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February 4, 2019 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm in reply to: Is it healthy for yehiva bochurim to learn from a artscroll? #1674053Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
“felt more people benefited from it than was harmed”
I don’t think he denied that in terms of number of people. We’re talking about a specific group of people who is enrolled in an institution with the specific aim of training them to learn without translation. I don’t think it needs a lengthy explanation as to why falling back on a translation would hinder one from reaching this goal. It’s sort of a silly discussion to begin with.
February 3, 2019 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm in reply to: Is it healthy for yehiva bochurim to learn from a artscroll? #1673214Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Neville: Jastrow isn’t that easy to use.”
I use Jastrow sometimes. What makes you think it’s harder than any other foreign language dictionary?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Well, how would Been Shapiro know that baby Adolf y”s would be a killer?”
The point was that it was theoretical. I believe Ben misunderstood the question himself, but it’s totally loaded anyway. It’s a classic, liberal media gotcha question.
The point was not that it was an Austrian-born baby who happened to be named Adolf Hitler and could grow up to become anything. The question was supposed to be: if you know that this baby will vadai grow up to orchestrate the Holocaust, would you kill it to prevent that? So, Ben’s answer of letting it live but influencing it to not become the monster is not a real answer. You can’t change the terms of a hypothetical question.
He should have responded by calling out the question for what it is: an absurd, leftist pro-abortion argument that all aborted babies would grow up to be bad people anyway so we might as well kill them.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYisro:
Is it lashon hara to say Vegas isn’t a tzniusdik vacation spot? How many times do we have to repeat that saying you’ll see pritzus in a certain area is not lashon hara by anyone’s definition… other than non-tznius snowflakes who apparently take personal offense to everything on account of their sub-conscious guilt.Coffee addict: I think you asked me something a while back about the 5T’s image on the internet and said I didn’t get back to you. I didn’t really understand the question, but I think the proof is in the pudding right here on this thread for my original point. You don’t see this kind of passionate defense of any other problematic community. I think, unfortunately, many frum people took the gamble of moving there and aren’t yet willing to admit the mistake. You have a usual suspects like ZD, and Gadol who will always chime in to defend anyone violating the halachah under any circumstances as long as they aren’t from Lakewood, but the Five Towns gets defenders from beyond that usual white noise.
February 3, 2019 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm in reply to: Is it healthy for yehiva bochurim to learn from a artscroll? #1672990Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Does anybody in the Yeshiva velt still use a Jastrow?”
Yes. Why not?
Artscroll’s translation is not so clearly word-for-word. So, it really doesn’t help the bocher learn Aramaic at all. Also, the way they vocalize a lot of words is just completely wrong, or perhaps just against the pronunciation used traditionally.
February 1, 2019 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm in reply to: Is the MO community concerned with SED? Why the silence? #1672397Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantThis is not something that the liberals would want to do, but if someone were to group by ethnicity, would Yeshiva’s test scores still fair better?
Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ’s of any ethnicity; that’s definitely a confounding variable in saying that Orthodox schools have better scores than public schools. Do Jews going to Yeshivas actually perform better than Jews going to public schools? Or, are we just not comparing apples to apples?
Also, for those taking the anti-legislation rhetoric out to its logical extreme, if a governing body is going to have a law forbidding thingermuwhut, it has to define what thingermuwhut is. Same goes here for truancy. There’s no point in an arbitrary law that anyone can get out of because it relies on the honor system. Either be intellectually honest and say you think there should be no truancy laws at all, or admit that they have a common sense responsibility to define what it means to be in school.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantKnaid:
We say “baalhabus,” “baalhabatim,” and “baalhabatish” as single words in the US. Hebrew-grammar wise, you’re correct.Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“They don’t know any better and do not think they are doing anything wrong. On the contrary, they respect Bnei Torah and treat them in the highest regard.”
So, despite the town allegedly oozing with Bnei Torah and kollelim, the MO crowd still manages to “not know any better?” Yeah, I don’t buy it. You can’t have it bother ways. Either it’s a separatist MO enclave where they’re shut off from proper halachah, or they are fully aware of how wrong it is what they’re doing.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“You are doing exactly what you claim I am doing, You are lumping everyone in the 5 towns, They are not Monolithic, there are all kinds of people there”
None of us are doing that except for you in regards to the Lakewood types. We are simply acknowledging a regional problem. If someone says you’re going to see untznius things at Daytona Beach, it doesn’t mean they’re passing judgement on every resident of Daytona Beach; they’re just stating a fact. There certainly are halachah-abiding folks in the Five Towns, but why should that mean we ignore the greater problem?
For the facts:
On Central Avenue in the Summer, rov females are untznius. Anyone with the slightest bit of experience there knows this; it’s not even close to 50/50.
The schools in the area are not yeshivish, and 5 Towners purposely and disingenuously take credit for the yeshivish communities of Far Rockaway and Bayswater to claim they have a mix.
For your unrelated analogy: only a fool would think that there is no financial fraud in the frum community, but only someone blinded by MO propaganda would think it’s more than 50% of the frum community.Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantOK, this is simply incomprehensible at this point.
Are these insults references that everyone is supposed to get? Are they even insults? I can’t tell. Am I the only one confused here?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“you obviosuly missed my point, When you wag the finger at someone , Be careful they can wag it back at you”
How does this make sense in your head? Do you think I personally am one of the people mentioned in that article?You talk like the non-modern crowd is all one giant connected conspiracy thinking with a unified brain. I am not guilty for something a random guy in Lakewood does. This thread is a region-based discussion, not community-based. If you thought moving to Lakewood would cause a guy to fall into the temptation to commit welfare fraud, then warn him by all means. However, that is not the subject of this thread. You are welcome to make a thread about those problems in Lakewood, but this is about the Five Towns.
Sorry if it takes me a while to post again. I’m going to be away at the Protocols of the Elders of Chareidim meeting.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Look this thread is silly (not that I don’t love silly threads) nobody is coming to YWN to look for advice on this and nobody is changing their behavior based on a comment on YWN.”
I agree that nobody is going to run a big life decision by the YWN CR, but whether you like it or not, forums come up pretty quickly when googling any Jewish community related question/topic. The Five Towns have enjoyed an unfairly positive image on the internet as a whole, which is misleading. Anything that can be done to correct that should be done.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“I guess its OK to give Tochacha for communities that have tax evaders child molestors , People stealing government benefits like Medicaid or section 8”
Who here said it wasn’t? What’s with you MO’s and singling out completely unrelated aveiros that nobody is defending as a justification for your own issues?
Yichus: Just sweep the money argument under the rug. You’re free to defend the Five Towns, but there’s no point in going down with that argument. The idea that a person has to take on the avairas of anyone from whom they receive money is not held of by anyone including you (as indicated by your unwillingness to answer DY’s question).
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“People respect and trust those who hold true to their values even when it differs from
the crowd.”
I know this shittah comes directly from things that your Rebbe said, but it just clearly isn’t true today. Maybe it was 50 years ago. But, if you refuse to shake hands with a feminist, they aren’t going to “respect” you for holding by your values. Same goes for tznius; it’s just not the reality today.On a side note, I love to see how much this thread is trolling the 5-Towns-worshippers. It really warms my heart and makes me want to keep it going forever.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantYou’re just proving the point.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Why post derogatory things about a community otherwise?”
None of our posts have been directed AT the non-tznius people in the Five Towns; I’m not sure how you read it that way. The point we’re getting across is that people should not make the same mistake as the OP and consider moving to the Five Towns under the assumption that it’s Charedi.
The same would go for Joseph’s question. If a frum person didn’t know what it meant to be a Conservative shul and they were considering going to one, you would have to tell them it’s a problem. Now, you could say that would never happen because everyone knows what a Conservative shul is. And, you’re right, but it didn’t get that way by everyone staying silent about it.
Let me ask you, do you also take issue with the threads on the CR, and the articles on YWN that have criticized the Open Orthodox community?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“That kind of slang is common with every adolescent child in school, regardless of the religion, language, or even generation.”
Yeah, I was just reading Kipling about life in British-controlled India. The Hindus and Muhammadans had a big machlokes on whether to pronounce it “kol tov,” or “kol tuv,” but they said they were mochel each other in the end.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantGadol:
Some yeshivish guys hear of an idea that when you want to get forgiveness from someone, it’s not enough for it to just be b’libo; they actually have to declare that they’re mochel you out loud.I don’t know of any mainstream community that accepts this as a m’akev din. I think it’s just another yeshiva bocher shtick.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“the male gender has gone awol on this topic.”
Look what happens when we bring it up even behind internet anonymity. You end up with with the whiny, meikel crowd claiming everything from extremism to motzei shem ra. It’s PC, feminist culture creeping in and censoring the men. Some of them may truly not care about the halachah, but I don’t think all of them. Yes, I think they’re wimps for not speaking out about it anyway, but it’s not like they have nothing to lose.
Trustinhashem: I can’t tell if you’re a troll, an offended Jewish feminist, or someone who just watched an inspirational video and now think he knows hilchos lashon hara.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantPretty much everyone technically dislikes their job. If it were fun, you wouldn’t get paid for it.
When people say they “love” their job, they mean relative to other jobs. It doesn’t mean they’d rather be at work than at an amusement park or on vacation.
I’m sure there are a few freaks out there that are an exception to the rule. Older generations seem to consider it distasteful to admit to hating working, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIt’s not about punishing children for their parents. First of all, it’s fairly safe to assume that the same mistakes would continue within the institution. But mainly, it makes no logical sense to say that if someone does a good enough job of keeping their crimes secret, then they get off scott-free after a certain point. There never should have been a statute of limitations for this particular crime.
Prioritizing the protection of the institution and its image over the victims as a policy is an institutional problem, not an individual one. And, many of you seem to agree with this type of policy, at least subconsciously. The Catholic church scandal came to public attention after a lot of the abuses had taken place, because they had succeeded in suppressing the truth to protect their yeshiv… err churches… You think that if they cover it up for a certain number of years they should have no liability? Or, you just think that enablers should never have any liability in the first place?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Certain locations it is more prevalent than others. How many times can you walk through Borough Park, the holy holy holy Borough Park, and see people walking around in tight and barely barely barely covering the necessities clothing?”
It’s true that there are problems elsewhere, but there’s a difference between wearing tight, m’ikkar hadin tznius clothing and dressing beneath goyish standards (forget the halachah, they aren’t worried about it). When you come in and say on a thread like this that women in Boro Park wear tight clothes, it inherently comes across as though that’s lessening the gravity of the issue in the 5 Towns. We’re talking about a unique issue here; No matter how hard you look, Boro Park doesn’t have anything this bad going on. It’s just not comparable.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“NCB, nobody is defending enabling child molestation. Total straw man.”
If a Yeshiva knows it has a child molester and does not do anything about it, they should be sued out of existence. If you disagree, you are definitively an enabler. That’s not a straw man; that’s just a matter of not warping the definition of enabling to fit your wacko agenda.
January 29, 2019 9:48 am at 9:48 am in reply to: Is it safe to invest in an up and coming Jewish community? #1670477Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantScranton is another good example, ZD. I forgot about that one.
Is it too early to put Rochester on the list?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Neville, which part do you have a problem with, the manner of dress, or them calling themselves frum?”
For them, it’s the way they dress.I don’t think it’s necessarily Five Towns residents perpetuating the myth (maybe it is). I know your question was probably a set up to make the point that this is all just about semantics and silliness etc. but it’s not. The biggest credit one can give to Avi Weiss and his crew is that they’re at least honest; they aren’t pretending to be anything more than what they are. They came up with a new label for themselves. It does bother me that when a one-foot-off the derech community calls itself by a name like Open Orthodox, it gains the obsession of frum news outlets. But, then the same stuff and worse goes on elsewhere without a name to warn onlookers, it gets under the radar and anyone who points it out gets accused of being judgmental.
People can and have said much worse things about the OO on these forums. But, when they talk about people doing the same exact things in the Five Towns, it’s suddenly wrong. Why? What’s the difference? The lack of the word “Open?” THAT, my friend, is just silly semantics.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI would have assumed a poster defending enabling child molestation was just a troll if it weren’t for the alarming number of people who apparently agree. This thread is David Duke’s wildest fantasy.
Seriously, guys, get a life. Your holy yeshiva is not worth more than children’s well being. You’re making us sound worse than the Catholic church.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Breuers I believe was the first American shul to start relying on kulos and doing Ma’ariv right after Mincha. I believe everyone else started when half of Monsey would pack into KAJ every evening.”
Davening minchah/marriv as a combo after shkiah has been done by Ashekenazim for quite possibly over a thousand years. The Rema davened minchah after shkiah, the Maharil davened minchah after shkiah, chassidim have continued to do so, etc. See siman 233.
The point is, it’s not a kulah just because it’s not your minhag. It also doesn’t retroactively become a kulah just because the M”B prefers that people not do it.
What does this have to do with davening pace anyway?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIt’s disappointing that the focus of this thread turned to being only about davening too quickly. The OP was also being critical of the other extreme.
Most people are prone to zoning out if they have to sit through tedious, yeshivish davening. Yet, most people also can’t truly say every word and still keep up at an MO, 5-minute p’sukei d’zimra style shul. The common-sense intermediate doesn’t seem to exist today in America when it comes to weekday davening.
January 28, 2019 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm in reply to: Is it safe to invest in an up and coming Jewish community? #1669459Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Satmar built townhouses in Bloomingburg in upstate NY which are not selling and going into forclosure, is an example in NY of a community that was built and Jews moved in and then for what ever reason others didn’t follow.”
I believe Mt. Kisco was also hoped to evolve into a rural, frum outpost, but it didn’t really catch on either.
The point is, lightbright, if you look only at places like Monsey, Lakewood, and Kiryas Yoel, it might seem like whenever the Jews decree that a place shall be an up-an-coming community, it’s a big success and housing prices skyrocket. But, this isn’t really the case as there are many failures that people just don’t talk about.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantOh, wow, that’s a really good point, tango. We totally forgot about peleg protesters. The existence of protesters in Israel clearly makes it 100% mutar to dress like a prostitute in the Five Towns and call yourself frum. I can’t believe we missed that obvious connection. Welp, glad we settled this issue.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“You are you in a tough position and are seeking help. The problem isn’t you. The problem is that the community has failed you. ”
This is 100% true. My guess is that a lot of the posters attacking the OP probably have some tznius problems to sort out in their own lives. Truth hurts. The OP is doing a good thing by getting this issue out in the open online. We wouldn’t even be talking about a tzius crisis in a place like Riverdale, or some random OOT place with a Conservative/Reform community. The only reason this is relevant is because the Five Towns are allegedly frum. My proposed solution to the problem: give up the fantasy. Sweep it under the rug. The Five Towns didn’t pan out; just let it become Riverdale 2.0. The non-tznius, anti-halachah crowd have to live somewhere, better that they have their own enclaves than ruin our communities.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“yes, he would say that. What people do on their own is between them and Hashem.”
So, in your father’s Torah, stealing from a fellow human being is just a problem between the thief and Hashem? Because, one of the examples Joseph asked about was stealing. Nothing on this thread has been about things people “do on their own.”January 27, 2019 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm in reply to: Is it safe to invest in an up and coming Jewish community? #1669069Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantTo invest your life savings in one thing is not safe no matter what it is.
I guess the real question is if it’s a low risk investment if it’s a successful up and coming community. Obviously, at some point houses in Monsey cost the same as normal up-state homes, and now they’re obscene. So, I could see why someone would want to get in on that. In reality, I think by the time you know it’s going to be a successful community, it’s too late.
January 27, 2019 11:37 am at 11:37 am in reply to: shopping at a new super grocery store vs the corner grocery store. #1668736Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIf they’re both frum yidden owned, then I don’t see why the size of the store would make any difference at all.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Denying that is burying one’s head in the sand.”
And, publicly denying the problem on mass media is like pulling others’ heads under the sand with you.On a side note, why shouldn’t there be hechsherim on clothing for shatnez? Talleisin have hechshers, but I’ve never seen it on normal clothing. Does it exist, and I just don’t know about it?
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Joseph, people react to being shunned by saying “Okay, I’m a goy now”. Then they go off, marry goyim, and don’t even put a menorah near their Christmas tree.”
What’s your point? I’m not saying I agree with the shunning idea, but how is this a counter-argument? You think the frum world should be constantly held hostage and forced to condone all kinds of aveiras out of fear of “driving people away?” That’s exactly the kind of thought-process that landed the greater MO community in the tznius crisis they have today.“there ate likely bigger issurom in posting the name of a community than being an annus here and there and seeing an elbow.”
Oh, give me a break. There is nothing even close to assur about admitting that a certain region has problems, on average, with a certain halachah. Nothing was specific about the OP. Would it be a problem in your version of the Torah if the OP posted about the “American community?” Nothing he said concerned any individuals or institutions. Leading people to believe that a non-tzniusdik community is a yeshivish enclave is closer to lifnei iver than the OP’s post is to lashon hara.January 24, 2019 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm in reply to: The differences between Litvish/Yeshivish marriages and Chasidish marriages #1668028Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“the realities of living together as husband/wife are really the same for ALL frum yidden.”
That isn’t true at all, and I don’t think you even think so. Would you say the realities of husband/wife dynamics are the same for a yeshivish couple where the male learns full time and the woman provides 100% of the household income and for a MO couple where they both contribute equally? The Litvish world is quite possibly the first society in the history of all mankind to attempt a system where the female is the sole provider. Whether or not it’s a successful experiment, you could debate. But, I don’t think it’s possible to say it’s just like any other frum relationship or just like any other relationship. It’s radically different than any other kind of marriage.
To your credit, I have no idea what point Joseph was making with the MO/Bucharian analogy. One is an ethnic group and one is a level of religiosity; a person could easily be both.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantTalmid, since you chose a town where that actually does hold true, you do have a point. A person is not always going to be able to earn a parnasah in a tzniusdik place. Tons of Jews work in Manhattan, surrounded by goyim, and life goes on.
I don’t think that negates the OP’s point, however. I believe he wanted to make a post about a problem in the 5 Towns, but he rephrased it as a personal problem, which was smart. If you phrase something as a societal critique, then people will call you a troll and say you’re an extremist up on a soap box. Rephrasing it a personal issue makes it much more likely to get past moderation and be treated with respect by other posters.
As for the merit of talking about it at all, it would be pointless to make the point about Harlem where everyone is goyish. With the 5 Towns, you have a place that people want to believe is the epitome of a successful up-and-coming community, the “New Lakewood,” as it’s been called on the CR before. It’s worth publicizing the reality. Also, nothing the OP said was personal; he didn’t single out individuals or institutions. The only people who would take personal offence with his grievance are those clinging to this strange, Utopian dillusion.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantSleeves above the the elbow is assur according to everyone, even MO rabbis. It’s specifically brought down by chazal along with covering knees.
Every MO enclave has some degree of tznius problem. Most OOT MO communities have a lot of women who wear pants. The 5 Towns derech of immodesty seems to favor wearing really, really short skirts. No, I don’t mean “at-the-knee,” I mean mini-skirts like goyish college students wear. Why single out the 5 Towns?
1) It’s where the OP happens to be
2) Contrary to popular belief, the mini skirts are halachically more problematic than pants.
3) Unlike most places that admit to being meikel and might even be proud of it (eg. Riverdale), the 5 Towns lacks all self-awareness.Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantAnd you’re posting this in the winter. Just wait until you see central av in the summer; it feels like Las Vegas.
There’s really nothing you can do. Sounds like a case of another yid conned into thinking the 5 Towns are frummer than they are. If this thread stays alive, you’re going to see a lot of posters come in and claim that there’s no tznius problem in Cedarhurst, and that we’re all just crazy. Their voices will drown out our’s, and the myth of the 5 Towns will live on.
January 23, 2019 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm in reply to: The differences between Litvish/Yeshivish marriages and Chasidish marriages #1667465Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“As someone who has friends from both groups, the premise is beyond ludicrous. I would even go out on a limb and argue that Chassidim have happier marriages. (I am not Chassidish.)”
What are you thinking is “the premise?” That Litvish and Chassidish marriages are different from each other? If so, it seems like you do agree with the premise by your second sentence.“Trying to generalize about whether chassidishe or Litvishe marriages are more or less “successful”l, “happier””
The OP specifically says that that isn’t what this thread is about…Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“Republican Rand Paul the only senator to oppose the pro-Israel anti-BDS bill.”
That’s a straight up lie. Do you mean to say he was the only Republican senator to oppose it?“Republican Steve King defends White Supremacy and White Nationalism.”
News flash: Zionism is, by definition, Jewish Nationalism. My point is not that it’s wrong. Nationalism can be a good thing; you’re apparent support for Zionism shows that you agree.January 23, 2019 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm in reply to: The differences between Litvish/Yeshivish marriages and Chasidish marriages #1667208Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“by and large have notable romance, beyond what any long term marriage has?”
No, I believe they have the same as any long term marriage. I think that others tend to believe that they have none.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“In the time of Geulah (which may already be here), Moshiach will come wearing Techeiles to make Shidduchim.”
He will also cause measles vaccines to rain down from the heavens.
Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantGadol:
Do they still have sugary, syrupy schnapps for guys like me who are… secure with our masculinity as we like to call it…?Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant“peach, mango, chocolate, watermelon, coffee, garlic, etc.”
Can you tell me where I can get my hands on some garlic-flavored liquor?
January 23, 2019 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm in reply to: Summary of the Inyan article on Techeiles #1667142Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIsn’t this a straight up duplicate thread? And, I don’t just mean because of the pre-existing techeles thread; I thought there was already one specifically about the article.
January 23, 2019 9:59 am at 9:59 am in reply to: The differences between Litvish/Yeshivish marriages and Chasidish marriages #1667065Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantCould you just tell us which side you’re going to take, Joseph, before anyone wastes time posting their opinions for you to “correct.”
I don’t want to offend DaasYochid, because this might not be what he meant. But, usually when people say stuff like what is mentioned in the OP, they are implying that Chassidishe marriages are a purely pragmatic instrument for fulfilling a mitzvah, whereas Litvish marriages have an actual romantic component. I don’t necessarily believe this to be true at all, but I do think it’s what people are implying when they talk like that.
January 21, 2019 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm in reply to: Freezer-Burnt: Most boys unprepared for dating or married life. #1665430Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantNaftush:
You’re talking about 2 different things. Saying that shadchanim are practicing human engineering is one thing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the so-called “freezer.” Everything you’re describing would just happen a few months earlier otherwise.Gadol: “As far as where did our parents and grandparents “learn” to be husban/wife, probably w/o the benefit of online videos, kallah classes etc.”
Are you suggesting they didn’t have Choson/Kallah classes back then? Do you think in the alte heim that people were just born with a perfect working knowledge of hilchos niddah?Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantAvi, I have no idea what you’re trying to reply to. I never said anyone shouldn’t pay taxes. I’m also not really sure why you’re so intent on defending Christianity. Their claim that they’re true monotheists who don’t view their guy as a demigod is about as useful as Muslim’s claim that Islam is a “religion of peace.”
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