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Since when to we close threads when this happens? Especially since the website’s overhaul, the old thread will probably look something like this:
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I’ve never understood the simchas Yom Tov argument. I feel like they probably enjoy their Pesach more having an excuse not to shove their neighbor’s disgusting matzah-meal cake down their throat out of politeness.
TheMir, interestingly the Baal Hatanya basically says the opposite of what you’re saying. I.e. the thick matzos were cooked and kneaded thoroughly, but today’s matzos are cooked in a super hot oven for only like 20 seconds. This is why, in his opinion, it was OK to eat gebrochts for hundreds of years and now it isn’t.
Matzah meal is the grossest substance known to man. Gebrochts evaders are not missing anything.
laskern: Ah, are you trying to say that wearing colored during the week is actually a mitzvah because it allows you to differentiate for Shabbos?
Nice try; it is an interesting approach. But, white on Shabbos is a kabbalistic inyan. It’s not a minhag based on the assumption that we wear colored during the week.
Yeah, for Shabbos even Chofetz Chaim guys presumably wear white.
This thread is just weird now…
Sabba: You’re the only one here saying the the accuracy of the claim is irrelevant. Truth tends to be a defense against defamation. As for lashon hara, as Gaon said, its very important for people to know whether their relying on a psak from Reb Moshe or from a Rabbi who would commit fraud.
To respond to your straw man argument of “If someone were to say that Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l copied a teshuva from someone else etc.” I will use another straw man as I like to do:
If I were to write my own halachah that it’s a mitzvah to give me 20$ a day, and I appended it on the end of Iggeros Chazon Ish, would we have to assume the Chazon Ish actually said it so as to not talk lashon hara about me?Oops wrong account, and double post.
Beit Yoseph Shechita is a totally separate subject from the Beit Yoseph hechsher in Israel.
Sphardishe Shechita is machmir. The Beit Yoseph hechsher is not.
Would Rav Ovadia have also been behind the Rabbanut Hashgacha when he occupied the position? Do you also wonder why people don’t eat it? Reb Moshe didn’t eat Chalav Stam even though he matired, I highly doubt Rav Belsky ate OU-D soft cheese even though he allowed it. I don’t see the difficulty of having a respected posek associated with a kashrus kulah; it happens quite often.
Goral HaGra really does involve opening a Tanach to a random page? What does it accomplish? Why is it OK?
This thread has been around so long that it has be orphaned from its parent thread and people are starting to take it seriously…
You have to be very careful that it isn’t chayev in tzistzis.
Just make sure Charlie Hall considers it beged isha, whatever it is. Otherwise it might not be kosher.
“Don’t forget we are talking about a constitutional right, in contrast to driving.”
Ahh, so if the constitution gave us the right to operate transportation equipment, would that mean blind men could drive cars? 16 year olds with no experience could drive a Mac Truck? If not, why should mentally unstable people get guns with or without the constitution?
This thread is copyright infringement and is directly comparable to kidnapping, halachically speaking.
“Where does anyone get the whacky idea that requiring background checks, age limits, etc. is going to lead to the “government seizing all guns?” ”
I know that was rhetorical, but I’ll answer anyway: they’re getting that idea from the NRA propaganda machine. They have a finite list of arguments that are just restated over and over:
1) Criminals will just break the law anyway, so we should just have no laws
2) Dictators took away people guns in the past, therefore all gun regulation is at least a fraction of that
3) Allowing the government to define who is sane enough to own a gun would allow them to take away everyone’s gunsObviously these arguments are all extremely weak, but they’ll keep using them into infinity. By the way, as for the “hunting” argument: very few people in the countryside actually participate in hunting. From my experience, maybe 1 in a hundred men hunted. And 0 percent of anyone in any civilized country depends on hunting to feed their family. It’s just a sport, and a cruel one at that; so, frankly if we inconvenience hunters with regulation, that would just make me even happier.
RebYidd, I used to live in the country. Nobody hunts with assault rifles.
People hunt with hunting rifles. Protect themselves with pistols. Shotguns can be used by farmers. Meanwhile, assault rifles seem to be used pretty much exclusively for mass shootings. Any other sovereign nation would have banned an item with this use by now.
TorasAvigdor: A Freilichen Purim, Joseph 🙂
BTAM and MTAB must be the same. I don’t understand the schtick though. They just fight with each other.
“If the owner of a website has obtained copyright protection for IP”
Yes and like I said, if Joseph made an identical website that served the same purpose, they would have a case. That’s not the same thing as believing that the site has exclusive rights to everything Rabbi Miller said just because they provide a service. That’s a belief that would officially be known in the law community as “stupid.”
“The source is the web site because of all the work they put in to collect the information which is public, and not Rav Miller Ztzl.”
I hope you’re kidding. The source is R. Miller. Whether you like Joseph sharing it or not is your own problem. But, you can’t honestly believe that the person who prints a source gains the status as the author.
How did any of you pass high school English thinking you would cite Wikipedia as the author of the US Constitution if you happened to find it there?
“Any IP attorney will tell you that compilation, transcription and presentation of the work of a third party in a particular format should not be reprinted ”
A) I’m 99.9% sure you’re wrong anyway.
B) Even if that were true, I’m pretty sure this website’s “share on social media” buttons are a pretty good indicator that they’re OK with you sharing their material.Joseph isn’t stealing the sites source code and passing it off as his own site. He’s just quoting the same primary source as them. This idea that when two people want to quote the same primary source, the first one to get it gets to “call dibs” and sue anyone who quotes that source after them is ludicrous.
“If the web site collected all Rav MIller’s public shiurim isn’t that time and work that gives them some right over others?”
No. If you cite the source it’s not plagiarism.
Joseph cited his source. His source is Rabbi Miller.
If Wikipedia quotes Abraham Lincoln and I use that same quote, do you think I have to cite Wikipedia?
CY, it’s better to just reply to the strawman with another strawman:
Rebyid: are you actually saying that if your joke offends anyone anywhere that you shouldn’t say it, and therefore nobody should ever say any joke ever?
Seriously, most of America has had enough of the preaching of the easily offended liberals. Do you think this makes a lot of friends? Does it make you feel good to ruin everybody else’s fun in order to protect these imaginary people somewhere who might be offended?
I can’t believe people are actually falling for this and taking it seriously…
The site mentioned has “share on facebook or twitter” buttons at the bottom of every single R. Miller quote, they clearly aren’t concerned with people sharing and commenting on it.
I really hope the reactions are also Purim Torah, but it sadly doesn’t seem like it. The fact that people actually think this is how copyright law works is really embarrassing.
There’s no way something this entertaining would ACTUALLY happen this close to Purim.
Allegedly the old minhag Ashkenaz was not to wear a kittel under the chuppah. I assume wearing it, but covering it up, is sort of a compromise.
I have no sources and don’t plan on looking for them since I’m not THAT interested in this. The short answer to the OP is yes, it’s an accurate observation. It’s a widespread trend and you would look weird not following it.
The point is to wear it over the kittel and cover up the kittel. It has nothing to do with how people dressed hundreds of years ago.
ChabadShlucha told DY that DY can’t be moshiach because she’s a girl. I can’t believe she’s pretending not to remember that conversation now.
That’s the second time I’ve seen someone call DY a “she.” Is this like an ongoing joke?
“laskern – “Is that why he hired Banon as his advisor?”
Your implication that Bannon is an antisemite is FAKE News!”I agree that he’s certainly not overtly anti Semitic, and probably not at all. But, the Breitbart crowd’s constant scape-goating of Kushner every time the Trump admin does something they don’t like is very suspect.
I will be opening up a lawsuit against Russia for collusion in the CR. We suspect there are very senior Russian officials invovled; maybe even Vladmir ‘Joseph’ Putin himself.
I’ll get CTLawyer on the case right away… Ahh dang it! He’s a Joseph alt account too?!?!
Yaakov Schwartz (who Ziongate thinks is Joseph) also seems to a be a super anti-Chareidi writer for an Israeli newspaper. So, it’s all very clear now:
ZionGate is Yaakov Schwartz, who is Joseph. Why else would he know all of this? ZionGate is the account he uses to voice his real opinions, Joseph is the account he uses as a composite of all Chareidi anti-Zionists to “argue” with. ZD is a third account he uses as a more mild mannered version of himself. I still haven’t figured out what he uses his DY account for.
Woah, what is going on. The letters to the editor on “the vues” almost match 1 for 1 with CR threads! Can a yid be a foodie, cloning in halachah, minhag hamakom, etc…
Am I the only one that didn’t know about this giant conspiracy?
OK, I really want to try to find these other sites.
I still don’t see the connection to DaasYochid; unless he uses that name on other publications.
Random: I totally agree with you, but I don’t know that any of those points would matter in a civil court.
As far as ethically, yes there are surely many goyim who would willingly give their clunkers to better the education of children, but would suddenly revoke that willingness if they knew those children were Orthodox Jews. Are you bothered if those particular people are misled into donating to a good cause? I’m not.
Yeah, it’s time to give up. The internet mob has spoken consistently for years: when easily offended people get offended at a silly, harmless joke, it makes the joke more funny not less.
Wait is the stuff about Joseph writing to local newspapers actually true, or is this all a joke?
Surely you’re joking about DaasYochid and Joseph. They are probably the two least alike posters in the CR.
“People who feel offended don’t have to justify their feelings to make them real. They don’t get veto power, but they should at least be heard.”
No they shouldn’t. America is sick of crybabies! Go cry in a corner on your own; nobody cares about your feelings! This is 2018. America is supposed to be great again!
Is it not possible that this whole thread is a Purim schtick? Because the entire idea of this ad being a Chillul hashem seems like a joke to me.
Me123:
Why would you want a lawsuit to work against them? I’m not asking rhetorically; I don’t know much about this organization and I don’t understand why Jews would dislike them.
I don’t see how kars4kids is doing anything wrong under American law. Kars4OrthodoxJewishKids certainly doesn’t sound as nice. Many if not most charities are associated with some religion, and are not required to state so in every ad campaign.
From the ethical standpoint, yeah, we weren’t born yesterday. Clearly they’re advertising in locations where people have never even met an Orthodox Jew in hopes of tricking them (this isn’t an argument in court). Who cares though? As long as they’re doing good work, why not tap into goyishe donors who wouldn’t otherwise give?
OK, I was ready to exit this thread without comment because it’s totally uninteresting, but…
This caused me to go down an Oorah rabbit hole… They’re the ones behind Kars4Kids?!?!?!?!
Those commercials play on the most local of radio stations in the middle of goyishe nowhere! How is this not the richest Jewish organization on earth?
“So the irony is, that the MO schools are pricing out some public school kids so that they can compete for public school kids.”
How could they price out a public school, short of paying people to attend?
HaLeivi: You’re saying in Reb Moshe’s time AC units either stayed on or stayed off (ie. they didn’t turn on and off with the temperature)?
Is this actually true though? I thought he had specific psaks about letting hot air in near a thermostat AC, but I might be totally wrong; I’m not learned in this area.
Maybe Wizard’s point is that we should stop the women driving diversion and return to the original point.
I understand Satmars also posken that a woman’s tights must have a visible seam. Would a woman have to switch to these types of tights when going to Kiryas Yoel? Essentially this is the same question, but hopefully with an example that won’t get people as riled up.
Phil: Sorry about the harshness. I see what you were getting at now; my problem was more with you seemingly claiming that Joseph was making up this Minhag altogether. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that there is a minhag among certain Chassidim for women not to drive.
Because while some Catholic parents would prefer to send their kids to Catholic schools, they would send them to public if the pricing was prohibitive. Orthodox Jewish schools, on the other hand, are aware that they can always count on the frum world never sending their kids to public school, so they can charge whatever they want and they do.
DY: I imagine you are used to areas where there are multiple Jewish schools and there is some pricing competition. In the out of town communities where there is just 1 MO day school in a hundred mile radius, the tuition is truly impossible for some (20K+ for kindergarten). If the parents can only find work in an area like that, they have a real problem. They are just “putting person comfort before their kids future.” It always astounds me how much of a “let them eat cake” mentality some–otherwise very empathetic–frum people have when it comes to this subject.
Gadol, I also clearly don’t hold that it’s assur for women to drive, but don’t just make stuff up and pretend you know what you’re talking about.
Satmars don’t “general discourage” women driving. They posken that it is assur, and your assertion that they suddenly ignore this halachah when they leave their hometown is completely false and you obviously just made it up. Firstly, I have to ask, how did that lie even make practical sense to you? These women don’t have licences and never drive; how could you possibly think they could get behind the wheel of a rental and suddenly know what they’re doing?
Having a male cab driver on busy streets is not yichud (I think according to anyone).
“Also, once the status changes and somehow starts becoming the norm (whatever reason involved) it automatically has no basis.”
True for das yehudis only. I think Joseph has given ample proofs that what he’s talking about is a halachic shittah, not just an arbitrary societal norm. That being said, I’m tempted to agree that it has no weight for a passerby. The only source so far suggesting it does is CS mentioning the Chabad Rebbe, which is of little consequence to us.
Phil, it is obvious to everyone that your posts are the ramblings of a loony. We’ve all stopped taking you seriously, which is why Joseph isn’t responding. The adults are having a real conversation about halachah now, you so can simmer down.
“Is the fact that 40% of the public school is Jewish any less of a tragedy”
Is this a joke? I’ll make this simple: Yes. Children being mowed down to death by another child is more of a tragedy than Jews going to public school. For the love of all things holy, take a step back and grow a sense of proportion.