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Thanks, Gadol. But, when exactly do you think I was “ahead?”
Mod 29, I apologize. While I would answer the OP’s question that same way I tried to here if I were asked privately, I understand that you have to do what you have to do for the integrity of this website.
I think anything even slightly resembling a positive purpose to maintaining an account here for me has long expired (if there ever was one). I’m not saying that to insult your website, by the way. I’m not sure of any way to delete an account. If it’s not possible, would you mind blocking me? As any good forum user will tell you, it’s not as simple as just quitting. If you can’t, it’s fine; I think I have a work-around. And, don’t worry, it doesn’t involve me spewing swears until I get blocked.
Also, just for the purposes of not frustrating 29 any further I should clarify that those last mean-spirited comments were not just an attempt to get blocked nor am I trying to sweep them under the rug as such to avoid responsibility. I really am that petty. Sorry.
Also, Gadol, of course the scotch was lousy. It’s minhag klal Yisroel to drink weekday scotch on Shabbos Chazon.
I hope you will reconsider. I would be sorry to see you go.
How am I not banned yet?
“As long as it’s you saying it. If I say it I’m MO and a Feminist. I mean, why else would I be objecting to this behavior?”
Except that isn’t what you said. You accused him of being freid out and not believing in Torah for bumping a thread that you don’t like. I’m one of the meanest people on this site, and yet I think I can confidently say, I’ve never quite gone that far.“Some say it’s difficult make a living in Israel
for immigrants”
Some say those who immigrate to frumkeit and have questions like that of the OP have trouble making a living not realizing how most people get their jobs in the system. Those that say that are prone to being blocked by a man-child mod who wants to keep them in the dark so that he can keep his pride and pretend he’s accomplished something in life.“I find that hard to believe. Do you have a source?”
Maseches Avodah Zara.
“If the unemployment rate is 0% that means people won’t be hungry”
I never said that. But, if the unemployment rate is anything other than 0, then people are in need of income that they don’t have. I think it’s pretty logical to assume that would eventually lead to inability to afford basic necessities.Maybe because it happens to always be the same mod deleting really tame posts while all kinds of vile gets through? You haven’t really denied the assertion. Basing moderation on “tone” is subjective and admits that the post’s content didn’t violate anything. You read my posts in the certain tone because of who you perceive me to be. This perception is probably rightfully based on my more spiteful posts elsewhere, which I imagine are allowed through when another mod is on duty.
Not.
And, biases against who? Real estate agents? I wish people could realize how absurd that statement is in light of the post being discussed. We’re talking about a post listing saturated certification programs.
Not sure why I’m bothering but… no, it wasn’t the certification programs it was an attitude toward certain people and a certain lifestyle. I’m sorry you can write what you do without even realizing you wrote it, but that doesn’t really change the need to delete.
over and out
“The participants would not be paid.”
Would there be a light signal that the police commissioner could shine into the sky when he needs to call on the GGWG’s?Seriously? Who on earth was I disrespecting? I’ve said legitimately mean-spirited things directed at specific posters before and gotten through. There was no target in that post; I don’t know how you could have possibly read it as though there was.
Was one of the professions I listed your own person side hustle and it was hard to swallow pill?
I am not sure why your go-to is always to assume personal affront. That assertion is ludicrous as half the posts would disappear. Perhaps some of your biases are just so ingrained that you don’t even know they are there.
Yes.
If you think it’s healthy for parts of the population to go hungry because giving them a livelihood MIGHT affect the general cost of living in the country, you are a terrible person.
Just out of curiosity, and I know this is a random place to post this, but was my comment actually deemed inappropriate for some reason or did I trip the spam detector with my account again?
I was not comfortable with the condescending/disrespectful overtones. Sometimes I let them thru anyway, depending on the target, but sometimes not. And then on some days I play Russian roulette and do an every-forty-third-post-gets-deleted thing. But this wasn’t one of those days. – 29
“What would happen if someone made an official “militia” for the purpose of having GGWGs at all places that are at risk?”
You mean like an umbrella organization that puts armed guards at all shuls and schools? I would imagine if one organization got big enough, it would be regulated as a public utility like electricity and become sort of a secondary police.There are already private armed security services that many shuls are already utilizing. What would be different about what you’re describing other than the arbitrary use of the word “militia?”
Reform:
My point was that you don’t really need to be machria a statement in a musar/philosophy sefer with a point in halachah. You could just conclude that Rebbe Nachman didn’t really mean “always,” or frankly just ignore the contradiction.It’s quite common for musar sforim to state things that are not really meakev. I used to call musar shiur the wild wild west because the Rabbi can make any kind of statement about something being “assur” without any proofs from the gemara or S”A. The point is that it’s “ethics” not halachah.
If you think it’s a bad thing, you are a terrible person.
I have decided to boycott meat from Rosh Chodesh, all the way until the 11th of the month (excluded Shabbosim)! That’s how dedicated I am to your cause.
“The halachah is about social events of simchah, while R Nachman is talking about personal שמחה. No contradiction.”
Likutei Moharan is not a sefer halachah. Whether or not there’s a contradiction is irrelevant; it’s not comparing apples to apples.“Yes it is. You even know it is, so you have to twist the words משׁנכנס אב ממעטין בּשׂמחה to mean the opposite of their meaning.”
Seriously. With all of our creative minds combined, we never came up with anything that far out on the YTC Teshuvos thread.“To imply that OU Israel is not reliable is motsi Shem rah.”
Your insecurity is laughable. Would it be motzi shem rah for me to say the Triangle K is not reliable?
Of course not. Your definition of “motzi shem ra” is “anyone who disagrees with my MO shittah and makes me feel inferior.” Pathetic.
“Then, a few days ago, I listened to a shiur about how to counteract all of the suffering, it is our jobs as Jews to spread even more happiness during these days to bring on the Geula”
Let me guess, Chabad?
The halachah is clear that we decrease simchah. And no, the inverse is not “the Chassidishe shittah.” It might be that of ONE Chassidus, but not the rest. One thing to consider: if a group/person willingly broadcasts on the internet and elsewhere that “the geula is here!” that group will inherently treat the 9 days less seriously/as a formality, so take it with a grain of salt.
Actually, most kosher meat sellers just had awesome fire sales on meat right before the 9 days. I got some of the best quality meat I’ve ever had for last Shabbos, which I normally can’t afford.
As someone who usually only buys chicken and the absolute lowest quality cuts of beef, I haven’t noticed any price increase lately. Maybe it’s just your region or the brands you’re buying?
OK, so you were referencing the fact that Neville Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler? Did it have any significance to this thread?
Was your first comment a joke also? I don’t really follow.
““If” OU standards in EY were lower or different than in the US, Do you really believe that the OU would say so?”
They aren’t lower. It’s a meikel hechsher in the US as well, but the halachah is simple enough in the US that it doesn’t pose a problem for most people.For example, relying on heter mechirah is not something surprising and/or out-of-line for the OU to do. It’s exactly what you would expect them to do. In the US, non-modern people eat OU. In Israel, no non-modern people hold by the heter mechirah, and therefore would not eat the OU (btw, shmittah treifs dishes).
But, I’m not sure why I waste my energy. Comment’s like Avi’s just further prove that you guys only start these threads because of the inferiority complexes you MO folks all seem to have.
“Oy Neville, you are still an appeaser… this time of the JEWISH haters. You make it so easy. Get a grip.”
I actually have no idea what you mean. Does anyone understand what he’s getting at?
Wait, is it Jerry Yang or Andrew Yang?
“Who cares? How they vote is their business, they report the news. That’s their job.”
It’s absolutely the readers’ business whether or not they’re being fed biased coverage. What kind of nonsense state is that?“Tachlis, it’s the OU. Please stop with the motsi Shem rah.’
Please copy and paste one thing from this thread that you think was motzi shem rah about the OU. Nobody has said anything other than explaining that different halachos apply in the boundaries of Eretz Yisroel.
Gadol:
That discussion has probably happened sense the dawn of humanity. Company’s will absolutely not feel motivated to reduce the workweek, they’ll just lay people off and keep the remaining workers at 40 hours like they did with the original tech revolution.I personally would prefer if they cut the workweek rather than cut people’s jobs (I think we all would), but they aren’t going to do it unless they’re forced. Was that Yang’s point?
“joseph: “Muktzeh does not mean an issur to carry, FYI”
Ubiquitin ” True, but caryying is assur too”
DY: “There are a lot of thing that are assur on shabbos, this thread is about Muktzeh not those other things””There we go. Now I understand. The difference is that a Kiddush Hashem is an actual mitzvah, while looking good to goyim was described by DY as “a good thing that we’re supposed to do.” He was careful to use lashon such that it wouldn’t sound me’akev. Do you think it is an actual mitzvah to look good in front of goyim, or just a practical consideration? Are we all in agreement that a frum woman getting a job in the US government is not truly a “Kiddush Hashem” in the Torahdik sense?
In Israel, kashrus is completely different. There are considerations like sh’mittah, chadash, maaser, chillul Shabbos, etc. that don’t necessarily come up in America. That’s the actual answer.
Now that you have that to ignore, here’s the answer you actually wanted: because we’re dumb, crazy Chareidim and we think we’re so much better than you, but really we’re just crazy and stupid and can’t get over ourselves. Is that good?
You could argue he’s a RINO, or neo-con like Ben Shapiro and just hates anyone who isn’t like Bush and his ilk.
I would argue that YWN leans Conservative and is, in fact, pro-Trump. However, they happen to pull a lot of stories from the AP, which has become extremely, shamelessly biased. A lot of sites seem to pull stories from the AP; I imagine its a cheaper license than pulling from Fox or some such thing.
YWN seems to rely on them for their parve news that doesn’t require any YWN-editorializing. However, since Trump has become President, the liberal media works in bashes on him in any and all articles, regardless of the relevance. When YWN writes its own pieces, they seem conservative. This is in contrast to Hamodia, which seems to be legitimately liberally-biased.
“Fantastic! So we agree, shalom al yisroel”
I think we always did. I just think myself and others didn’t really see where you were going with your mashal.Might I suggest this one instead: people have come to (erroneously) use the word “muktzeh” to refer to any issur on shabbos, not just the issur of muktzeh itself (eg. “you can’t carry here. There’s no eiruv; it’s muktzeh.). If a thread sought to comment on this by saying “Muktzeh does not mean any action which is assur on shabbos” it might be confusing in the way you claim.
This being said, I didn’t get the confusion with this thread. If you kept up with the YWN headlines, it was clear what it was commenting upon. It’s really gotten out of hand.
60 in the summer, 70 in the winter. Always overcompensate for the temperature of the environment.
Can’t fault Joseph for taking the thread exactly where the OP clearly wanted it to go.
Most of us deal with/benefit from the OU on a day to day basis, either in the form of kashrus or shuls. To be honest, I’m not exactly sure what function Agudas serves in America. I’m not saying there isn’t one; I just don’t know what it is. But, it is categorically non-modern as others have stated here.
Yeah, why would adding Monday accomplish anything? I thought you were going to say Friday for the people who stay at work after shkiah in the winters.
“Ah, but my imaginary thread wasn’t about ״תשובו כעין תדורו״ , it was about, and I quote, “Eating in the sukkah ….””
You keep getting dinged on this because your “imaginary thread” is not a good mashal. You admit you would be wording it poorly if you wrote it that way. Joseph did not word this thread in a comparable way.
The OP is a response to recent articles using “kiddush Hashem” to describe a Chassidishe guy changing a tire (no joke) and a frum woman getting an important position in US government. The headlines were using it in the colloquial manor I mentioned above. Nobody is arguing that there’s no inyan in looking good by goyim; they might be arguing that there’s no halachic inyan in itself.
“I dont think it would make sense for me to then say “There are lots of good things we are supposed to do. This thread is about eating in the sukkah, not all of the other things.””
Except that dwelling in the sukkah does include sleeping. If you wrote a post worded in the way you used as an example, it would be your fault for wording it poorly.In truth, “kiddush Hashem” has clearly become a colloquialism in the 21st century to mean “makes us look good to the goyim.” Whether or not that lines up at all with its halachic definition is the subject of this thread, but I don’t see any point in denying the reality that that’s its most common usage today. I think what Joseph and DY are getting at is that people should be able to separate its slang usage from its halachic meaning, which some posters seem unable to do.
“Does going into a Hindu Temple in NYC and destroying all the Idols a Kiddush Hashem or a Chilul Hashem?”
Why would it be a chilul Hashem? (Not rhetorical; I want you to give me the issurim you think are involved here).“If you want to learn … do what’s best for you and don’t listen to any of those comments above”
Except if you don’t listen to others, you’ll assume that what’s easier is better, and of course Artscroll is easier.“the point is to be able to properly learn gemara without having to use the orgignal text”
Then why do they bother printing the original text on the other page (several times over)?Soncino and Jastrow are far better than Artscroll. You’ll never learn Aramaic using Artscroll because of the way they do their translations (not word-by-word).
Yeshivas still use Jastrow, by the way. 21st century bochrim are not all magically born fluent in Hebrew and Aramaic.
“Neville, those are either offensive”
Ah, so you mean offensive as in “offensive odor” or something that doesn’t go over well in polite society? Not offensive as in “you assumption of my gender is offensive.”“I think they fall into a different category than ones such as “affirmative action” or “undocumented immigrant”.”
I’m sorry, but what is affirmative action a euphemism for? I’ve only ever heard it used in its most literal definition: a law requiring less qualified blacks/women to be hired instead of more qualified white males.“I wonder what Moshe Rabbeinu , Dovid and Shaul and Shlomo Hamelchs hair was like?
And please don’t say it was the times…”
Um, wut?
“Euphemisms of any kind are offensive, because they imply that the subject is so shocking that it cannot be stated directly.”
Do you think it’s offensive to say “passed away” instead of “died?” Or, “took his own life” instead of “killed himself?”
“Also, how could could any udentifiable Chasid make a real Jew feel inadequate?”
By existing and being more frum than you. You look to find fault in him to lift up yourself.Pretty much everyone on this thread so far. Do you really need me to list names? You can just start scrolling from the top.