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“And i just don’t see that happening unless you took religious philosophy 101.”
Yea??
Try Social Science 101 and Phil 101. Apikorsus is rampant in the humanities.
Syag, No. I wrote two sentences. You only quoted one of them. I said:
“Ummm…. thats LITERALLY what we learned about when I was in college. Along with lots of other material I would never need to know in life.”
“As one of my Rabbaim (who went to College for a semester or two) used to say, Clown U. :)”
Well said. Well said.
“well i find that really odd.Somewhat hard to believe actually. maybe the problem was more about your ability to chose classes carefully.”
These were basic courses I had to take to complete my requirements. I also said “along with many other things I will never need to know in life”.
The content was practically useless/not-as-important-as-learning-Torah at best and heretical/dangerous at worse.
“A simple example is Blockbuster video stores who were killed by Netflix. Walmart is getting killed by Amazon.”
Ummm…..If I could only fail like Walmart and Blockbuster! When my business goes bust after many successful years I can retire as billionaire or start a new business with all the money I saved in the bank.
Get a mentor, a financial adviser, perhaps look into buying an already existing and established business from someone looking to retire. Have a little bitachon. That 150k+ will be better spent that way opposed to learning how great atheism and communism is while going for a BA in some college.
“This shows great ignorance about college, most courses have nothing to do with Atheism or communism.”
Ummm…. thats LITERALLY what we learned about when I was in college. Along with lots of other material I would never need to know in life.
Regarding what writersoul said, true, the wages will go down somewhat for any profession where there are more people willing / able to do the work.
“The Novominsker Rebbe graduated from Brooklyn College”
Being that he literally inherited his position, I doubt Brooklyn College was all that helpful to him for finding a parnasa.
Most people going to Brooklyn College learning about why its great to be an atheist and the communist manifesto are not next in line to inherit a Rabbinic Dynasty.
“The reality in the USA is that good paying jobs for those without college degrees very often require the willingness to work “odd hours” and weekends when needed.”
If you go into business for yourself and are your own boss you can make your own hours. True you most likely will need a certain amount of capital but some frum parents shell out 150k+ per child to go to college.
I would rather see that 150k+ go towards a well thought out business plan with an adviser and mentor than spend it on learning why atheism is awesome, the communist manifesto, Shakespeare and ending up with a worthless BA in English lit.
“if a job is that good for frum life, it will become saturated- not just with frum people but with people in general, because everyone wants a job like that.”
You can say that about any career. “If being a lawyer is such a good job, it will become saturated.” “If being a psychologist is such a good job, it will become saturated.” “If being a website developer is such a good job, it will become saturated.”
lol typo, humanity courses.
But one can also call them humility courses I suppose because after you graduate with a humanities major you are certain to learn what humility truly is when using said degree as wall decoration in your homeless shelter.
So that $22,000 and 4 years of your life wasted to get that BA in Philosophy.
“An Actuary is a good paying job that requires a Degree in Math”
Thats misleading. You need much more than a BA math degree. After you graduate you have to take very difficult exams with advanced math. It can take 6-10 years to finish all the exams. You have to have a very high aptitude for intense math course and have a specific career goal. That is very different than saying get a 4 year BA in English or Math at a CUNY school because it can “open a door”.
Your time can be better spent doing other things than opening doors with a 4 year CUNY BA degree.
“Many jobs will not grant you an interview without the degree, its very hard to get your foot in the door without it”
Those jobs are usually low paying and that mindset is changing more and more anyway.
I would dare to say for most poeple unless you are willing to go to grad school and take hard math and science courses with a specific career goal dont go to college at all.
Im not saying don’t become a doctor, dentist or engineer. But these studies require hard math and science courses for many years and usually require taking out student loans unless you have very wealthy parents. As for law, all the young lawyers I know hate their jobs with a passion. And many accountants also hate their jobs or find them extremely boring.
So unless you have an aptitude for the high level math and science courses and plan on going to grad school…. stopping at a BA or taking the social science and humility courses to educate yourself indeed is a stupid waist of time.
“Public Universities Like CUNY do not require loans, they are quite cheap. You can minimize Apikorsus by taking things like Math, Accounting and English”
Do you honestly think the people reading this wondering to get some BA degree are thinking about becoming a math professor at Harvard? There is no point in getting a BA in english or math unless you have a specific career path or enjoy supporting a family on $20 an hour after you graduate. Cuny colleges still cost thousands of dollars per semester and take up all your time you could be using more productively.
I would say at least doing nothing so you have free time to learn Torah or a trade or skill is better than wasting your money and time getting a BA degree that wont lead to a good job anyway.
“As someone with 2 BA’s , It is very unhelpful when people say that and then people cannot get decent jobs.”
They can’t get decent jobs with a BA either.
So I suppose you would say wasting hours upon hours learning secular studies, MUCH of which is flat out apikorsus and biased while taking out student loans and putting yourself in debt or paying a lot of money to learn such studies is better than saving your money and time?
“I shouldn’t have a care in the world on others’ perceptions.”
And they dont have a care in the world about yours. I cant remember the last time I looked at someone daven and thought anything whatsoever about their davening. If they daven long I dont notice. If they daven short I dont notice. I just dont care. I think 95% of people also dont care.
Yea I agree with that. But saying things like,
“Wake up the sleeping but angry and frightened passions…He will then be able to do whatever he wants. Even radically change (dismantle) the constitution. Something totally new in america, but very old in the world, may be about to happen.”
Is complete nonsense. It shows a lack of understanding of our political and social climate.
The vast majority of people could care less how long or short you daven. Daven at whatever speed you want. These days, its not even considered kovodik to daven long really. Unless you make the minyan and are delyaing people just do whatever you want.
The only time I have an issue is if someone davens a 3 min S”E b’yochid and a 15 min one b’tzibur. Such a person must think people will respect him more for davening longer, which they dont. They dont care.
All Trump cares about in my opinion is himself. He doesn’t have any values besides Trump. He is not racist, anti-semetic or anti anything besides anti those who are anti-trump.
“All this potential tyrant has to do is wake up the sleeping but angry and frightened passions of the american people. He will then be able to do whatever he wants. Even radically change (dismantle) the constitution, and the scope of presidential power.
Something totally new in america, but very old in the world, may be about to happen. by feivel on 2016-03-17 at 12:00 pm”
This is utter nonsense. No such thing will even come close to happening even if Trump wins. When nothing ever happens like what you said you should look back at this post prior to posting another silly doomsday theory.
I promise the first thing I thought when looking at the title of this post was it was for sure started by Joseph. I was right.
“I’m not aware of someone being declared a mamzer”
Thats a great example of how certain halacha works. Rabbis found a way not to declare people mamzerim and sell our chametz and build an eruv.
“made a klap on the bima to announce he followed it and it would’ve been reported in the Hamodia”
Im pretty sure there is a difference between that and about never hearing about this happening once- ever in modern history. If a woman was left to drown even once I am sure we would have heard about.
I quoted the chelkas yaakov, rambam and taz about the kohanim having a lesser status today. But its good you looked into the igros about what Yoseph hatzadik was saying.
Its not my own “boich sevora bubbe maaisa” I literally emailed a rov, asked mine in person, and called a halacha hotline. They all told me the same thing.
I was not saying hush hush it, a roshe yeshiva said that. I personally think if it is the halacha and no one knows about it it should be taught to hatzola and doctors and made public in every young israel since no one knows about it.
But saying I dont like it is like saying I dont like the halacha that allows me to enslave a human being, breed him with another slave against his will and keep his children as slaves after he is set free.
Halacha changes. Situations change with every generation. If it is truly halacha lemeisa you have to tell me why you cant tell me ONE time it was EVER practiced or why every Rabbi I ask says we dont follow it.