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“My point in all this is that there is only one holy language. One language that unites all of Am Yisrael. That language is Hebrew.”
Wow, no way, that’s your point? I never would have guessed that; it definitely took this many threads to get that across.
I get people not agreeing with Avi’s agenda, but what’s with people saying Hebrew isn’t Lashon Hakodesh?
Wait, back up, did Gadolhador actually just make CR history by making the first ever pro-talking-in-shul post?
No, you did not or it would not have been approved
Did I miss something? I mean, I can clearly see tons of people talk when they shouldn’t in davening, but I never thought I’d see them take to the internet and take a stand against the Rabbi’s telling them to stop talking and follow the halachah.Is there really a group of people who look at those of us who don’t talk as grumpy guys who can’t get with the times and realize that in 2018 davening is “happy hour?”
How long do you plan on keeping this up? Might I suggest Klingon as your next one?
I imagine there might be some sponsorship reasons why it was removed. I never use YWN without an ad blocker or else my computer to explode, so I will never know.
By the way, to the OP, kiddush and arba kosos are not the same halachah. You can use grape juice for kiddush, but, according to Reb Moshe, not for the arba kosos. You’d have to see the teshuva to know his reason. We have a poster here, Daas Yochid, who has an encyclopedic knowledge of Iggros Moshe; he would probably know where to find it.
Where are people getting the idea that frum people shave?
The only thing I can think of is that they are so uninformed that they don’t realize the difference between electric and traditional razors. Either that or this is just a huge troll thread that I just fell for.
True aficionados only drink coffee where the beans were watched from the moment of harvesting. Some will settle for them being watched from the point of grinding.
What I don’t get about the Starbucks situation is that, since the Expresso and Americano are still Kosher, how can anything on the menu ever have a status of “mutar b’shas hadchak?” You could always just get one of the things that’s still kosher.
Ahhh I’m starting to see what’s going on here. This is a thread for jealous whiners who weren’t good enough to get into Brisk.
There are a lot of colleges bigger than Harvard. Since when does that make them better?
RY: Are you offended? You’ve been a very open bleeding heart liberal on the coffee room for years. Conservative states allow fireworks, liberal states don’t. I hardly think you needed the CR to learn that.
“And RY, it’s not the government’s job to save us from ourselves.”
In RY’s defense, you could use that statement to argue legalizing heroin, RPG’s, and just about anything.
As is the answer to most threads like this: if you have to ask, you’ll never know.
Legal fireworks are completely a waste of time. You have to hold them in your hand, so it’s probably more dangerous, and they aren’t even cool.
The good stuff that you have to go to New Hampshire for is a different story. Like almost anything, it’s much more fun when not done in a professional setting. Why do those states allow it? Probably because they have backbones and aren’t afraid of their own shadows like the blue states that want to ban everything good in the world.
“Rav Kook seems to say that he is a movement. Perhaps he is the State of Israel. This might not be an abstract concept but an entity.”
I don’t really want to get into anything, but why are people so especially harsh on Chabad Meshichism when mainstream religious-Zionist thought is equally messianist? If anything, shouldn’t picking the wrong guy as Moshiach be less of a problem than rewriting the entire concept itself to fit your beliefs?
“1. So what if Rav Kook’s sheeta does not agree with them?”
Nothing; I didn’t mean there was anything wrong with it disagreeing with them. I just didn’t see what you were bringing to this thread since that shittah has nothing to do with Chabad.
“According to Rabbi Hillel Rivlin’s exposition of the Gra’s sheeta it is clear that Mashiach ben Yosef is here.”
OK, then who is he? Where is there proof that you’re allowed to believe Moshiach is an abstract concept and not a physical person?
Avi, the Zionist-Meshichist shittah agrees neither with Chabad nor any mainstream Charedim (ie. those of us who don’t believe moshiach is here yet because, you know, he isn’t…). I’m not sure why you brought that into this thread. Was it do defend Chabad Meshichism?
“Zahava, noone needs $2000 for rent all his friend needs is a few hundred dollars a month to rent a room.”
What year do you think this is, 1870?
ZD: You’re ignoring the reality by saying this psak will “turn people off.” Non-religious people are not going to differentiate between us “discriminating” against black Jews and Black goyim with regards to wine production; they’re just going to consider this entire halachah racist. Also, we don’t posken based off of what turns people off. What’s probably going to happen here is that massive pressure will build against the Badatz, and they won’t crack because they truly don’t care what anyone thinks; they just care about the correct halachah. The Rabbanut, on the other hand, would and has cracked in the face of PC pressure. Hence why many Chareidim respect the Badatz more.
I don’t think the situation will affect “all Ashkenazim” as asserted above. Not many American Ashkenazim insist on a Badatz hechsher, and it seems like it’s keeping its other respectable, non-Rabbanut hechshers.
Just stop it. There is no shul anywhere (with the possible exception of a prison minyan) where rapists and molesters are given aliyahs.
The whole entire thread has always just been a “my tatty is bigger than your’s” case. Those who like the Rabbanut will go like them, those who like Eidah will go like them. The only chiddush in this permutation of the argument is that the race-card was pulled.
ITFT: He was replying to my comment.
I’m assuming Joseph is going with the bad vetting theory on my post. There might be practices they have that I’m not so OK with either, but I don’t know that I would infer that they’re so left wing that it could lead to this. They aren’t like OU/RCA left wing, much less Avi Weiss left-wing.
CS:
I’m not going to voice any argument or anything on the topic. Just a little word of internet advice: when your post exceeds the max-post-limit multiple times, it’s way longer than anyone is willing to read. People don’t come to an internet forum to read War and Peace; we come for quick, instant satisfaction. If’ you’re really putting a lot of time into these posts, it’s a shame, because it’s highly unlikely anyone is reading them fully.I hadn’t heard of this before. He used to be an Aish campus Rabbi at Columbia, apparently. That’s scary for a couple of reasons:
1. Either Aish is doing a terrible job of vetting for letting this guy in. He could have destroyed hundreds of kids, misleading them in what right and wrong are.
2. Or, it could mean he was actually frum, and living around a liberal, college environment destroyed him. How often might this be happening?“Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known ganef or known tapist?’
Who said it was worse? Are you saying it’s any better?
ZD:
I had to go back and check my post to make sure I wrote “doesn’t.” Perhaps you misread; it seems like you just rebutted by saying basically the exact same thing I said. I’m fully aware that R. Yoseph’s psak has legitimate basis and is totally independent on this incident. I will say, though, if someone starts talking along the lines of “anyone who paskens differently from me is racist,” it’s hard for me to believe that isn’t at least subconsciously influenced by the American Liberal mantra of “anyone who votes differently than me is racist.”
As for the Ethiopians falling under the Sphardi sphere, fine. So, Ethiopians will drink the wine; I’m not clear on what that was supposed to prove. It’s the shittah of the wine-buyer that matters here.Avi: I think Barkan is mevushal according to all opinions. We’re obviously talking about a point in a process before it becomes mevushal, hence why the Ethiopian employees were sent to a different part of the factory.
ZD:
Yes, but Rav Yoseph doesn’t posken the way he does on this matter because he’s worried about offending sensitive, American liberals. If we poskened by political correctness, then the whole halachah of yayin nesech, bishul akum, and many other things would be thrown out as “racist.” The Rabbanut has their shittah and the Eidah has their’s.How we feel about a major Rabbi trying to discredit a legitimate alternate shittah in halachah with accusations of racism we should probably keep to ourselves. It’s fine to pull R. Yoseph as your source; I admire that you aren’t trying to posken for yourself as so many others in the CR, but if you posken like that, then what do you care if Barkan loses the Chareidi hechsher? It wouldn’t affect you. I won’t affect me either because Barkan is far too dry…
Really the entire halachah of Yayin Nesech is racist and embarrassing, and since Chillul Hashem is more important, we should just totally stop being careful about wine and let all the goyim we want touch our wine to allow for peaceful relations and make a kiddush Hashem.
More YCT teshuvahs coming soon.
“It’s not a tax, it’s a fee… four cents would go to NJ”
So, it’s a fee that gives money to the state every time you buy something, but you don’t want to call it a tax…
They calculated the probability of people not paying, and set the fine at a price that would offset it.
It’s still a terrible idea. It ends up causing a frenzy of people pushing their way to the machine and mashing buttons to get the ticket as they see the bus coming. And, if they’re too slow, they bought the ticket for nothing.
It’s almost like they care more about the news page than the CR. Shame really… We all know what’s really important here.
Anyone who doesn’t like new-tefillin smell must be erev rav. New-tefillin smell is the best!
But, joking aside, the smell will go down over time. It comes from the straps, not the batim, but new ones would only be stronger.
Do they have tefillin where the batim are plastic, the straps are electric tape, and the parchments inside are actually pages from Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn?
Joseph: I hear to latching on to a new argument that was nowhere to be found in your original post.
I have no idea the scale of the alleged issue of Russian goyim pretending to be Jews. That, however, was never what this thread was about.
“If there is a Shidduch crisis, why is the frum population growing?”
The shidduch crisis exists BECAUSE the frum population is growing. How do people still not get this?
Joseph: his comment never said anywhere that they didn’t find out until after they became fully frum. Why do you need so much for the world to believe this is a real problem?
BT’s find out their goyim in their “Baal Teshuva process.” They then either give up, or become gerim. Even if you find someone to come and tell me they knew someone who didn’t find out until he was “fully frum,” I would almost guarantee that person has a different threshold for “fully frum” than I (or you on every other thread in the CR).
Unfortunately, I’ve heard similar such arguments as the OP and it’s really terrible. Basically what it boils down to is “we should just teach girls to be OK with never getting married.”
The human emotion of loneliness has nothing to do with upbringing. These girls didn’t do anything to deserve never getting married.
Hm. Why haven’t we spun off into talking about butter yet? And, why haven’t there ever been threads about the lack of availability of Cholov Yisroel butter?
I’m sure there are many other things that have gone up nearly 400% since the early 1980’s.
Not everything that bad that happens to individuals here and there needs to be defined as a crisis. The point of the phrase is to refer to an overarching problem, which seems to have no solution if the Litvish world doesn’t change its system. Anyway, I see that I might be turning this into a repeat thread.
LC: The frum population is growing very quickly. Therefore, by definition, there will always be more 25 year-olds than there are 22 year-olds etc.
Avi, if what you wrote is actually accurately representing those shittahs (I haven’t looked yet) then we don’t posken that way, clearly. Beis dins would have way fewer gers to deal with if we did.
Thank you, Meno, for finally getting this thread back on track. I say Uncle Art with Uncle Moishy.
“When a kiruv person helps someone become frum, they often do not know the lineage or familial background of the non-Orthodox person. ”
Nonsense. Kiruv professionals almost always find out if the person has a non-Jewish mother, especially if the person starts getting serious. The situation you a insinuating where someone is completely mekereved, and then finds out they’re goyishe after the point of becoming fully frum has probably never occurred in the history of all mankind.
DY: He’s talking about when people who would otherwise have worn their hat during all of davening go on to get married and switch to a tallis, they either only cover their head with it for minimal amounts of davening, or never at all. Eg. They used to wear a hat from baruch sh’amar to the end, now they wear a tallis and they only put it over their head for shmoneh esrei if ever, so it’s like they downgraded. I see this all the time.
Anyway, how did this thread end up getting taken seriously? And, why aren’t we talking about the Artscroll part of the post?
Azoi: You’re misusing the phrase “shidduch crisis.” It doesn’t refer to people going out on dates, not hitting it off, and going home with their feelings hurt. It refers to the fact that in every generation there will be a surplus of single, Jewish girls who will never marry; the surplus grows proportionally with the frum population.
If you want to talk about people not meeting their soulmate even in the absence of this problem (like if we were to close the age gap like you said), that’s fine, but that’s not what “The Shidduch Crisis” refers to.
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Really no hatred is baseless since the hater will always have what he considers a valid basis. And who are we to determine what is and isn’t valid? Therefore, there is no such thing as sinas chinom and we should all hate each other as we please, as the Torah instructed us to.
Stay tuned for more YCT teshuvas.
The shidduch crisis (if using the term properly) is a mathematical certainty. You could pay shadchans a million dollars a second and it wouldn’t change anything as long as they keep perpetuating a 4-5 year age gap between males and females.
It’s not a big problem at all. Most Reform Jews just marry goyim and end the Jewish line there. When has anyone met a family that’s 5+ generations Reform Jew? They never go more than 2 generations before they goy-out, so it’s not like you ever have to dig deep into their yichus to find out if they’re really Jewish.
It’s worth noting to all of our posters who drool over any bad publicity for Chassidim: Goyim don’t realize there is a difference between Chassidim and other Chareidim; they use the term to describe everyone with a black hat.
It really disturbs me that some Litvish bochrim own bekishes that they only wear once a year on Purim. It seems like such a waste.
There are cases I’ve personally seen of kids getting kicked out of PUBLIC schools for things such as drugs, getting pregnant, etc. If those kids go on to kill themselves, I’m sorry, but you blame the situation that the kids got into in the first place, not the expulsion that resulted from it.
What is shown in this letter is clearly the work of someone who wants all the responsibility of what happened (assuming it really did) to fall on the school. Obviously, parents aren’t going to threaten to pull their kids over a student’s low standardized test scores; there was clearly another element being hidden from us. Also, it’s unlikely she would commit suicide solely for being expelled from a school. There could have been something like drugs, same-gender attraction, or some such thing that was purposely omitted.
The only people who are going to believe that this had anything to do with her academics are the people who already are looking for excuses to criticize Lakewood Yeshivish schools.