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cherrybim: You do realize you are not having a casual conversation about type 2 diabetes at your kitchen table with a friend right? You instead made sweeping statements from your personal experience with type 2 diabetes mixed with internet data on a thread about people with type 1 diabetes. And not only about type 1 diabetes- but an even more specified topic of type 1 diabetes and shidduchim.
Type 1 and 2 diabetes are COMPLETELY different. Young people in shidduchim have (in nearly all cases) type 1 diabetes.
I wish you success with handling your TYPE 2 diabetes.
“If halachic dinners became the norm, would that make them okay? ;)”
Haha, oy back to that again.
I was simply saying that its going to be very hard/impossible to enforce. The biggest current issue of this age in my opinion is damaging others through social media. People have ended their own lives because of this.
However, I dont think the couple has the halachic or moral right to demand that guests dont take photos of other guests at the wedding. There is a grey area in secular law regarding who owns wedding photos when it comes to professionals, but at least in secular law a non-professional guest at a wedding would certainly own the photo he took and can share it since there is no right-to-privacy at a wedding. But its certainly wrong to share it if the couple requests not to.
The geni is already out of the bottle- you cant put it back in.
Perhaps you can confiscate each persons cell phone and camera when they walk in. And hire some sort of CIA-like service to spy out for hidden cameras. Have them sign a legal contract agreeing not to take photos- and hire a team of lawyers to prosecute anyone who does.
Might increase cost of wedding.
yiddishemusic: Yea I particularly liked this pearl of wisdom:
cherrybim: “What is the point of letting you know the blood sugar, it’s too late by then.” and “The illness is the cause of severe depression and this escalates the diabetic’s condition.”
There is only one answer to the OPs question of this thread: you need to look into every individual on a case by case basis. Cant generalize or make assumptions when it comes to diabetes as every case is so different.
catch yourself: by strike I mean an organized gathering of mutual protest- they never actually stopped working. So maybe strike is wrong term.
Off topic, but I remember in my high school yeshiva all the rebbeyim had a strike to raise wages, and they were completely justified, but in my 15 year old mind it was devastating seeing rabbis ask for more money. I couldn’t view them the same after.
It will be returned to the bechorim: Mashma from the maharsha when moshiach comes kehuna will be returned to klal yisroel leh olam vaed.
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“It is precisely because of people like cherrybim that many people do not disclose their diabetes.”
The biggest problem is non-expert gossipers over-generalizing and fear-mongering. I know if I spoke to cherrybim about diabetes over a cup of coffee in my house, and the next day got a shidduch offer who was diabetic- I would turn it down, for no good reason. I tell her, dont read what people say online- only speak to your doctor and rabbi/rebetzin, because its only going to make you angry and scared. Yes, even siblings are effected. Much of this is used to increase funding I was told, but you see it has its downsides. My grandpa says diabetics have it so great today, but I guess he doesn’t understand the power of the internet.
I think the bigger question is: why does cherrybim have a vendeta against diabetics and preventing them from dating? What benefit do you get from negligently downplaying technological advances?
“I’d love for anyone to correct me on the facts I’ve presented.”
I’d doubt that, but ok:
My sister replaces the device once every 7 days. It is 100% covered by insurance. It is not invasive at all- she does not even know its there. It is extremely accurate, and needs to be calibrated once every 12 hours. Which takes under a minuet to do. By next year or so, there will not even be a need to do that as the newer versions come out. It has been extremely beneficial, easy to use, and prevents high and low glucose levels. Companies are severely limited to what they are allowed to write by the FDA, but you never even heard of this device since 2 days ago, so you must know all the inside information about it. I am sure you know much more than she does.
cherrybim:
“What is the point of letting you know, it’s too late by then.”
You are not only ignorant, but seem to have a vendetta against diabetics. The device also give the constant direction the sugar is headed- so if a diabetics blood sugar is not high, but going in that direction, the user can correct the situation before it becomes high. And if it is already high or low, the user can promptly correct the sugar.
“A diabetic should be checking his blood on a regular basis anyway.”
You just contradicted yourself.
“And if it’s so great, why don’t all endocrinologists have their patients wear it.”
My sister has it. My grandpa has it. Both their doctors recommended it for them. I was told all doctors do. Maybe some people dont have it because of money- i would imagine its expensive with no insurance.
cherrybim:
Your ignorance of diabetes, technology, lumping all diabetics together, and type 1 and type 2 diabetes together, is quite troubling. I can only imagine the amount of emotional damage you have caused others. If you think are you are helping diabetics or their family member’s- you are not. You might not realize- this is not a thread about general diabetes. Its a thread about diabetes and shidduchim- which can effect many individual people.
The very fact that you never even mentioned the most basic thing- that diabetics, family members of diabetics, and all people, must be viewed individually with regards to shidduchim is a red flag to me.
I wanted to confirm everything before I posted this. A new device was recently introduced that constantly measures a diabetics blood sugar throughout the day and alarms if it ever goes to hi or low. I have seen it in action and was told this makes a qualitative difference. And there is also an artificial pancreas soon to come which will be utilizing this technology.
This is not a good business idea. Think about how many games you are going to rent out in order to turn a profit.
I have two family members who are diabetic, my sister and my grandfather. My grandfather got diabetes in the old days when technology was really bad- and he B”H no serious problems. If no one would have married him, I would not be here right now. There is also supposedly a huge advance coming soon for type 1 diabetics she said so who knows.
It depends: If the person is keeping their blood sugars tight and has consistently good A1C’s (long term average levels) then basically no. If the person is keeping their sugars moderate it depends- some people’s genes will naturally prevent them from developing any issues- others wont. If the blood sugars are really hi over long periods of time- thats a serious cause for concern.
Its irrational to say- “should I date this person or not because he or she is a diabetic.”.
Every person, diabetic or not, has to be viewed individually. Diabetes varies ENORMOUSLY between people. People tent not to differentiate though, and if they know of one person who suffers from complications from diabetes- thats all they will focus on.
“i love that you bumped this thread! I didn’t even realize how old this thread was until i read your post!”
To be honest I was kind of worried about bumping it. People are not going to be rational about this, and think all diabetics are the same, when every case can be totally different. People will just focus on the fear and not bother dating- when in reality it could have made a great shidduch.
Saying silly things like “The illness is the cause of severe depression and this escalates the diabetic’s condition.” like it applies to all diabetics (or any for that matter) is why I was afraid of bumping the thread- it might backfire.
My sister has joined the shidduch world as of last month and has been a type 1 diabetic since she was young- I have gotten to know as much as one can about it (I thought I might also get it- who knows). I think she is more worried about not finding a shidduch because of diabetes than the diabetes itself.
Some things to keep in mind:
1) Diabetes does NOT = serious medical issues. I know someone living with diabetes for over 50 years with no issues from diabetes. Negative effects of diabetes VASTLY differ from person to person for all sorts of reasons.
2) Genetics play a role- some people have diabetes and do not develop issues even if their blood sugars could be better because of good genes (though doctors still cant pin-point this gene, but all agree genes play a role).
3) Advances in technology have made taking care of diabetes much easier.
4) The publicity about diabetes and the complications that it causes are often exaggerated/misleading in order to increase funding.
I hope bumping this thread doesn’t hurt her shidduch chances, and it shouldn’t.
There you go!
Sam2: “There are many studies that show that workers work better with background music. “
Its so nice that you are able to distinguish between different types of work. This is misleading, there are also studies that show music is VERY detrimental to work then it requires concentration. So while it might help with pysicial work, it certainly does not help with work that requires concentration.
I would personally be embarrassed if I was doing something publicly wrong in shule day after day, and would wish for someone to correct me or at least approach me and offer advise maybe I should do it differently (i.e. ask it to him as a question). Not to mention I also want to keep halacha, and assume other people who go to shule do as well.
sam: “I was just responding to what I perceived as an insult to the Gra”
Yes, im sure. And if instead I would have been the one to quote the gra you would have hammered me on that also, saying that doesn’t apply nowdays bla bla bla.
My fav book as a kid was James and the Giant Peach
sam2: Yes, and my point is just as valid. I can always count on you sam to disagree with me, no matter what side of the line.
Thanks
Lake Guy: “better to get married and divorced than to break it beforehand.”
I suggest you make the decision to get married to someone you dont want to be married to and then get divorced instead of asking a trusted rov, mentor and family member. An anonymous internet poster telling you to throw your life away is for sure the way to go.
“doesnt mention if one knows he can’t control himself, he can’t go:”
isnt this mashma that one cant know if he can control himself or not?
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rebyid, go ahead, take the last word….
everything is so blended nowdays, there are no true chassidim or litvaks. there is some of everything in the yeshivos.