of a feather.
I shouldn’t have called Jakkk a deep fake. His anti religious stance is blatant.
His event comments are more conclusive proof that he cares not for the truth, like the Palestinians, the bigger the lie, the better. By the way, what was your deadname?
If there was nothing of concern in the laptop, why’d Biden tell a bald faced lie and say it’s Russian disinformation, when he knew it was real?
Another deepfake was the Steele Dossier peddled by another star of the Democrat party HR Clinton.
Deepfakes are agh and JKKK pretending they are religious Jews.
Dora,
Did anyone say anything about claiming a tax deduction?
But not paying sales tax on religious items is actually Dina demalchusa
Yotze Dofen,
Truth is apparently not your strong point, or possibly comprehension.
Do not be proud to misrepresent or misquote.
I am telling you what I see on the ground here.
You are like the people at Columbia. As Bob Grant used to say, fake, phony, fraud.
YotzeDofen,
Your claim that many charities leaders declare that the soldiers sacrifices are worthless is a disgusting and blatant lie. What is worse is that you know it is a lie, and the only point of your post was to foment hate. No different than those at Columbia and the other Universities.
The signs in EY all say “Byachad Nenatzeach”. You are just trying to minimize any Achdus. For shame.
Dorah,
If you want to let everyone know that you are clearly clueless on a halachic concept, just say you don’t know. There is no reason to try to make light of serious halachic concepts.
@Avirah
I assume he is rereferring to the inyan of being mor makpid on kashrus on Pesach than the rest of the year. That it is not considered yuhara to be makpid on things over Pesach that one is not makpid on the rest of the year. Thus he is referring to cholov Yisroel currently.
You didn’t mention Trump, but it’s clearly a symptom of TDS that would have you state that calling these people employed by Obama as “false information”.
I am not a lawyer, but I do not believe that legally it was an incorrect usage. Employed also means hired or used by. Which is clearly not “false information” as you initially called it. It is not even a “misstatement” as you tried to to down in your next comment.
Yechiell,
Are you saying that Trump is being led around by the nose by Obama? I hardly think anyone sane could say that. Neither are you denying that Biden is being manipulated by Obama. But you think Obama was good for the nation? Was (is) good for Jews? Was good for Israel?
Get out of your Trump mishegaas and respond to what the point of the post is.
CT,
Really? That’s false information? Who hired or approved their appointments? The semantics your splitting hairs on are so ludicrous as to be false information in and of itself.
I understand you abhor Trump. Fine. But to ignore that Obama was bad for the Country (it was him that exacerbated all or nothing attitude in politics today. Only he had the right answers and he knew everything about everything) and as I know you are a Jew, he was bad for Jews and bad for Israel. And the effects are growing even today.
The level of antisemitism in the US grew exponentially, particularly against visible Jews, from Obama’s reign.
So you get caught up because you “believe” Square Root used the wrong word, while missing the Donkeys in the house.
I think you have to take “Dora’s” word on this. It is probably an expert as it constantly demonstrates as it is vying for the president job at Harvard. And a University president would be expert at all things FAFSA. וד״ל
Bottom line, people like Jakkk, who label people fascists because they believe in the sanctity of life. They are more supportive of those who support abortion up to and even after birth. The support laws which forbid providing care to a baby who has survived an attempted abortion. They support euthanasia. You tell us who are the real fascists.
These radical liberals belive the only lives worth protesting for are those of murderers who have been sentenced to the death penalty. Or are terrorists killing Jews.
Sure these Christians ideas are beyond what the halacha is, but I would say that it is clearly way less so from the abortion celebrators and those who promote euthanasia. But Old King Obama wa in favor, so now its toiras lukshen mewashington.
AAQ,
You asked the following about wearing shatnez suit:
“maybe I missed the answer to the question – can I just take the jacket off for davening?”
Really. And you always ask questions?
Dorah,
1) Many communities, much smaller in size than even Cleveland or Baltimore have people who check shatnez. Either as sample takers which they forward to a lab or they are fully trained.
2) You are now creating a new heter to wear shatnez if you live in a small community?
Dorah,
You are going with “Some of my best friends are Jewish” defense for Mr. Hymietown? Jesse Jackson is a bigot. No different than Al Sharpton. Who are championed by the democrats because they are the “right type” of bigots.
DaMoshe,
How many town tell people how to dress. I’ve been in many predominantly Jewish towns here in the US and in only one place was the a “request”. It’s not all over the place. And that was by KJ, where i don not think you will find any non Jew who lives there. I doubt you are so worked up by another place that has dress protocols. Such as Jackets only, or no shirt no service.
As far as school boards, you seem so knowledgeable, what do you think actually happened in Ramapo? People exercising their right to representation? You sound like Peggy Hatton, who alleged that every Jew is a predator and then brough an actual registered s-x offender to “guard” against Jews. I know, because I saw this with my own eyes. This was clearly a case of blaming victims of vile antisemitism. You certainly didn’t hear any of ths from R Bender.Edited
Funnybone, i think it also interacts with the compressor cycles as it relates to opening and closing. I believe they suggest not to leave on Shabbos mode long term. I think I did read somewhere that Shabbos mode turns off, at least on some models, after 3days.
If not for Ishay Ribo saying a kapittel of tehilim, the only mention of G-D was from the christians (getting their “can we get an Aymehn” responded to).there is another part of the hagadah, shfoch chamascha el hagoyim asher lo yedoucha, which seemed to be in play here, unfortunately.
Seek out a Rabbi to issue Ketubah? A ketubah is written in conjunction with marriage. So it would be went to a rabbi to perform the marriage. Also “rings”. There is one ring if done correctly. The glass is not a meakev. I find it inconceivable that a knowledgeable orthodox rabbi would perform a marriage if the parties had no intentions to actually be married. This would likely result in mamzeirut. Or sofek makzeirut at the minimum. Best bet, you are a troll.
Holding,
Maybe he’s tried shibuta.
Dorah,
Not surprisingly you misunderstood what Rocky was saying (albeit jokingly). He was saying this is new to litvish shuls. In Lita they did not sing lecha dodi. He was jokingly saying that it should be banned in litvish kehilos. Not because it is litvish, but because it isn’t. Now you will see why your comment does not seem to make sense. It’s like too much herring got to you.
I cannot take too seriously anything about Mesorah from someone who by definition denies the whole concept of Mesorah.
I just saw a thread where people wrote about items paid for but rarely or hardly used. The responses ran the gamut, but along the lines of a wedding dress or similar.
A person who is described as a musmach of YU, a member of the RCA and a member of their ethics panel responded that a yeshiva education is paid for but is rarely used. And another MO individual agreed with that.
I do not know what to make of that. I cannot belive that is actually the attitude of MO.
I do not think anyone would consider RSR’H as what is today’s modern orthodox.
There is a very distinct difference between Torah Im Derech Eretz (TIDE) and Torah Umaada (TU). TIDE calls for secular studies to accompany Torah, but the clear and absolute primacy belongs to Torah. TU equates both on the same level. The actual terms used clearly describe the differences, which are vast.
Jealousy is really not an attractive trait.
And here I thought you were going differentiate between being a Jew and actually acting Jewish.
Not sure which circles you are in, it seems to be standard practice where I have been going to shul.
GH,
I assume like everyone else, you saw the video. So you might want to explain why you say the person was shlepping this child. No such thing happened.
Dora,
Are you accusing Chareidi politicians in EY, of “travel on shabbos or eat at locations serving treifus” Do you have a factual basis to allege this?