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newbeeMember
zahavasdad: “Most people who write history are biased, and they will usually write their accounts from their own perspective and frum authors are not exempt.”
Exactly, thats why ideally I would prefer translated primary sources or at least a scholarly book written objectively as possible. Do you have any other suggestions? I know many Jews in Germany were not observant at all and the first ordained female Rabbi of reform Judaism was murdered in one of the camps. Im curious to know if what was going on in Germany was also happening the Poland and read detailed accounts of what was happening.
February 12, 2016 6:24 am at 6:24 am in reply to: Is authentic Judaism incompatible with being rich and famous? #1137055newbeeMembersqueak, yes though I think (and I could be wrong about this) the attitude is going in “I can do both” and then gradually, gradually they slip and slip further. I would not even be mentioning it if it didn’t happen to basically literally everyone I know in these positions.
But I think you are right- a human can only have one passion in life really. When that passion becomes the ikar (which it must if one wants to become the most famous and well known in that field) the Torah will change from being a passion to being an obligation. And when it becomes merely an obligation we tend only to keep the bare requirements- such as shabbos and kosher.
newbeeMemberzahavasdad: I just saw the video Munkatch and watching those children sing hatikva was chilling and inspiring at the same time.
Thanks for the other suggestions as well, I will look into them.
I found a book “The Life of Jews in Poland before the Holocaust: A Memoir” I will try.
If anyone knows similar books like these, a memoir or historical account of day-to-day life several years prior to the Holocaust, please share. There are many books about the holocaust itself but not so many about day-to-day life prior to the holocaust.
February 11, 2016 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm in reply to: Is authentic Judaism incompatible with being rich and famous? #1137053newbeeMemberI think many people ignored a key part of my question, the “and famous” part. Meaning, choosing an occupation where you strive to become a celebrity of sorts and very well known within that field when that field is not related to Judaism i.e not a famous rabbi or the King of Israel or prophet of God- as some of you have mentioned to refute my observation (I thought this was obvious).
Its just a blatant trend I noticed in my person life and wondered if others have noticed it also. I have likewise noticed a trend that extreme poverty often (though not as much) leads to going off the derech to an extent as well for many people in subtle ways.
February 11, 2016 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm in reply to: Is authentic Judaism incompatible with being rich and famous? #1137052newbeeMemberassurnet, what a powerful and honest post. Can you try to make set times for learning no matter what? but I know its easier said than done. Hatzlacha to you.
Perhaps Hashem was trying to humble you not to judge others who had that yetzer and now you can move on.
newbeeMemberIts also important to keep in mind often retail stores are forced to give sales because they are desperate to stay in business and can make very little to no profit on the sale item. He might be struggling to stay afloat to feed his family and support himself. While this might not apply to him and doesn’t mean you have to shop there its something to keep in mind. I also hate when stores do these things but I can also sympathize with the owners.
Most business owners making plenty of profit would honor the price to make the customer happy. The fact that he didn’t probably means he cant afford to and his business is not doing well.
newbeeMember“If it’s subtle and not very noticeable, then again, I ask… how it is any different than wearing makeup on a date?
The Wolf”
Wolf, this is a family program, must keep it tznius. So no one is really going to be able to answer your question. And im pretty sure he meant when it is a significant difference in person.
newbeeMemberIf you have a twin can you use the shidduch photo of the twin to save time?
newbeeMemberSo far my thread “Common Mistakes People Make- halachically” has 50 posts while the thread “Things that people do wrong – halachically” has 62. Come on guys we have to catch up.
newbeeMemberThanks for sharing these experiences, I can certainly relate to them. I used to keep a journal whenever these sorts of things happened. And months later when going through hard times I would read them to remind myself. Because thats what the yetzer does, it tries to make you forget.
I find its much easier to experience the shechina over shabbos. Everything is more powerful and multiplied on shabbos as if there is a closer connection. That said, have a great shabbos.
newbeeMemberI was very frustrated by the lack of responses you are right. How something that is this meaningful to me and fundamental is rarely spoken about and hard to get others to speak about.
“I think it will trigger responses in people whether they choose to post them or not.”
I hope so, thanks. A the end of the day I think it is a personal relationship with Hashem that keeps people frum and brings in bale teshuva. Not intellectual arguments, academic learning or habitual practice. Those are necessary of course, to have a rational foundation, but its not the ikar.
newbeeMemberYW Moderator-29: Thats an interesting point about people discussing it in real-life. I dont generally see this and it is usually a subtle thing known but not discussed. But its very possible others do discuss it. If you look at my OP, its very non-intimidating and any such tone you mentioned is completely unintentional.
As I said in the OP, “I know this is a very personal question and appreciate any answers.”
newbeeMemberIm sure there are people who disagree but its a worth a look anyway.
newbeeMembertakahmamash: “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Either that, or you misunderstood what you were reading.”
newbeeMemberAvram in MD: Thanks your second post was very interesting to read.
“When I am learning Torah I get a sense of awe that what I am dealing with is not of human origin, but is in fact Divine.”
I can certainly second this 100%. This always happens when I learn Torah, it is obvious to me I am learning something holy originating from God especially when I delve in to it.
Though I never feel anything during birchas kohanim. Not once.
Regarding the too personal point you made: the posters are anonymous and there are many many threads here about relationships with family members.
I think a lack of dialog regarding the actual relationship with Hashem is strange and troublesome. How can we love Hashem with all of our heart, soul and might and never talk about this relationship. If it is purely a traditional, rational or habitual approach, how can you be mekayem that mitzvah?
newbeeMemberI read that flossing actually doesn’t do much if anything.
newbeeMemberAlso, do some people feel nothing at all and only relate to mitzvos out of a sense of intellect or obligation?
newbeeMemberI would recommend getting some solid genes prior to being born.
newbeeMemberI do appreciate the answers that were given sorry if I was not clear. I am not asking others for advise on how to experience this. I am asking them to describe their own experiences.
“it is the most marvelous feeling in the world.”
“When I feel hashem’s presence it is usually a chill down my body when I daven”
“it feels good :)”
“so Hashem made me take my son to the doctor this past Sunday so he can go to school”
These are the answers I am looking for. What is the feeling you get when you are in the presence of the shechina? How does Hashem influence your life?
For me, something happens to my eyes, almost as if they are uplifted, and my entire body feels uplifted and holy. I can sense that something else is with me and I am not alone. Do other people experience something similar? The face of Moshe would become radiant when he spoke, so we see that the shechina’s effects can be described in physical terms.
newbeeMemberSo not one person can actually describe what it feels like to come into contact with God and what a personal relationship feels like?
Instead lets have another 5 thousand conversations about cholov yisroel, talking in shule and shidduchim.
newbeeMemberGiven all the talk on this site about literally everything about Judaism, the most important thing- our relationship with Hashem, is rarely discussed in detail. At least I find this to be true- and ironic.
newbeeMemberI think it would be best if people addressed my (the OP) question and ignored Mashiach Agent completely.
newbeeMemberGiven all the talk on this site about literally everything about Judaism, the most important thing, our relationship with Hashem, is rarely discussed in detail. At least I find this to be true- and ironic.
Still, no one had been able to describe this relationship in any way. Well besides Joseph that is (which I do appreciate), and he only said “good”.
newbeeMemberThe Queen: Sam Klein/Mashiach Agent is trolling as usual, please dont take him seriously.
newbeeMemberJoseph, and what does this presence feel like when you talk to Hashem? Can you describe it? I of course know what it feels like for me but am very interested to hear other people.
newbeeMemberAdditionally, what triggers this sense of shechina?
Is it:
Davening the Shomeneh Esrei?
Saying Tehillim?
Laining and Learning Chumash?
Studying Gemara?
Doing Chessed?
etc.
newbeeMember(Im just seeing the title of the thread)
After thousands of years of shidduchim I’m pretty sure we’ve figured out that both boys and girls are equally shallow. Boys want beauty and respect. Girls want status and to feel cherished. Both want money. While girls are equally shallow as boys, some people consider them to be more shallow because they are expected to be less shallow by those same people in society.
January 31, 2016 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm in reply to: What if landlord insists on showing the house on shabbos? #1134760newbeeMember“Newbee: Why is Goyim not keeping Shabbos a Zilzul of Shabbos?
I assumed he was saying it is zilzul shabbos to have it going on in your house, which it is.”
Correct this is what I was saying. Sorry for the late reply, I thought it was obvious.
January 28, 2016 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm in reply to: What if landlord insists on showing the house on shabbos? #1134732newbeeMemberWhats the moral of this question?
Own your own home (or at least get a frum landlord).
January 28, 2016 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: What if landlord insists on showing the house on shabbos? #1134728newbeeMemberIt would completely ruin the shabbos atmosphere to have people come in. Its business at the shabbos table. They talk on the phone in front of you etc. Of course its zilzul shabbos.
January 28, 2016 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm in reply to: If you do not have s'micha, can you advertise yourself as "Rabbi"? #1134354newbeeMemberI like the question of calling someone WITH smicha “mr” which people do if they are not practicing. What about “Father” can you call someone who is not ordained as a priest “Father”?
Oh, what about someone with conservative or reform smicha?
These are very important questions in our time. Very important.
newbeeMemberFor some reason I find it embarrassing walking into a gas station wearing a kippa and buying a lottery ticket. Maybe Id be more open to doing it if I could buy one online.
But I still think the “down” feeling after you dont win might outweigh the “up” feeling people get after they initially buy the ticket.
newbeeMemberwolf: “For $2, I get to fantasize for a few hours about what I would do if I won. $2 for a few hours entertainment is a pretty good value.”
I agree with you in theory, but can you honestly say after fantasizing for all that time and you dont win there are no negative side effects?
Also, why only a few hours? If you buy the ticket days in advance you can stretch it out for days no?
newbeeMemberThe real question you have to find out is, being that it would be irresponsible to buy $10-$20 worth of tickets but not $1-$2:
has anyone actually won with only buying 1 ticket?
newbeeMemberSpending $1-2 on a ticket is neither bitachon nor hishtadlus.
It can be a good thing if it gives you hope and is productive.
It can be a bad thing if you don’t win and leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth and makes you angry or bitter after even subconsciously.
Make sure its not the later.
newbeeMember“The lottery is a tax on stupid people.”
I recently read a story about a guy who on a hunch bought 10 tickets at a gas station and won over a hundred million even though he usually did not buy. “hey you never know”
January 8, 2016 3:34 am at 3:34 am in reply to: Being in kollel vs working and learning – which is better? (and other questions) #1121943newbeeMember“I just cant decide without any guidance on this matter”
Yea zionism also isn’t really spoken about. Honestly, I think people just aren’t that into it and find it a boring subject.
While its impossible to give you a yes or no answer, its 100% the second one and we are all doomed.
newbeeMember“because people make u crazy a whole day to give them money”
Ahhhh, let that be my biggest problem.
January 8, 2016 3:26 am at 3:26 am in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174508newbeeMember“And If people (not the frum olim) knew that there were people who refused to work, spent time studying all day and took government benefits for an indefinite period of time, Do you think the majority of Americans would be in favor of their tax money going to this?”
Do you really think law makers lack the ability to know whats going on? Stop feeling bad for the federal and state government. The system works the way it does, kollel families can choose to use it or not for their benefit so long as they are not breaking the law. There is no smell test. People are expected to feed their families if the law allows for it, its built in to the system.
Trump, a BILLIONAIRE, openly brags about taking advantage of the system legally for his benefit. But I dont see you complaining about him, only poor kollel families. If they are putting pressure and guilt on individuals for support thats one thing, but dont feel bad for the system. Take your gripes to the politicians and law makers not the poor kollel families.
January 7, 2016 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174498newbeeMember“I agree. And to a large extent, the “smell” says more about the smeller than the doer.”
Yup, its nobody’s business “smelling” what other people are doing with their finances behind the scenes unless they work for such a governmental agency. The government is more than capable of taking care of itself against poor kollel families if it chooses to thank you.
January 7, 2016 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm in reply to: Being in kollel vs working and learning – which is better? (and other questions) #1121940newbeeMember“ooh this is fun! thanks Newbee!”
Sure thing, I figured if I did not start a thread with these questions, people would have no way to discuss them otherwise and the rest of society will have no answers or advice about these topics.
Best to at least get a conversation started about them rather than leave them in the dark.
January 7, 2016 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174494newbeeMember“Probably another 7 years.”
lol
January 7, 2016 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174489newbeeMember“but who gets to be the arbiter of what wholly legal activities smell good or bad?”
There is only legal and illegal. Smelling does not matter. And a judge determines if it is legal or not in this country.
This thread is getting really off topic and silly, I wonder how much longer its going to last.
January 6, 2016 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm in reply to: Will there be Sephardi Chareidim in the next generation?? #1132972newbeeMember“many of these Sephardic Chariedim are so ashamed of where they are from!!! THIS IS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN THE GEDOLIM OF AMERICA GET INVOLVED AND SAVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I dont think writing in all caps with a dozens of exclamation marks is going to get the gedolim to read what you have to say more so than if you wrote in lowercase with no exclamation marks.
newbeeMember“Anyway, I think this thread is a pretty good example how we dont take these things literally. “
“newbee,
Perhaps one could say there are different levels of ideal.”
I dont understand how what you quoted is related to what you said after. There can certainly be two ideal things but I dont think there is a way to say this one is more ideal than that.
Thats why I said after talk to your TOM
newbeeMember“strictly based on what was being implied or stated in Pesachim”
Im saying the gemara in pesachim would not view that as ideal. The gemara in pesachim later says that it is a bracha for a talmid chochom non-kohen to “attach themselves” so to speak to the seed of ahron by marrying a bas kohen so they have both torah and kehuna after. So it seems it would be ideal for such a yisroel or levi to marry a bas kohen according to the gem. What that means, take it as you will and how/if this applies today speak to your tom (trusted orthodox mentor). I just wanted to clarify the basic gem.
January 5, 2016 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174461newbeeMember“he would have agreed in a different era”
Thats my point. Things change in different eras.
“That is still not aggada”
Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, the Ramchal, discusses this two-tiered, literal-allegorical mode of transmission of the Aggadah in his well known Discourse on the Haggadot. He explains that the Oral Law, in fact, comprises two components: the legal component (??? ??????), discussing the mitzvot and halakha; and “the secret” component (??? ??????), discussing the deeper teachings. The aggadah, along with the Kabbalah, falls under the latter. The rabbis of the Mishnaic era believed that it would be dangerous to record the deeper teachings in explicit, mishnah-like, medium. Rather, they would be conveyed in a “concealed mode” and via “paradoxes”. (Due to their value, these teachings should not become accessible to those “of bad character” and due to their depth they should not be made available to those “not schooled in the ways of analysis”.) This mode of the transmission was nevertheless based on consistent rules and principles such that those “equipped with the keys” would be able to unlock their meaning; to others they would appear as non-rational or fantastic.
January 5, 2016 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174453newbeeMemberdaas, No hard feelings, but that IS aggada. You just admitted its not legalistic and is advice.
“It’s not literal in the sense that it’s a blanket issur, or that there aren’t factors to consider, but it’s a real preference based on what is typical for a talmid chochom.”
typical for a talmud chochom? In what generation? What constitues a talmid chochom? in what country is it typical? But you said it as a blanket statement and you dont know what other factors there are to consider and you dont know how that aggadic statement applies in our current generation living in the year 2016.
January 5, 2016 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174452newbeeMemberIm a male btw msprincess- but yes thats what im saying you are correct. For instance, the gem in pesachim was written during a time when most of the people high up there and in general had impeccable pedigree and the very concept of being a talmid chacham was held to a much higher standard.
January 5, 2016 4:51 am at 4:51 am in reply to: Are Kollel Folks Better Jews Than The Rest Of us? #1174446newbeeMemberI did read meforshim who specifically said we dont take these things literally. Its not because I dont find it PC. So we agree its advice that does not apply today in that way.
All aggada in the gem is advice, stories, messages that were directed to a society that was completely different from ours thousands of years ago. So you have to put the “advice” (your word not mine) in context. Good night, no hard feelings.
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