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Rabenu bechaya says, that once it becomes a nes nigleh, it wont work for most people.
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newbeeMemberbe joyful: Im suprised the mods allow such blatant trolling. you have no armaments you can say but you dont like the way it makes you feel, so you are trolling.
simcha613: thats a good point. A problem is that the gem there in brachos 60a says until 40 days you should daven to have a boy, even though sex is determined at the time of conception in reality. It also says that if you hear screaming from your town you should not daven that it is not from your house but you can say if there is a fire, allow my family to be saved from the fire.
The shulchan aruch brings both cases down, and says that one should not pray to change the child’s sex after 40 days, and also that one should pray to change what is hidden from the eye- both cases right next to eachother.
newbeeMemberbe joyful: “the medicine & doctor is %100 FAKE” and “only hashem can save you”
The truth of the second statement is not dependent on that of the first statement. What does “the medicine is fake” even mean, it’s up to Hashem to have allowed you to be born in a time where that medicine existed. If Hashem did not want the medicine to save you, you would have be born prior to the medicine’s creation.
Your either a troll or an….
newbeeMember“However,many great Rabannim hold of such an idea and both sides should not be dismissed,elu velu…”
Are there “many great rabonim” that do not hold of gilgul?
newbeeMemberits ok, i was saying what some people may subconsciously feel towards crippled and abused people if they accepted such a belief structure- which is why it can be dangerous.
haleivi- now that you mention it yes, i kind of remember saying that, think in the early 60’s or so- BCE that is
newbeeMembermy difficultly was that the reality would be the same before and after you look- so what difference should it make. but now we learned that Hashem can change the reality.
newbeeMemberI just heard definitively from my rov that the answer why the halacha is as brought down in orach chaim (thanks Sam2, what a zchus) that one should daven before counting when the reality is the same? Because Hashem can make a nes before the count without it being a nes nigleh. The halacha is one should say this before a doctor also, but without shem umalchus because a bracha is not guaranteed.
Nu, so if someone has cancer in their body and NO ONE knows about it, before going to a doctor Hashem can do the same thing no? If it were a nes nigleh, there would be no bechira in the world. So to go to the doctor without davening and doing teshuva and taking away the possibility of a nes nistar is thus very dangerous.
newbeeMember“I believe judging others in the way newbee suggested is reprehensible. (Sorry, newbee.)”
Ummm, thats exactly what i said we must not do, its basically the entire point I have been making. You must have read something I posted very wrong as I have been saying the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of.
newbeeMember147: why did you write it so weird adding the c? All that says is that one is obligated to pay doctor fees.
“can cross without looking?” no because you are being somech on a neis. how is doing teshiva and davening prior to going to a doctor being somech on a nes? Maybe I should have made clear I am not referring to a case of needing IMMEDIATE attention.
Joseph: Thanks
Can someone please explain “??? ???? ?? ???? – ??? ?? ???? ???”
why wasnt the ???? ??? before ??? the reality is exactly the same before he made the bracha?
newbeeMemberhow is that the same logic? if you do this while crossing the street everyone will see nisim being performed for you, which defeats the whole point. no one can know about it the other people nor you, “no eye has seen”. obviously we cant be somech on a nes,
newbeeMemberhaleivi: “Will his spine just turn into a snake or is this alluding to a non-physical transformation?”
Its interesting the maharsha in nidah 30b related to the verse ?? ?? ???? ?? ??? which the act itself is similar to bowing and humbling as referring to the day of death later says the gem does not mean one should view himself as a rashsa literally, but rather view himself as a rasha because of what he did in a previous gilgul, exactly what Rabbi Mizrachi says. However, in this context its apparent that only the person should say this about himself, and others dont have the right to say this to him.
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newbeeMember“You buy a lotto ticket knowing the odds are so slight, but you say, “Hey, it’s only a dollar to play!”
but if Hashem wants you to win the odds are not so slight anymore, Hashem can cause the number you picked to be drawn. Perhaps it was destined the number you picked was to be drawn since the beginning of time. So it still allows for hope. (note* Im not saying you should or should not play the lottery).
thanks for hearing my point.
newbeeMember“We have the Gemara in Bava Kamma that describes what happens to one who doesn’t bow by Modim. After seven years he turns to one animal, then another and another”
I believe you are mistaken, with regard to a person the gem only refers to the spine of a person who does not bow at modim will turn into a snake. The maharsha says it’s compared to when Hashem said the snake should originally stand straight but but because he refused to humble himself and was arrogant the snake will now crawl, so to a man who does not thank Hashem and humble himself at modim will now crawl, measure for measure. The gem says these types of things often. I did not find any commentary who mentioned gilgul with regards to this gem. Where did you see this?
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newbeeMemberFor some, waiting for moshiach fills the same role as buying that 1 lottery ticket with a possible 100 million dollar pay off- it gives us the happiness of hope and the pleasure of fantasy. I know a popular saying is that one of the keys to hapiness is always have something to hope for- no matter what you may already have. maybe thats what Hashem intended. That the gift of the moshiach is as much before he comes as after.
newbeeMemberIts funny while listening to some of the lectures of Rabbi Kahane on youtube (someone recommended him in another thread for debating dennis prager), in a different lecture he responds to someone in the audience asking him about rumors that moshiach is going to come in 2 years from that time (then 1986). He basically says someone who doesn’t think moshiach is coming soon in this special time is blind- 29 years have since passed. This very well can be a special time- but the period of transition might be a lot longer and gradual than we think.
newbeeMember“Dennis Prager said nothing about baseball here.”
Would it help if I said drives to shule on shabbos instead?
“I believe that the individual who wrote the one negative review on Amazon engaged in nothing more than sinas khinam.”
I thought the amazon review along with the other responses here were actually helpful.
“I’d like to refer everyone to a radio debate from about 30 years ago”
Thanks, just listened to it.
newbeeMember“Many years ago you spoke about a Jew getting up in the morning and saying Modeh Ani. Your words were, and continue to be, an inspiration to me.”
With all respect, honestly, how is this inspirational? Arent there better Torah sources from to get inspiration? Dennis Prager just said to us he is not orthodox- he gets up to say modeh ani on shabbos morning, and then drives to the local baseball game. Chanufa vs “mishum eiva, darkhei shalom, kiddush hashem” is a delicate balance.
newbeeMember” We have the Gemara in Bava Kamma that describes what happens to one who doesn’t bow by Modim. After seven years he turns to one animal, then another and another.”
Im sorry if you make a statement like this you need to send what daf its on so I can corroborate it.
newbeeMemberi have also heard rumors about this for many years now, as did my grandparents before me and their grandparents before them. I am not saying moshiach is not on the way and hope he is! but the fact is throughout Jewish history after every tragedy these rumors are amplified.
I find it is in particular people who are not happy with their own lives that are obsessed with moshiach coming any day now. I hope they are right. But in terms of dreams, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard non-Jews dreaming about JC coming to them and telling them things.
we can only hope, but should one quit their day job and use all their savings to move to eretz yisroel? probably not the best idea. As a great rov once said, you should not want moshiach to come for yourself, since this will limit how much you can live with mesiras nefesh. you should only want him to come as a sacrifice for the sake of the world seeing a kidush Hashem.
newbeeMember“Finally, for the record, while I am not as observant as an Orthodox Jew, I believe the Torah is from God and I tell this to the millions of Jews and non-Jews to whom I speak daily on my nationally syndicated radio show. I have tried to be a Kiddush Hashem every day that I have broadcasted over the past 33 years.”
I am surprised Dennis responded and I think that takes a lot of integrity. However, the fact is he is not an orthodox Jew- and the mitzvah of kiruv does not take precedence over giving up the Torah. Since he was apparently raised orthodox, i dont know how tinok shenishba could be applied here. I know it must be hard with a busy schedule to keep shabbos and kosher when you have to travel all the time- but its something we must do. I dont know you as well as the others, but I can’t give this book as a gift to an orthodox man. You seem like a very good person and may Hashem bless you.
newbeeMemberOh thanks for the heads up i thought he was MO. I checked out the book somewhat from what I read about it he doesn’t keep shabbos, so it’s probably best not to buy a book he wrote about the aseres hadibros….
newbeeMemberhaleivi: i dont understand your point, perhaps someone else can weigh in.
newbeeMember“he is suffering for someone else.”
you are then left with the same question, how is it just that an innocent person is being tortured for the sins of someones else- which leaves us with my origin answer- “we cant know”.
“Jewish children being killed….turned out to worship an idol during the Krias Yam Suf.”
You just contradicted yourself. Now we can say according to this that whenever a Jewish boy dies its because look he would have sinned if he stayed alive. People who suffered along such as family members must also have sinned and deserve this punishment.
newbeeMemberi understand the concept, that people need perfection, so Hashem is metaken them to achieve this perfection. someone who is autistic is possibly on a much higher level than I am, since I am no where close to perfection.
But human nature is very primal and reductive. If it’s torah you have to teach it 100% no matter what problems it may cause. But people are now equating the concept of gilgul to shabbos, kashrus and moshiach. PS: There is a lot of bad chinuch as well.
newbeeMembersyag: its human nature. its more common for little kids to say it, but it applies to many people:
An 8 year old:
“my autistic friend dovid is being punished because he was naughty before his mommy became his mommy. A long time ago, he had a different mommy and daddy, and he was very naughty, so now he has to be punished by his mommy and daddy this time.”
An 18 year old:
“my autistic friend dovid is different than I am. dovid spoke lashon hara in a previous lifetime, now he has to correct himself by suffering in this world. I hope I do not have to suffer like he does, so I will try not to sin like he did and I wont speak lashon hara and the like”.
A 28 year old:
“Maybe we should invite dovid over for a kiruv shabbos, so we can show people what happens to you when you speak lashon hara.
newbeeMember“While it is easier for you to hear “I don’t know” as a better option”
It’s not easier for me to hear, it is actually very painful, I wish I had a clearer answer. however, from what I have learned and the rabonim i have spoken to it seems to me saying we dont know is a more accurate answer. I wish I was wrong.
“I cannot fathom anyone who has the depth to understand that system to also be capable of such shallow thoughts.”
Thats fine we can agree to disagree and thanks for understanding my point. The same thing you cannot fathom, i see as basic human nature. This complex system you refer to actually has the ability to be reduced in the minds of men to a simple system that a 8 year old can understand very well.
April 19, 2015 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm in reply to: Loshon Hora shittas different than the Chofetz Chaim #1134703newbeeMember“How common is it that the klal, or parts thereof, follow other shittas where it differs from the Chofetz Chaim?”
all the time, especially {name censored} from Passaic who talks lashon hara non-stop about {name censored} from Cedahurst how much of a ganaf he is since he stole all that money from that nebuch…..
newbeeMember“Why do you keep saying criminal?”
Because regarding a mamzer child Rabbi Mizrachi said in a shiur “dont feel bad for him he is really a big criminal” so I am supposing thats what he meant.
syag, I dont have a problem with the system you are referring to. My issues are the fact that we cant know how this system works, and perhaps saying “I dont know why person a is suffering” is more accurate that saying “person a is suffering for something bad (no matter how small) he did in his past life.”
The concept of gilgul is hard to understand on an intellectual level but the real danger is how to prevent human nature- people will start looking at blind people as having committed a grave offence in a previous life- not that they missed shachris.
newbeeMemberYou can look at someone who suffered a tragedy, lets say a child who is autistic. One thing you can say is that
1) we have absolutely no idea why he is suffering but Hashem is doing the best thing for him somehow. 2) he is suffering because he was a criminal is a previous life and Hashem is doing the best thing for him. 3) he was born this way to give other people reward for taking care of him and to test the emunah of other people in Hashem, and Hashem will reward him for this un-earned suffering in olam haba.
I have to admit, it is hard for me to understand how number 3 is possible, since I can’t justify how Hashem can reward the people who were tortured in the holocaust (not the ones who were quickly shot, that I can understand, but rather the ones who were slowly tortured) in olam haba so Hashem can reward them later on. I believe most robbonim will give you the number 1 answer.
April 17, 2015 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm in reply to: Divorced Women Face Higher Heart Attack Risk #1072725newbeeMemberFrancorachel3: “There are no statistics when it comes to Frum people. Hashem tailor makes each jew’s situation, and no studies or statistics are relevant when it comes to what Hashem feels is right for each person.”
Very well said, the best comment I have read on here.
newbeeMemberFrom what I have been told from my Rabbi for what its worth to you, is that Reb Meir in gem brachos says that we can never understanding why suffering happens to good people, this is not to say we have taynas on Hashem. What is wrong 100% is to say I know why suffering happens, it’s for so and so reason, in a strictly rational way and not be emotionally bothered by it.
newbeeMember“Why would you feel bad for the guy.”
The ramchal clearly says in derech hashem that people can be rewarded in this world when they dont deserve it simply because of who their parents or children are. In the next world though the ramchal says all these benefits will be straightened out for good or bad. this allows one to suffer even though the person does not deserve it, but he will be rewarded in olam haba for his suffering. When you view someone who is suffering for this reason, you are more likely to help him and feel more compassion for him apposed to saying he is a formal criminal no?
“lack of point blank reference in the Gemara is not an argument.”
A POSSIBLE answer to my argument does not negate the fact that its an arguement.
“Gilgul is from Toras Nistar. It wasn’t mentioned openly until after the Ramban”
why was it not mentioned openly? and now it can be mentioned so openly to a bunch of people who don’t even know what muktzah is? So you should know, I personally find the idea of gilgul very enticing and have no selfish emotional issue against it.
April 16, 2015 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm in reply to: Will Google Translate Ever Support Talmudic Aramaic? #1072584newbeeMember“all you get is a good rought draft ready for someone who can read the language to turn into readable English”
Yes, thats exactly what I am referring to. Do you think that will ever happen?
“What you’re asking for is Artscroll.”
Not really. I know aramic and I know the difference between the two.
newbeeMemberhalevi: I personally find the concept of gilgul comforting on a personal level because all the suffering that people go through literally keeps me up at night in pain. However, I cannot allow this emotional desire to explain away the pains of life to overshadow the other gedolim. it is also dangerous, as I realized in myself that if I were to accept such a view, the suffering of others would not bother me as much, since they deserved it- and I would not put in as much effort to aliavte suffering that a person deserves (as apposed to suffering from yesurim shel ahahva).
“It is wrong to think that ‘this person did something wrong last life.”
So you are basically saying the concept of Rabbi Mizrachi is correct, but the statement he made “dont feel bad for this kid hes really a big criminal” is wrong? How can you differentiate between the two.
“Therefore, it is irrelevant in this topic.”
I do not follow that. Also, the gem in brachos 5a clearly says if one is suffering one should look at his sins from this life, if he cant find them he should know its yesurim shel ahava or bitul torah- nothing about gilgul.
newbeeMemberWhat if I stain my shirt friday night? Can i throw it in the washing machine/dryer with this type of device, and have it ready by shabbos morning? can i use it to turn the air conditioner on and off? can i use it to grind up coffee grinds and to brew a nice cup of coffee in the morning? can i use it to turn my digital photo album on and off?
newbeeMembertheroshyeshiva: rov rosen not only basically condemns the device but even the man/company who is making it as dishonest!. I hope this does not become main stream. its the same concept as leaving a tv on for shabbos.
“I don’t see the downside to putting these in your home for those just in case moments or to prevent accidentally flicking the switch.”
The downside is they will be used regularly even not by accident. better flick a real switch once by accident than use these every shabbos.
April 15, 2015 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm in reply to: Divorced Women Face Higher Heart Attack Risk #1072718newbeeMember“and the reason women are better off is because they’re married”
That’s my point for people like you- to say that women are better off because they are married is not proven by this study (though is most often true anyway). It’s that women usually are better off staying married once already married than getting divorced- not that women are better off marrying in the first place opposed to never marrying. Anyways, there are new studies every day, I personally think these studies on meaningless on a practical level for individual people.
newbeeMemberCan I ask, what online college and what does he want to get out of it (i.e. do for a living)?
newbeeMember“I really have to doubt your sincerity in even starting this thread.”
I’m sorry you feel that way. I did bring it to my Rabbi and thought it would be nice to talk about it with other people also. I only have the best of intentions.
I never called anything childish or vengeful. You said those words. I am calling it true, false or unknowable; and the practical ramifications of calling it true.
“The shiur is on a topic that is obviously not easily understood and not for everyone.”
It’s public on youtube and is basically titled “if you want to know about this- click here.”
“Your portrayal of a neshamas past nisyonos to be a reason to treat a person differently in this life is even more astounding. Even ridiculous. How do people make such a leap?!”
I dont understand what you dont understand. It’s human nature to treat formal criminals different than innocent victims. You really don’t understand how it could effect someones life who is blind from birth if all of society views him as having committed a grave sin in a previous life?
April 15, 2015 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm in reply to: Divorced Women Face Higher Heart Attack Risk #1072716newbeeMembera lot of it has to do with money. loosing most of your money in court battles over a bad business deal will also give you a higher rate for heart attacks. correlation does not prove causation.
newbeeMemberA very practical question of Rabbi Mizrachi’s views is, if you believe deep down that this boy with autism is not just some “poor kid” but is like that way because he is “really a big criminal” (these are Rabbi Mizrachi’s words) and was sent back here to be punished since in a previous gilgul he used his superior intellect and social skills to become a secular humanist and help the reform movement- will that inevitably effect the way you TREAT him in this world?
I dont know if I’m allowed to post links but you can see the specific shiur I am reffering to below (it is set to automatically go to the right time-spot). If not, please post my post without the link:
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newbeeMember“But if you feel that you are on the stature to agree or disagree with R’ Mizrachi, by all means share your pearls of wisdom!”
Wow, ok. Here is a pearl of wisdom for you. Rov Saadia Gaon says Rabbi Mizrachi is wrong, because the entire concept of gilgul is not Jewish.
“He must have been high on Sinai?”
Yes, every Rabbi today who studied for smicha in 2015 is the equivalent of Moshe Rabeynu- good point.
newbeeMemberwhat if you use an old smart phone, with no wifi availability. i could not imagine at this point going somewhere and not having tanach and shas literally at my fingertips. have to run, sorry if i dont reply for a while.
newbeeMembersirvoddmort: If you dont use it for the internet and only certain finance apps, email and torah apps- what is the problem? You are not going to see shmutz.
newbeeMember“The Rebbi told him that it was like putting a piece of matzah into a dish full of Chometz – not only does the Chometz not become Kosher LePesach, but it actually makes the Matzah chometz too.”
This is nice and all but at the end of the day it is only your rabbis opinion. I need a smart device for work, so yes I would need either a smart phone or tablet anyway. But to say that smart phones are not suitable for most people, especially younger people, and therefore no one should have one, is not pashut in my opinion. Especially if it has a filter.
newbeeMemberI think splitting your learning time and working time in half is a thankless job, though not a job per-say. But since you spend half your time learning you do not get the benefit of standing out at work, getting rich or having a prestigious career and since you work half the time also you are not considered a kollelman and do not get the recognition of being a serious learner and might have a harder time in shidduchim.
newbeeMembersam2: “The party is celebrating their being together as a couple. It’s not explicitly (or even implicitly, nowadays) celebrating a Maaseh Aveirah.”
Sometimes we have to use our common sense. Two men bepharhesya getting married under a chuppa is a public support of toeva. It used to be people were ashamed to do this in public. That’s what they aim to change.
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newbeeMemberI have a 100% searchable tanach+Rashi+shas on my smartphone. I use it all the time. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to stay in yeshiva all day surrounded by sforim.
newbeeMemberThere is a halacha saying you should not laugh at women cleaning
newbeeMemberit should be noted that the store memories pizza went from having 2 reviews to over 500 hate reviews by these people.
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