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Joseph, I’m surprised you’re so willing to make an extreme broadening of the category of pikuach nefesh to apply to seemingly any medical situation to allow using a male in all situations. Very Modern Orthodox of you.
“Okay, let’s see you come clean. What’s your real name, and what’s your connection to Ralbag?”
Seriously… He’s going to say that it’s assur to warn other Jews of a bad hechsher? Lol.
Everyone knows that Triangle K is no good. It was pretty much just included on my list for completeness purposes, but honestly it’s common knowledge to all at this point. If you’re still seeing Hebrew Nationals and getting excited to have such available “kosher” meat, then you either aren’t Orthodox or you’re a really poorly educated Baal Teshuvah. And, yeah, for those here who seem to think Triangle K is fine, I can understand being somewhat upset that you now have to kasher your whole kitchen before the other 99% of the kosher-keeping community will eat from it.
Yes, Haaretz has in fact promulgated the Khazar theory. So yes, seculars do indeed stoop to that level.
Fake news. 100% don’t believe the whole “nearly killed me” nonsense at the end.
Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time. People outside the city wait over 30 minutes; get over your cuddled NYC ways. And, you write about someone leaving their wedding for an emergency call like it’s a bad thing? Waste of forum space.
I still can’t get over rebdoniel’s assertion that the fact that a hechsher stays in business proves that it’s reliable. Is it even worth responding to such comments?
The problem is that commercial entities can’t post a list of “bad hechshers,” for legal reasons which makes it a lot harder to determine. We, as a forum, could actually do such a thing; maybe this deserves a spinoff thread. The list that I know of would be:
Triangle K
Tablet K
Torch K
Cup K (I just learned here. Never seen it before)Any others?
Joseph stated the halacha 100% correctly. He never actually said they don’t have to honor parents, just that they maintain no halachic tie, which is true. This comes up all the time when it comes to ownership of a dead, unmarried ger’s property. How anyone with the most basic knowledge of Gemarra could call Joseph out as being wrong here is beyond me. And, yes, his CR reputation does precede him; if by that you mean he keeps it interesting and has kept a lot of us coming back for years.
I think the OP’s question would have been more interesting had it been regarding a goyish grandparent with a typically Jewish name. Say the ger had a grandpa David.
The worst technological innovation is the coffee room. I can’t believe there are so called “frum yidden” willing to post in it. Have they no shame?
Mik, at this point these are legitimate shailos, not philosophical discussion items. There are times throughout davening where it is mutar to interrupt to prevent a financial loss. The fact that such halachah exists, proves that we are NOT to just make it up as we go and cut out whatever part of Torah makes our working lives difficult.
One time I was offered something at work that was cholov stam, and the lady showed me the OU-D and said, ‘See? It’s kosher. You can eat it.” How does one explain himself out of such a situation?
Say, “I’m fleishig.” She’ll understand.
For the OP, I totally understand the struggle; I find benching to be the hardest, but there’s no heter to just not say brachas. In fact, the Misnah Berura says you should be more brazen with your mitzvos around secular society and more humble and kept to yourself around fellow Jews. I’m not calling you out for the situation you described as I think 90%+ of the frum world also gets it backwards.
Will he rely on the Heter Mechira?
I already have mine: NC”B. Guess I should probably get cracking on that sefer halachah.
I checked. I got 34, which is close enough that I suspect I did something wrong. Do you count Pesach Sheni? Do you stop erev erev Shavuos?
I guess we’ll have to wait until Moshiach to know what Heimishe really means…
You know you’ve been spending too much time on the CR when you remember every previous “spending too much time on the CR” thread.
There are people who keep Chalav Yisroel, but not for equipment. That being said, I doubt many of them would truly trust dairy food made in a non-chalav-Yisroel kitchen. The equipment wouldn’t be the only problem, but rather to kitchen owner’s knowledge of accommodating that need.
I think the original post is on target. I don’t like that the thread has been called disturbing. In a lot of communities, I think the range of Kashrus is wider than it should be (sometimes extending outside of the halachah). You don’t want to make someone feel like they’re in the halachic dilemma of choosing between eating something they don’t trust, embarrassing you, or even making you angry.
lightbright: correct for the most part. However, that argument alone would/has also been used against Chassidus (and that’s been brought up in other threads). The thing that makes YCT truly different is that some of them will make statements that are unambiguously contrary to the Torah (eg. denying the idea of the coming of moshiach, which, as most of us hold, makes you ineligible for a minyan).
No, this is a thread where we make fake Open Orthodox teshuvahs.
I just realized from scrolling up, the whole thing with using the idea that G-d wrote the constitution as a basis for an halachic argument actually sounds like it would belong very well on this thread. However, it doesn’t seem to be in jest, especially since it was made by a poster who previously was defending the OO. I’m wondering if rebdaniel just trolled all of us by doing an inverse make-your-own-YCT-teshuvah.
Please insert all genius defense’s of Open Orthodox policy on this thread:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lets-make-yct-teshuvas-by-popa/page/3
In summary: you should wear a hat and jacket for davening. Period. If you don’t, it’s still halachically permissible, but you should.
We all know there’s going to be people out there making stupid arguments contrary to what all the rabbonim say, and trying to pasken based on their feelings. This thread is not bringing up anything new.
Some shuls do have a hat bin. Jackets are a little less practical to do that with for obvious sizing reasons.
DY, just curious (not arguing, honestly just curious), if you could fit your arm into the jacket sleeve with tefillin, would you still not leave one arm out?
LB – “Only if you’re thinking what Joseph is thinking”
How could a person be having the exact same thoughts as Joseph unless they’re just a Joseph alt account.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute… Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?
LU – “DY + 1 million. Great response! I’m impressed.
btw, I hope you weren’t offended by the comment about your name.”
Wait, I thought it was the sem teacher that commented on his name?
LU – “I’m a seminary teacher and people have made fun of me. So I think you’re yotzei.”
Waaaaait a minute… Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?
Clearly the OP wasn’t asking for pro-aliyah posters to bombard him/her with suggestions of Israel. LA is a decent suggestion. There are MO communities in all of the places I mentioned, probably all containing young people with the possible exception of SC.
If you’re only looking at communities beyond MO, then yes, Florida, LA, and also Texas would be likely the only options.
I know you can take something that’s Adamah and process it to the point where it’s unrecognizable and therefore Shehakol, but is it really possible to process something that’s mezonos and have it become adamah? That doesn’t make intuitive since to me. Good thing I never eat rice cakes.
Lol, HaLeivi.
KJ Chusid! Long time no see!
Hannah, if you’re fine with Modern Orthodox then there are a lot of options in the south. Richmond VA, Norfolk VA, Charleston SC, Atlanta GA.
I’m starting to suspect a case of a closet feminist teacher who thinks women should be allowed to wear pants, showing out-of-context CR posts to demonstrate: “look how rude and immoral THEY are! And, they think THEY’RE better!”
I mean, what are the odds that someone who mocks DY and Joseph’s posts will be on the right?
The CR has had some good headlines for real news publications:
“At the RCA I do shudder”
“Alter, the Thread Titler!”
“LOCR”
Brilliant. I love it. Assuming you mean local Orthodox coffee room.
The difference with Chabad is that the previous rebbe will always be considered the previous rebbe. In other circles, the current rebbe will eventually be previous, as will all future rebbes.
For every one example of someone asking a shailah here, I can probably find you a hundred examples of people shouting back “Ask your LOR!!!!”
People post halachic questions here to see other people’s viewpoints. Nothing wrong with that. Your teacher had an extremely alarmist reaction. Nobody actually poskins from the CR. Frankly, I’ve always considered the “Ask your LOR” shouters to be a waste of space on a thread.
Mik, DY is right. I get what you’re saying, but with the way you worded it, it’s a big risk of lifnei iver if taken at face value. One can NOT buy a bag of lettuce without a hechsher. The OP was inquiring about pre-packaged things; you’re talking about fresh, loose produce in grocery stores.
Also, I don’t think I’ve ever seen fresh dates sold out in the open in a grocery store. Commercially, they’re almost always dried or frozen or some such thing, and would require a hechsher.
I went to secular college unfortunately, but almost none of the things originally mentioned in this thread were a problem. I’ve never heard of anything being due Saturday night, also if something is scheduled for Saturday you can get it moved for religious accommodation; it’s legally mandated.
The party lifestyle, the extreme cases of untznius outfits that occur in the summer (whatever is the worst thing you can imagine is probably an underestimate unless you’ve experienced public college in the warm weather), and the epidemic of anti-religious Professors are the real problems. Remember, they recently found that over 50% of American Sociology professors openly identify as Marxist. Admittedly, that’s a particularly bad subject, but still.
I agree with the OP; it is misleading.
Also, on a side note, aren’t Ohr Someach and Aish HaTorah the same organization?
Thinking out loud: Do you have a newer Gemarra set for your own use and that’s why you’re getting rid of this one?
I prefer Soncino over ArtScroll for gemarra. There is way too much filler in the ArtScroll translation (e.g. The Gemarra is about to discuss XYZ). However, the Latin is a big problem in Soncino.
By the way, I’m really happy that you think so highly of us CR posters. It’s nice to have a new person come in and bring positivity as a break from us being at each other’s throats.
This is a question for a kiruv professional. Nobody in a CR is going to tell you it’s ever OK to ignore tznius, as it’s not. If there’s someone with whom you’re involved that knows where you stand, they would know if there’s a circumstance in which an individual can be less observant in one area to benefit their future observance level overall. This should never be exploited, however, and you have to make sure, if you’re going to ask the question, that you’re truly asking the question and not asking FOR the specific answer.
“Remember, we are discussing a “pretty observant” family, here.”
Bingo. The problem is that many posters are so caught up wanting to believe that our commander in chief has a frum daughter and son-in-law that they are pretending the Kushners are more than that.
It’s not LH to say that a secular or reform Jew who admits he/she isn’t Shomer Shabbos, isn’t Shomer Shabbos. They wouldn’t consider it an insult themselves. I think what people are trying to get at is that we’re supposed to judge our fellow Jew favorably. I.e. if you see someone you know to be frum doing something that seems not okay, you might have to assume there are other circumstances.
This doesn’t mean we have to pretend chilonim actually have kosher kitchens and are Shomer Shabbos, it just “might not seem like it.” It doesn’t apply when the person is a serial offender, which it would appear the Kushners are.
CT: How can you say it doesn’t matter when a person is born Jewish? Is Bernie not obligated in the Mitzvos? The argument is about people who are claiming they are Orthodox, while publicly violating Shabbos. Yes, I admit, it adds a bit of spice that one of them went through Orthodox geirus.
Saying that reform Jews who violate Shabbos violate Shabbos isn’t Lashon Harah. It doesn’t make it magically different when Jews who violate Shabbos happen to call themselves Orthodox.
Even if the contract mentioned is a real thing, which we haven’t verified it is, in what other situation is a Jew allowed to take a job that will force him to work on Shabbos? Like DY said, they wouldn’t have starved to death without this. This isn’t violating a Shabbos to be able to observe many more in the future. In fact, the only aftermath I’ve seen thusfar of the Kushner’s attendance is that it’s causing frum yidden to defend the indefensible when they wouldn’t for anyone else. And since when do jobs in the public sector force Jews to violate Shabbos? If I thought Trump would change policy on that, I wouldn’t have voted for him.
As tenured posters know, I’m very pro-Trump. However, we shouldn’t let politics get in the way of halachah. At the very least, what they did is identical to something which is assur, which makes it definitively a chillul Hashem. What DY is saying is 100% right. I don’t think there’s any real proof the Kushners even asked anyone, much less a trustworthy Orthodox rabbi.
It reminds me of the joke where we say, how do we know Moshe Rabbeinu covered his head? Because the Torah says Moshe went out… Of course he didn’t go out with an uncovered head! I.e. How do we know the Kushners got a pikuach nefesh heter? Because we know they got driven to a Church on Shabbos… Of course they didn’t do so without a heter! Obviously, in practice, this logic does not apply.
Syag, I’ve always found you to be one of the most moderate and agreeable posters in the CR. I really mean that.
Then again, the way I define moderate (and the way anyone does) will be considered religious right by some and religious left by others as we have discussed in other threads.
To anyone new: when we define each other (left vs. right) here, we usually all realize that we’re all talking on the frum spectrum. Nobody is suggesting that the “religious left” posters are actually in line with Conservative/Reform kind of religious left. When someone THAT religious left does occasionally blow in to offer up some information, we never scare them off with harassment and judgement, for which I’m very proud of the CR.
Lilmod: You understood my point perfectly. I believe there was some misunderstanding from the mystery mod’s side which helped that escalate to the point it did. I did specify at one point that I wasn’t saying whether or not their bias was a good or bad thing, just that I don’t agree with it being displayed in a mod-specific way.
The people are speaking! We even had a mod leak some of the inner workings of the CR. The 2016 anti-establishment sentiment has finally hit the CR! Almost new thread worthy I would say…
And, for the record, if this Mod does eventually snap with me, and I finally earn my subtitle, I would like it if there were a way to preserve the username (for someone else of course). It would be such a shame to see the pun go down in flames like that.
The fact that you think I would block you for having a different, but non-threatening or insulting opinion is just more proof that you may not clearly understand what we do here
I agree that there is no implication in the fact that Avi is supported as a person. I DO, however, think there is an implication when he is supported EXCLUSIVELY against character attacks, but those on the other side (specifically ZD in this case) are not [not that ZD is generally on the “other side” from Avi as far as I can tell]. Hence the analogy that apparently was lost.
For point 3: clearly you’ve been reading the names. Clearly, at this point you have a side, which is perfectly OK in general. If you would like to jump in to the thread in the conventional way, I would not have a problem. I don’t agree that it’s appropriate to use means specific to being a moderator to support one side in an argument; and, the bold text is just that.
If you say “clearly” does that make you right? I don’t read names before the post. Whether or not you believe it is really your issue, not mine. And not only do I not have a “side” (again, whether or not you believe it is your issue, not mine) I don’t even know what topic you two are talking about. Which is one of the non-technical reasons I wouldn’t “jump in”. By the way, if you ever feel like having a give and take, instead of a dictate and deny…you know where to find me
No, I was going off of what people are talking about in this thread. I don’t think the CR is closing.
There’s also a thing called auditing classes. You can sit and learn in college classes for free. You only have to pay if you want to be in a program towards getting a degree.
Ha, the mod took “not for those with your opinions” out of context to make it seem like I was arguing the exact opposite of what I was.
Someone ELSE (not me) asserted on this thread that YWN caters to the religious right. I rebutted that the mod’s constant defense of Avi shows this not to be true.
Mystery mod: Would you say that those who criticize Israel’s every action but are silent at all acts of Palestinian terror might really be unbiased, and the fact that they “happen” to only criticize one side has no implication? Give it up! We all see who’s side you’re on!
#1 it definitely caters to the religious right. But, as I was trying to point out, that does not imply other’s aren’t given a chance to post.
#2 I think anyone who is silent to Palestinian terror is also a pera odom. But that has no bearing on my comments. I didn’t read Avi’s posts nor yours beyond the surface. My comment was purely to the point that it is a joke to think those with opinions like Avi are supported just because they as people are supported. That is a sad error on your part. The other point was that you said more than once that he is constantly defended. Which is silly.
#3 It is appropriate, when asking a question, to wait for a response. Not to shut it down with a 5th grade retort. I am not on a SIDE. I am moderating posts. And I rarely read the name of the author when doing so.
At the prospect of the CR closing I do shudder.