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It’s the only place with thorough information about which languages are holy.
Don’t even bother, Joseph. He can say whatever he wants and we can say nothing. PC culture.
Yup. Ashkenaz pride is racism. Sphardim are abjectly superior; denying this is racism… blah blah blah. Sounds pretty familiar to anyone acquainted with the liberal media.
“Avi K, it’s just CTL trying to defend Obama, whenever he can. He feels good that he may have caught me on a technicality, when he didn’t.”
I don’t know that it had anything to do with Obama. He likes catching people on technicalities, which is fine by itself. This is barely even a technicality; it’s just different countries using different words for their head of state. CTL is more than capable of making good points, but he and I share a bad habit of fighting to the bitter end and going down with the sinking ship when we make a silly statement.Avi: I understand the logic behind it. But, if a minority makes up only 3.25% of the population, then that’s how much sway they should have in a democracy (in my opinion). In practice, this would not be good for chareidim in Israel or Jews in America. So, I guess I’m talking on a mostly theoretical basis.
“Atifas Yishmoelim should be done and therefore covering the face is a mistake.”
The M”A says to cover up to the upper lip (don’t cover the eyes), and M”B seems to prefer the opinion that one should cover down to the upper lip (do cover the eyes).
My minhag is like the M”A, and I don’t really understand the logic of covering the eyes, but we aren’t really in a place to call it a “mistake.” Sphardim also seem to leave the eyes uncovered, but they seem to scrunch the tallis up more like a scarf when they do it. I’m not really sure why this is.
“Gadol HaDor is a not a thing. It’s a contemporary, Litvish invention”
And yet you use Chacham Ovadia as an example. It’s a globalism thing now that we have mass communication. By the way, I believe “posek hador” was said in regards to the Chasam Sofer, so it’s not totally new. The only thing new today is the concept of it applying internationally, which is played up much more on YWN than is the reality.
“It has the advantage of stability but the disadvantage of a very unpopular POTUS staying until the end of his term”
In defense of the system, the term limits in the Roman Republic were much shorter. Maybe our’s are just the wrong length.
My problem with the Israeli system is that parties that get ~5% of the vote can end up being the “swing party” in building a coalition and get a disproportionate amount of say in government. Why should a party with 5% support get more say than the party that came in second place? I acknowledge that this helps the frum parties, but it’s extremely anti-democratic.
“Neville — Count how many current members of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah have a father who was one of the Gedolei HaDor and how many do not.”
Why bother? Not every member is colloquially known as the “gadol hador” so it has nothing to do with this discussion.
Is this because you saw the book called the art of bonsai where it shows instructions of people forcefully tying up trees with wire in what looks like some form of torture?
“Yes, we all know there are some well known roshei yeshivos whose fathers and or grandfathers were gedolim, but it’s by no means exclusive.”
Then name some of the exceptions that are around today. Nobody is disputing that the European generation was more merit-based.
My original post was that the Litvish world is moving towards being yichus based. The fact that Joseph had to use previous generations as examples proves my point better than it proves his.
Nope. Just accepting the reality that every person called a “gadol” happens to be descended from a previous “gadol.” You’re allowed to think that’s total coincidence, and I’m allowed to call you silly for it.
“Gedolei HaDor do not come about from yichus or from succeeding one’s father.”
I think the rest of us are in agreement that this point is silly and untrue.
Syag:
I don’t regular imamother (I guess we are allowed to say it) on account of my manliness, but I’ve never noticed any anti-religious activity over there. I occasionally see imamother forums when I google a certain community to find information about it. The posts over there tend to be more informative than here (eg. this school has this hashkafah, then this one is like this, etc…).Over here, when someone tries to make a post like that the responses are just: “why not move to Israel!? Why do you love galus?!?!,” and “no! what’s wrong with Brooklyn?! Or Lakewood? Do you hate frum yidden, you koifer!?!?!”
“Neville: There is strong halachic basis to favoring the child of the deceased rabbi in appointing his successor.”
Yasher koach. Thanks for helping me disprove your original statement.“What’s silly is to pretend that anyone claims yichus isn’t a factor at all.”
Joseph did.“Obama Would be gotten thrown out in 2 years, if we had a parliament.”
And you would have gotten someone like Hillary or Jeb; is that really much better? They just vote for parties over there, not people. With no possibility of an outsider upset, it’s a phony democracy as far as I’m concerned. US is way better.“The chasidim don’t follow many of the psokim of Reb Moshe rather the Chasam Sofer for example cholov stam, mechitza and bima in the middle etc because he mainly wrote them for Lithuania were keeping Torah and mitzvas was more complicated. He did not want his Teshuvas translated into English.”
Neither Reb Moshe nor the Chasam Sofer wrote their teshuvas in Lithuania. I would add to TT’s rebuttal that you haven’t even been talking about cherry picking. You’re giving examples of Litvaks following Reb Moshe, our posek, to the letter. How is that bending for those who disrupt the Torah?
And, by the way, the Chasam Sofer was a central European posek, Reb Moshe was Eastern European, which is part of why who follows whom in some of those disputes. It’s nothing to do with strictness.
“Not that yichus doesn’t have an impact, but there are plenty of cases where the son isn’t worthy and therefore doesn’t take over”
So what? It goes to a nephew or grandson who is more qualified, not to some random, best-qualified candidate with zero family connection.The point is, it isn’t decided by looking at the entire population and picking out who the most learned and qualified is. It’s decided by looking at the portion of the population with the right yichis (a much smaller number of people) and then seeing who’s most qualified. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but it’s kind of silly to pretend it’s not true.
“Rand0m3x,, saying י’ג מדות at night where most say that he is doing more harm than good.”
Where have you seen litvaks do this?There are far better examples you could have used. Litvaks are much more willing to be meikel to avoid offended others, eg. eating over at a household with different kashrus standards, possibly shaking hands with a female, etc.
“No one is groomed to be. Gedolei HaDor are self-made.”
Except every Chassidishe Rebbe ever. I don’t think it would be totally inaccurate to say the yeshivish world is also moving more towards being yichis-based.” However, IMO it’s horrifically ugly that there are zero frum forums where serious females (the types who shrink from aggressive debating)”
There is a very well-known one that is heavily moderated and has ads that somehow get past ad-blockers. I don’t know if I can say the names of competitors here.
“Growing in chassidus” could mean middos chissidus, unrelated to the sectarian meaning.
“his halachic “lifnei ivers” were no different then threads where people are bashing other peoples’ halachic presentations with THEIR rabbonim vs. the other side with THEIRS”
Are you kidding? Did you just not read RGP’s threads, or do you really not see the difference?
“My point was that Yated Israel and Yated US are different unaffiliated publications just like Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are different unaffiliated organizations.”
I’m not exactly an insider, but from what I understand that’s not entirely true. I was told that are upwards of 10 Vishnitz “Rebbes” now between US and Israel that just serve different communities. It’s not a machlokes-driven split. I could be wrong.
Lol, he’s not trying to hind it. The username makes it clear who the OP is. So, RGP got blocked?
As much as I found his antics entertaining at times, it was inevitable. Trolling will always involve trickery, but doing so with the halachah is for sure lifnei iver. There’s a dark possibility that RGP actually thought it would be funny if he could convince unlearned readers to follow a made-up halachah (similar to how trolls on the ganzer internet think it’s funny to convince people that things are secret racism when they aren’t).
“YA, this has nothing to do with chassidim vs. non chassidim.”
You’re comparing the frummest Litvaks to chassidim. B’klal, we all know Litvaks are more likely to be OK with this than chassidim. Most normal yeshivas have English classes where they read books (not necessarily Harry Potter).
“Multiple chassidus sharing a mesorah doesn’t always translate into their taking the same position on political and public policy issues as we have seen over and over again in EY”
Who said it does? When did having a shaychus start meaning two things had to be 100% identical in every regard?“The CR will now return to topics flavored vanilla, decaffeinated and calm, welcoming the boredom of humdrum normalcy.”
This is actually probably true. In a selfish way, I’m actually happy about it. The RGP drama got me way too addicted to the CR.“She has said countless times that dumbledore likes men”
This thread is not about whether or not our children should be perusing JK Roweling’s twitter.“It’s similar with Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel.”
Which also have a shaychus. They may be separate, but they share a mesorah.
“Women listening to shofar and davening maariv etc, but for individual chumras it does not apply.”
Women do not have a chiyuv in maariv according to anyone. Those who do so are encouraged to do it privately as an individual churah to avoid the situation you are describing.
I believe the M”B holds that women are over on bal gaavah if they wear tefillin, so it is unlikely to ever become a minhag.
I personally don’t ascribe to the “everything created by goyim is assur” view. The problem with Harry Potter is that the author has allegedly said in the past that it’s a metaphor for Christianity. It could be a myth given that she’s known to be an extreme social leftist.
I question the validity of the assertion that no women’s suffrage would lead to republican victories. Is there statistical proof that there is such a disparity between women and men’s votes that women’s suffrage has ever actually made the difference? How many households are really 2-party households? (A.K.A. the kind that end in divorce 5 years later). Even for singles. It’s possible that for every feminist who will be alone forever (well-deserved) there’s a corresponding white knight who thinks being a male feminist will get him dates but will also remain alone forever (well-deserved).
Luna: Actually Europe has tried putting women in charge. Merkel has pretty much let the continent turn into an Islamic terrorist haven, and Theresa May continues to refuse to represent her constituents. Do you really think if America put Pelosi, Talib, and Ocasio-Cortez in charge that it would usher in peace and prosperity?
I would love to end women’s suffrage just to troll the feminists. I’m not convinced that it would make any electoral differences, but ruining a feminist’s day is enough motivation for me to support something.
“Wow, RGP & Neville both agree on something!”
What did we agree on? I said people kept using Hamodia, he said people switched.However, it appears you are correct; Yated did reach America first. I don’t tend to come across anyone who actually reads the Yated. Could this be another one of those arbitrary splits between Balhabatish and Yeshivish preference?
“I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.”
Same. Either YWN did some really good journalism and got this story before everyone else, or they got tricked into publishing a non-story.This is great. I don’t even know who is a “character-troll” and who’s real anymore.
“It is accomplishing exactly what you claim to want — not to trick people into thinking that it is dairy.”
You either aren’t understanding, or are pretending not to. The creamer being discussed is true dairy, not dairy equipment. There is actual dairy in the stuff. Jews have to treat it as dairy, and vegans can’t eat it. For all intensive purposes, it might as well be milk (except for the fact that Reb Moshe might not even matir it because of the casein).As far as the OU goes, it’s a problem when combined with their refusal to use a DE label. People conclude that creamers like this are only dairy equipment when this is, in fact, real dairy.
“and why if it doesn’t reach yad soledes are you considering it assur?”
Ask your rov. In this case, RGP is not wrong. There may be some who are meikel, but he isn’t making up a chumrah this time.Also, Laskern, at the very least what you’re describing would probably be nolad. Particularly in your first post in which you didn’t clarify that you were talking about already-cooked foods, which gave the impression that you might have even been implying that you can put raw foods on a timer to go off on Shabbos. As for having cooked food that goes into Shabbos hot, gets cold during Shabbos, then gets reheated via timer, I would imagine if that were mutar then everyone would be doing it.
“Wow, RGP’s really hating on those who don’t have a subscription to cancel.”
Good thing there’s almost nobody that falls into that category.Most Americans never switched from Hamodia to Yated in the first place, so I doubt it.
What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.
So that you could say you attended a restaurant and fool people on the CR into thinking you ate there.
Again, there are plenty of posters who could clarify this Chabad minhag. They prefer to let RGP lie on their behalf.
“The term “kiruv” is antithetical to everything that Chabad and the Rebbe stand for.”
Sigh… Everything you’re saying is super kiruvdik. You’re talking to frum yidden. We all know the first rule of kiruv is to pretend you aren’t engaged in kiruv. I don’t know why you think you have to talk to us like that.Side note:
To clarify what Milhouse is saying, he means Georgia the country, not the US state.“Again, the unanimous reply was that “many Chabad mispallilim INCLUDING THE RABBI attend at the seuda shlishis”,”
Notice the word “attend.” They don’t wash. Also, notice how none of the Chabad posters dissociate from RGP when he lies and twists stuff to defend Chabad. Every single Chabad poster here knows the minhag on seudah shlishis and could have ended this a long time ago.
Kluger: I didn’t say he was a talmid chacham, but I don’t believe your theory is true either. It’s possible, but it seems a bit beyond google.