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“Today Riverdale has eight Orthodox synagogues thanks to Big Government enforcing Fair Housing Laws.”
Thats great! But should the Germans and Irish have a place for them also? Where their culture and history can thrive as well? Or should everything be a free-for-all where every town is nothing but a mish-mash of everything?
I would LIKE to have a Jewish city, with only synagogues. i DONT CARE if the Germans and Irish have a town with only churches. It doesn’t bother me.
There is not an easy answer and you cant do it for EVERY town, such as Brooklyn, since there has to be places for OTHER cultures and “looks” to grow also.
The problem is given US law its hard to preserve the look of ANY town, let alone every town. This is not antisemitism, its just an affection for ones own culture. There is a difference.
Much of New England for example has a certain look and feel the local populace wish to maintain. This is not antisemitism.
Very sad, I guess no one is going to answer my question how they would feel if Yerushalayim turned into a china-town.
There is no reason why the people on the St Louis would have changed the look and character of the town if said town had rules and regulation regarding zoning, dress-code, etc
There are many towns that preserve buildings going back to the 1700s and have zoning laws regarding the type of look certain buildings must abide to. All the minor details would have to go through a committee of some sort. But law and politics makes this impossible in many towns, to set rules maintaining the culture of their home town- and you cant blame the people for getting upset. Especially if its a small town where people grew up in generation after generation.
But the basic idea is that its dishonest to call “not wanting the place you and your parents and grandparents grew up to drastically change in one generation” anti-semtism. Especially when you would feel the same way if thousands of Chinese started moving into Yerushalayim and opened restaurants with mandarin signs all over the place selling roasted pork outside of their store fronts.
People, I ask you again, would any of you be ok with Chinese people moving into Yerushalayim by the thousands and putting up dragon symbols, mandarin signs and making “China towns” on every block in the old city?
Yes or no
Would you want Chinese coming into Yerushalayim in droves and putting up dragon symbols and mandarin signs all over the place?
“We arent talking about what you want. theres nothing wrong with WANTING your community to stay a certain way. There is something very wrong in my opinion with enforicing it by discriminating against others.”
I disagree, I do not think there is anything wrong with discrimination and enforcement regarding the culture and look of a city. I also believe cities should be able to establish dress-codes and modesty standards and enforce that.
Granted Im not a political expert, but it seems to me Obama wants to change the look, character and face of America sooner than keep US troops in Syria, defeat Isis, and pressure other Islamic countries to at least take in refugees.
“but as long as doen legally and other’s rights arent violated too bad.”
This will lead to a world where you no one will be able to say “this city is like this”. Every city will become exactly the same as every other city, the only difference being one thing- money. Some cities will be gentrified others wont- but all the character and traditions of a particular city will be lost.
All they have to do anyway is prevent multi-family housing, apartment buildings, increase cost of living etc and it will make it hard for frum families to move in.
“Keeping people out solely because the “character” of the nighborhood will change (again when other’s rights arent being infringed upon, and is done legally)is wrong. What do you think?”
I think communities, Jewish and non-Jewish, SHOULD legally be able to enforce the historic culture, character and “look” of a certain town. Would you want Chinese coming into Yerushalayim in droves and putting up dragon symbols and mandarin signs all over the place? However, I dont think putting up an eiruv changes the charachter or look of a town.
“They shouldn’t let them in! What is happening/happened in Europe will happen here. Even Trump is a liberal. What the Western World should do is to get rid of the problem in Syria & Iraq. No more pussyfooting around! Then they could go home.”
Do you agree with my post from before???”
Yes, I think the US should be STRONGLY pressuring other Islamic countries to take them in. Its ridiculous for the US to do so.
ubiquitin I want you to answer me honestly, assuming out of the millions and millions of people I previously mentioned, thousands upon thousands of them are facing death, should we not take all of those people into the US?
Yes or no? Hundreds of thousands if not millions of africans, latinos, chinese and indians. Yes or no
“Would you accept that as a reason for the Us to have turned back the St. louis in 39?
Start a new thread, how does that affect the issue at hand”
Well said.
2) Most of those arent facing death
3)Would you accept that as a reason for the Us to have turned back the St. louis in 39?
2) Out of those millions and millions of people many of them are facing death in one way or another I assure you.
3) First of all Syria is not Nazi Germany performing genocide. Second they should be going to other ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. There are many of them with lots of room. The US should be encouraging this. Not taking them into the US.
“if you think that Syrian refugees should be admitted to Israel, I believe, and many here would agree, there is nothing to talk about anymore.”
I back this 100%
Well said.
I want to know why we can’t allow in the millions and millions of latinos, chinese, koreans, africans, and indians etc that desperately want to come to the US but cant. I dont think its fair.
I am curious to know if anyone actually living in a place that the refugees would start living could weigh in on this, besides everyone else who allowing the refugees in will not directly effect their lives.
Skullcandy goes into the ear canal, a lot of people can’t stand that.
“If the homeless shelters were full, I’m sure you’d open your home, though. Right?”
Thats exactly right! Politicians and many citizens are so emotional about letting the Islamic refugees in no matter the cost, as long as they personally dont have to sacrifice anything. Only the people that the refugees actually live around have to deal with it, while the people making the decisions continue to live in their gated mansions and private estates where a refugee would be arrested if tried to enter.
Honestly Joseph, I would let all the Syrian refugees into Brooklyn and give each one with all their kids a car along with mosques on every other block.
Honestly Joseph, I would let all the Syrian refugees into Brooklyn and give each one with all their kids a car along with mosques on every other block.
Its not a joke. Some people cant stand headphones that go into the ear canal. Others cant stand the opposite.
There are people suffering in countries all over the world. I said this before, why doesn’t the US simply open its borders and let people from all countries come in as many as they choose. Europe let in lots of arabs and they elevated the quality of life for people in all the countries they moved into right?
do you want ear phones that go inside your ear canal or inside your ear?
“And note that Brooklyn’s 300,000 population increase over the last only 25 years is mostly not due to the birth rate. It is mostly due to non-Brooklynareans choosing to become Brooklynareans rather than to move to a small town or another city.”
Thats interesting. What type of people are you talking about? I would have assumed it was caused from every frum family have 8+ kids for past 25 years and those kids each having 8+ kids and all of them staying in Brooklyn.
NYC has a population density of 28,000 people per square mile.
Compare that to 6 (not 6,000 but literally 6) people per square mile in Wyoming.
Since 1990 there are 300,000 more people in Brooklyn alone.
Its not surprising that traffic gets worse with increased population.
I thank Hashem every day I dont live in a big city. My biggest traffic problem is when a deer causes an accident Gd forbid or a family of geese are blocking the road. I’ve lived in a big city before and would never go back.
apushatayid: ” if you want such a shiur, join a 5th grade class in most boys yeshivas.”
Rashi, moed katan 9b
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I believe Rov Elyashiv tried it one year towards his final years and thought it was a little too easy for himself personally because it took away any hunger.