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Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
Like in every other post he’s made, he’s refusing to do the research so that he can keep insisting that it’s only a safek whether or not the beer came from a Jew.
Back to the original point:
I think now that what happened was the Jewish 5 Towns Times posted the good article about this situation that happened to be by Yair Hoffman. Because Rabbi Hoffman is the near-exclusive author of all halachah articles for YWN, they had nobody to whom to go to write this piece (since he already wrote one for a competitor). YWN had to end up settling for a recorded shiur which will inherently get fewer clicks and be taken less seriously.As for why we didn’t hear anything of this in previous years, I have no theories for that. I do think that in coming years, they’ll do a better job of announcing what to do. Perhaps we’ll be able to go by the expiration dates on the beer or some such thing to avoid the chometz beer.
April 22, 2018 8:21 am at 8:21 am in reply to: SHOCKING: YWN REPORTING: accurate or sensational? #1509428Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYeah, I mean we obviously come here for the bias. I was under the impression that the whole point was to have a news site geared towards the frum world, not to have unbiased reporting.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“that because no reputable kashrus agency can call random beer in a random store after pesach “assur” for the reasons I stated above EVEN WITHOUT ANY MECHIRA, they correctly “didn’t know that the distributor was Jewish.””
The Star K and CRC aren’t reputable enough for you? Also, these aren’t random stores, it’s a very specific regional problem. I’m not sure what gave you the idea that this thread was a place for people to posken their own halachah. The point was to discuss this situation, not to make up our own heters and defame the most trusted hashgachas.
Also, why is this d’rababan business so important to you? I never said anything about it being a d’oraisa.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Don’t you find it interesting that the only time this information was released was *after* a sale was made?”
Yes. That’s one of the main reasons I started this thread; we’ve been discussing that this entire time. Also, see the article referenced earlier for other Kashrus agencies, namely the Satmar CRC. As stated earlier, the OU holds that when a Jew continues to sell chamatz upon which he did mechira, the mechira is pasul.
I’m sorry, but I’m not really sure what you’re still debating. We know for sure that this was chometz owned over Pesach by a Jew (in previous years there was no Mechira at all). Some people might be OK with this year’s mechira, but nobody is saying that it was ever fine to eat chometz shel issur. You’re trying to infer from the silence in previous years that they were matir? On what grounds would there be a heter? And, if this were so, then why were they pressuring the Jew to do mechira?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantZD, I get what your saying, but I think this is a classic exception. If a kashrus agency accidentally hechshered something treif (I heard a rumor this happened with Lucky Charms once) then you could say it’s not your fault for eating it.
With things like Chometz shel issur, and Chadash/Yoshon (if applicable) where something’s kosher status can be kind of relative, it’s certainly the consumer’s responsibility as difficult as that may be. Now, if you’re talking about the beer in previous years when we didn’t know about this, maybe it is kind of like the Lucky Charms. But, this year, now that we know the problem, it’s for sure our responsibility.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI had no idea they had a Durham campus. That would probably be really nice and you can ignore everything I said if that’s where he would be.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Assuming that there is a 50% halachik threshold regarding the odds of this “safek derabanan””
Who said this is a derabanan? Ignoring that, I’m not sure you would even go after rov in this case. The beer is in its makom kavua, and you’d be relying on a safek that you can mitigate. If it’s possible for the community to inquire from a local store when they bought their beer (it’s probably even possible for an individual to do this) then you could get rid of the safek.
Also, the “irresponsible position” that you reference is not coming from me, but from several mainstream kashrus agencies.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantCTLaw might be about to say this, but I can’t see it yet.
Waterbury is a really, really terrible area. People often underestimate it under the assumption that all of Connecticut is nice; it has ghettos just like anywhere else. If you care at all about your kid’s safety when he steps one foot outside of campus, then you should really think about this.
April 20, 2018 8:03 am at 8:03 am in reply to: Jewish Jobs – Shouldnt Say Female Only Very Many Times #1509148Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYeah, those ads in the frum classifieds read really weirdly sometimes like “new multi-young girl office!”
I don’t really see any big problem, it’s just weird. By the way, girls don’t get paid less; that’s just a liberal myth.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantFrumnotyeshivish: The Jewish 5 Towns article referenced earlier has all the information including the “greater than 50% statistic.” You might want to scroll up the thread a bit before you start screaming at people. As for the stock ownership, I’ve never really understood how stock ownership in chametz over Pesach works, and I’m sure it’s really interesting, but that would really derail this thread.
As for this “math” business. I think randomex was [rightly] objecting to it being broken into 4 different things. 1) this beer and 2) owned by and 3) a Jew are really only one safek, not 3. The beer you’re looking at was either owned by a Jew or a goy, that’s not 3 distinct questions.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIt’s only a safek if you don’t know where the store gets its beer, and I believe you could technically inquire (as impractical as that may be).
Midwest: The point is not that we’re complaining about having to go without beer. The reason we’re “excited” about it is that A) not enough people seem to be aware of this and many frum yidden might be consuming treif, B) it sounds like in previous years it was super assur without even a bad mechira to rely on bedieved; so, what does that mean if you drank beer last year before this came out? What if you cooked with beer?
If there were people who knew about this for years, why weren’t they releasing announcements? Having something that’s for sure assur isn’t worth mentioning, but once some people controversially claim it’s mutar it suddenly gets ink?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantAnd Joseph, there’s a good article in the 5 Towns Jewish Times about it that lists all beers affected. But, to keep it simple, it’s pretty much every single beer you’ll find in a liquor store. It sounds like almost every liquor store in NYC gets their beer from the same distributor, who is Jewish.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI think what ZD was talking about is a shittah that if the seller has no idea what the Mechira is doing and how it’s doing it, then it’s a sham. I do believe I heard Reb Moshe holds this way (I imagined it would still be good bedieved though).
So wait, in previous years it’s just an annual ritual that all NYC beer is treif from Pesach to June? I’m an out-of-towner clearly. And, the OU is more machmir than Reb Moshe on this halachah?
April 17, 2018 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1507409Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantAnyway, this got really derailed…
Happy Holidays, everyone. I hope you all had a very Halal Pesach.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIn mainstream American lingo “the Rebbe” is talking about the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Secular Americans don’t even realize “the Rebbe” could mean someone else. I’m not endorsing the trend, just recognizing it. Never ever, would an American be referring to the Gerrer Rebbe by saying “The Rebbe.” I’m not sure where people got that idea.
I’ve never heard anyone leave their community and refer to their communal Rabbi as “The Rav;” they always say “our Rav,” or “our Rabbi.” Within the shul, yes, but not in all circumstances.
I remember going to the OU homepage a few years back and seeing it just plastered with stuff about “The Rav,” referring to JB Soloveitchik. I assume it was to compete with the very successful Chabad website which is decorated in a similar fashion. Why did this thread get bumped so many years later?
April 15, 2018 9:23 am at 9:23 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1506358Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantMilhouse: He did mention the Rema/Machaber earlier. His assertion is that anything that happened after the times of the Rema is fair game to do whatever you want (eg. any shailah resulting from technology that didn’t exist then). He’s then going to pretend to be surprised that there are people on YESHIVA World News who don’t support shittah window shopping because “every rabbi he’s ever hear of” says it’s OK to chose whatever shittah makes you feel good. It’s really not worth going into. It’s derailing the thread, which he’s now trying to slyly accuse US of being responsible for.
April 13, 2018 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1506170Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI don’t understand your kasheh at all now. What’s any different about an Ashkenazi BT vs. a Sphardi one? Your initial assertion is that you can follow whatever modern day posek you want on a modern (post Machaber/Rema issue). This simply isn’t true. If Reb Moshe says one thing, and HaRav Ovadia says another, whether you’re Ashkenaz or Sphard will play into who you follow. I’m not going to sit here rehashing this basic Judaism 101 concept to you over and over when you know it’s true; it’s not worth either of our time. Besides, this thread is about Shria, not Halachah. None of this belongs here.
April 13, 2018 9:19 am at 9:19 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1505998Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantGadol, I agree; it’s about time we get to that permutation. Wasn’t there a black guy a few years back who converted and started like the “Chabad-Karlin-Satmar-Ger” Chassidus or something like that?
I can’t remember exactly what it was. If anyone remembers his name, let me know.
April 13, 2018 9:19 am at 9:19 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1505997Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantObviously we cite poskim from the other mesora. I don’t really see what that proves. That’s a far cry from saying a person can just chose whatever minhag he wants in any given circumstance. Also, I have no doubt that rabbonim told you something that you interpreted as a heter to shift mesora at your whimsy, but I’m confident it was misinterpreted.
April 10, 2018 11:26 am at 11:26 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1504590Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI once was asked by a Muslim about Halal meat at the certain butchery. I warned him that it was cut with the same equipment as the treif stuff, and he ended up not buying it. I later found out that Muslims don’t have a concept of “Halal Equipment” like us. So, I inadvertently talked him into observing a weird Kosher-Halal creole halachah.
He later went on to convert and become a Chassidishe guy.
…OK, just kidding about that last part. The first part actually happened though.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantWell, if that were true it would beg the questions, why him?
Also, that would make sense if it were just the narrating gig, but he seems to be a pretty consistent supporter. He’s also a big pro-Israel supporter.
April 10, 2018 9:24 am at 9:24 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1504551Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“there is no reason they shouldn’t advertise for it and make more money through Muslim customers.”
If a restaurant is near a prison, is there no reason why it shouldn’t display “ex-convicts welcome” in order to get their business? The point is, with the situation in Europe, “welcome all Muslims” is not necessarily a sign Jews want to see in front of their restaurants. It could very well lead to more loss than gain in business.
April 10, 2018 9:23 am at 9:23 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1504550Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant” If there is no question of the Mechaber vs. the Rema there is no reason why an Ashkenazi can’t rely on Rav Ovadia, for example.”
Avi, you know you’re opinions like this are slanted farther left than what most of the Torah world accepts. Is it really worth it to keep rehashing stuff over and over just so we can all tell you we don’t agree with you?
On a side note, I don’t understand your point about happy holidays. It obviously started as a compromise, but that doesn’t change the reality that storefronts can’t display it today or it will trigger the Religious Right (not our religion).
April 8, 2018 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm in reply to: Left-Wing Extremist Shooting Up YouTube Headquarters #1503603Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI don’t think the point the OP is making is to condemn all leftist, but he’s observing that when a right wing nut shoots people, the media has it on the front cover for months. When this left-wing women from a protected ethnicity does it, they barely covered it at all.
April 5, 2018 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm in reply to: Sick and tired of spoiled cholov yisroel milk #1503222Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantOops just realized this is an ancient thread after posting…
April 5, 2018 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm in reply to: Sick and tired of spoiled cholov yisroel milk #1503221Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantNobody is claiming that CS is treif. The only ones making a controversial claim here are the ones saying (in Reb Moshe’s name) that there’s no benefit at all to drinking Chalav Yisroel.
Back to the OP, CS definitely lasts longer. It’s really annoying. It’s not really a financial strain, it just requires you to buy smaller quantities and go to the store more often.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantWow, a thread about Chabad Minhagim? This never happens.
They do indeed have a minhag to spit when they mention idolaters in the aleinu. Mentsch, if the only minyan near where you work is Chabad I’m going to assume it’s not a frum area/real community. If you go to a real Chabad community, you will see this.
I’m not sure why old shuls having dirt floors would matter. The issur of spitting in a shul goes back farther than Chabad has existed, I believe. But, then again, I would say that about zman hatefillah also, so what do I know?
April 4, 2018 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1502908Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“But as long as teh restaurant keeps the halal rules, there is no reason it shouldn’t advertise as halal and have Muslim clientele.”
On paper, but sometimes it’s better for business for certain things to go without saying. If people can get up in arms over a storefront displaying “Happy Holidays,” then it’s not too much of a stretch to think advertising as Halal might turn some people off in regions where the religious Muslim population is known to be unfriendly towards the Jews.
Gadol: Halal is actually extremely meikel once the animal is shechted. They don’t avoid parts of the animal like us, or check for blemishes to my knowledge. So, I don’t think they would differentiate between Bet Yosef and Rema. In fact, I think they’re even OK with Hebrew Nationals, unlike the Hebrews (that’s how you know WE’RE the real chosen people).
April 4, 2018 11:20 am at 11:20 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1502816Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYeah, it seems pretty easy for them to get a heter when kosher is the only available stuff for them.
I think the OP was asking as a business question. Is it a good idea of trying to attract more Muslims at the risk of scaring off Jews? It’s worth mentioning that the Muslim communities in Europe (where the OP is concerning) are very different than those in the US. Here in the US, we have conversations with our Muslim coworkers, and they stay friendly and respectful (I’m sure there are some exceptions). We have decent vetting here (even pre-Trump). In Europe, they’re more or less straight-outa-Gaza.
April 4, 2018 9:43 am at 9:43 am in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1502801Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“unless of course it isn’t halal and they find out it might create a chilul Hashem”
Don’t you mean a Chillul Allah?So, it sounds like the Baalei Nefesh require it to be shechted with a brachah, while the more balabatish Muslims are OK with eating the regular, kosher meat. Would a Shiite eat meat that was Shechted with a Nusach Sunni brachah?
Also, was your friend able to access the CR from his phone, or did he have a Hallal phone? If a phone is kosher, should it advertise that it’s also hallal?
April 3, 2018 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Can a “Kosher” Restaurant Advertise it also is “Halal” #1502583Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantDoes a square need to say that it’s also a rectangle?
Anything that’s Kosher is Hallal with the exception of alcohol; I’ve never met a Muslim who isn’t aware of this.
I’m not sure why the shechting in Allah’s name thing doesn’t get in the way. Maybe it’s not so m’akev. Most Muslims in these regions are meikel and we do not protest.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantChametz is being sold at an extreme discount right now, on the other hand.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI mentioned that I had thought I learned that on the Maharil’s stance on tzistzis, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for the source. L’maaseh, though, nobody holds by it. Everyone wears some form of tzistzis before marriage.
The 6-7 thing always went by the goyishe clock. I don’t think a custom going by the goyishe clock makes any sense to begin with, so I don’t know that it makes inherently less sense not to index for DST, the times are all arbitrary anyway.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantUnmarried bocherim still fulfill the mitzvah of tzistzis.
This is sort of a side point, but I had the impression that the Maharil off of which not wearing a tallis is based actually said that unmarried boys are patur from tzistzis altogether (no distinction between tallis gadol and katan). Can anyone confirm whether or not this is true? I’m not sure where the source is.
Also, who said duchaning on weekdays is a halachah? Are we at the point now where the word “halachah” means whatever Sphardim say, and “not following halachah” means whatever Ashkenazim say?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantLaskern: I saw your source on the Kiddush thing. Sorry if you felt ignored, but that source doesn’t change the reality of what people say who actually keep the custom. There could be multiple reasons for the same custom; I’m not sure. No matter the reason, people who do it keep 6-7 on the regular clock; not shaos zmanios, not converted for standard time or daylight savings time, etc.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantMost samples here haven’t been halachas. Polygamy was mutar, but it certainly wasn’t a mitzvah. I don’t know that it was even a lehatchilah.
Tevilas Ezra was a real halachah (I think) that Litvaks no longer do.
Leaving over the peah of your field (not hair) for the poor is a halachah with it’s own Mishnah, but we don’t do it anymore.Does anyone really matir not washing before soaked vegetables, or is it just a “the masses are meikel and we do not protest” situation?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI don’t think benching with a kos is not m’akev in any situation on any day, it’s just preferable.
ubi: I don’t think standard time would matter, since the custom is based on when goyim see you pouring wine ( the concern of blood libel). I talked to some people who do still keep this, and they said when the clocks change between Daylight Savings and back, it makes no difference; ie. they don’t have to shift it by an hour. Maybe not everyone figures it this way. I’m not sure, who, other than Chabad, keeps this minhag.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantgolfer:
It’s the minhag in the CR passed down for generations that, just before Pesach, we all come together and critique each other’s minhagim. I’m not sure if this minhag CR is still relevant, but we don’t want to be mevatel a minhag.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantAvi, I’m pretty sure that story is supposed to be about the Brisker Rov, not a Chassidishe Rebbe. Also, it seems to be universally considered a myth.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI think he was responding to your Joe account, not your Joseph account 😉
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantGeordie: OK, you do have a very good understanding; I guess I mininterpreted. Now, I’m not sure I get your original question: If the ger/BT learned from a Rabbi in the Yekkishe shul, then he would take on that rabbi’s minhag (wrap tefillin). If he defaulted to the M”B, he would wrap tefillin without the brachah like the M”B says. Was the question just regarding the brachah?
On a side note, 3 hours is a bigger problem given that it’s only based in family tradition rather than having a source in the poskim.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantlesschumras: Surely you don’t really mean that question l’maaseh.
Also, who says the circumstances with kitniyos have changed (other than reform Jews)? The Sphardim still wash and check individually, and Ashkenazim still avoid. Nobody says you can pour a bag of rice straight from Wal Mart into a pan and call it a day.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantLesschumras: Thank you for explaining that. I had heard the story (incorrectly I guess) in the past about him never eating soup again for the rest of his life. I didn’t realize it was actually gebrochts.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantThe defenders aren’t getting it:
Hawking and other celebrity physicists have created a kind of cult of science. They deny religion, but then create outlandish theories like wormholes, the universe being shaped like a folded piece of paper (none of their theories have any evidence by the way) and the naive college students eat it up. They deny religion on the basis of lack of evidence, but then believe everything these guys say without evidence. People underestimate how dangerous this is. We have an authority that a huge portion of the population considers infallible. In the middle ages it was the Church, now it’s celebrity science.
So, when they say the Jews are evil and we should all be pro-Hamas, people don’t question them. Why would they? They think they’re infallible. Baruch Hashem, this particular one is no longer with us.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantJoseph: He seems to be working off the assumption that all Baalei Teshuva and Geirim refrain from wrapping tefillin on Chol Hamoed. I think this has come up in the CR before. It is totally mythical; I have no idea where the idea originated. There is no such thing as a specific mesora for non-FFB’s. A better question would be, do minhag haGra folks have to wrap tefillin in KAJ to not be over on lo tisgodedu?
By the way, guys, when I said people only want to talk about chumrahs, I was actually deviating from the OP of this thread as I thought that’s where Gadol was going. I did not mean to refer to either tefillin minhag as a “chumrah.”
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantWolf, I probably shouldn’t get involved because you’re clearly on the warpath, but I don’t really see what was so illegitimate about bringing in Yaakov Kaminetzky. The OP basically asserted that anyone non-Chassidishe Ashkenaz should eat gebrochts. Bringing in an exception is fair game. The fact that he did so by his own choice rather than for a standing minhag seems to make it even fairer game. I must be missing something here.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant90% of Pesach minhagim are methods of making the seder night more fun. Understandably, the only things people want to talk about in the CR are chumrahs.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“So the consensus is that one should put on Teffilin during chol hamoed but should only do so when sitting in the area where one normally has built a sukkah and must follow the davening by eating a pas gebrokts.”
Brilliant. Baruch Hashem someone remembers it’s still Adar.
“I cannot think of any other yom tov or chag where there seems to be so many variations of what was once a fairly prescribed routine.”
To be fair, tefillin on chol hamoed has nothing to do with Pesach specifically.
March 12, 2018 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm in reply to: When Did People Start Eating Shmura Maztos The Entire Pesach? #1487773Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantNo need to indulge. It’s not enough to CTRebbe to have what to rely. He needs to provoke the machmirim until the say something and he can cry discrimination and walk around with a brownie badge to tolerance and superiority complex about being less frum.
How’s that? Is that the response you were looking for to run with?
March 12, 2018 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm in reply to: Should Donald Trump be Crowned King of the United States? #1487791Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYes
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