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“Why would I or anyone have a problem with what Philosopher wrote? It’s Judaism 1.0.”
I am so psyched for Judaism 2.0 to come out.
“jdf, think western europe and USA where assimilation was in mid 1800 already.”
Yeah, but so what? If they assimilated, they assimilated. That means they aren’t going around identifying as Jewish nowadays. This idea that you’ll have a family line falsely identifying as Jewish, remaining secular all the while for 200 years is just implausible. At some point, they’ll just start identifying (correctly) as goyish or as nothing. It usually only takes 1 or 2 generations for that you happen, so nobody has to look back centuries.“you didn’t know anyone with intermarried parents until you reached college in another state………………………….
I have no idea how old you are. I might guess your home state is NY”
Why is this hard to believe? If he grew up in a frum community, there’s no reason he would have met anyone “half Jewish.” Then he went off to college and met “the others…”“Even regular Jews can give a bracha. A bracha from a tzaddik generally has more power because the tzaddik is on a higher spiritual level. A bracha is a BLESSING.”
Now let’s see qwerty come in and strongly agree with this because it came from his “team,” while if anyone else said it, he would be like, “look! He ACTUALLY just said that! Mamash Avoda Zara! Checkmate, ladies and gentlemen!”
“you probably didn’t read “habbaytzimhagedolim”;s username correctly. Please edit it.
Please don’t post this.
Thanks”They let through a guy named “Baalhabusta Nut” recently too. I think the CR just accidentally became a bastion of free speech.
“the fact that the Kiruv movement is past its prime.”
This has been true for decades now. I can’t provide stats for this, but it seems like over the past 10 years, Chofetz Chaim has abandoned more communities than they’ve established.“Even the classic “proofs” for Orthodox Judaism a la Rabbis Kelemen, Gottlieb, and Mechanic are passe. As an article in the Jewish Action a few months ago put it” “Proofs for the Torah?! That is so 90’s!””
I don’t know that they were even a good idea in the 90’s. I think they’re more stuck in the 60’s and 70’s when there were socially liberal, hippie baalei teshuva. That’s over. If they want to have any success today, I need to go after the weird kid with no friends who gets made fun of for wearing a MAGA hat in public. B’zman hazeh, those are the only people who are going to give up a secular life for an extremely rigid religion.“So before patronizing us with your chareid self-righteous attitude of who’s in and who’s out”
This was unnecessary and downright confusing. All he pointed out was that the Conservative/Reform movements have created people who identify as Jewish even though they are not. He’s not saying “who’s in and out.” The halachah is.“No they can’t. And what they could would cost significantly more. Read Adam Smith.”
OK, but he would not have been assuming that a country would handicap itself with far stricter regulations than other countries, then act bewildered when suppliers take their production elsewhere.
The way I see it, the breakdown of what people should hold is like this:
People who are okay with no minimum wage, some child-labor: deregulate The US so we can be competitive.
People who are okay with the above only when it takes place in China: come to terms with our jobs being outsourced forever.
People who are not okay with it anywhere: support high tariffs or even embargoes on countries that don’t agree with our labor laws.If people were intellectually honest, I think almost everyone would fit into one of those three groups, but usually it isn’t so simple. I haven’t usually heard Trumpists railing against China’s labor practices. Their case for tariffs seems to be quasi-tribalistic and emotionalist most of the time.
“Judging by qwertys hysterical responses to everything I believe QWERTY may actually be a woman.”
We might not be feminists here, but I don’t think we have to get this misogymistic; we’ve had plenty of competent female-posters here in the past. This is definitely not usual behavior for a woman either. I’ve heavily implied what I think qwerty’s situation is in real life, but I don’t want to say it outright.
“It would be great if it applied here, but I wonder whether [he] has any zechuyos at all.”
Given that I genuinely don’t think he can help it–at least not fully–I’m going to be optimistic. For the record, I don’t actually agree with indulging that type of behavior in real life at any age no matter what “issues” the person may have, but once the parents and education system have clearly done so for years, it would be silly to think a couple of guys on the YWN Coffee Room are going to be able to undo all of that. That’s why I’m not really engaging with him.
Jeesh, why is he still going. Does he really think anyone is reading all of these?
I asked this one time, and the professional answer I got was “don’t worry, they never stay ‘Jewish’ for more than one generation anyway.”
The idea that someone who thinks they’re Jewish had a “patrilineal descent” situation a hundred years ago that they aren’t aware of might seem scary, but it just never happens. They always assimilate into the goyim before it gets to that point.
OP:
For the most part, you can still do those mitzvos even without being chayev in them. You worded it as if you have a kasheh on the halachah, but if you think more about it, your problem might be with socio-cultural norms that prevent women from doing these mitzvos.UJM:
“primarily due to the negative influences on the world (over the last 100 or so years) from the terrible feminist/women’s liberation movement. It affects people without realizing it, even those who think they’ve been immune to it.”Yes, but this goes both ways. The Mishnah Berurah says we should be choshesh for the Ramban and have women daven shachris and mincha, yet now it’s stigmatized more due to overreaction to feminism.
“Qwerty, they are allowed to personally attack me constantly with lies and put-downs but they have issues with you attacking them personally….talk about hypocritical.”
Not once has any one of us attacked you personally. I would apologize if it came across that way, but I’ve been very careful. You are playing victim with no evidence. Copy and paste one post where I attacked you personally and I’ll apologize. That doesn’t mean respectfully disagreeing with you; that means the type of name-calling that your best friend qwerty is engaging in while you encourage him.“Meanwhile, none of them… Can name one rav who says Yaacov’s guf is physically alive.”
The question isn’t whether or not it’s reality. The question is whether or not Rashi said it. Would every Orthodox rabbi alive agree with this Rashi over other meforshim? Maybe not. Would every Orthodox rabbi alive agree that Rashi did in fact say this? Yes. 100%. Google “orthodox rabbis” and copy and paste that list into a post and you’ll have a group of Orthodox rabbis who agree with us. You’ll also have a list of Orthodox rabbis who agree that the sky is blue.You keep telling us to ask our personal rabbis about something that is pashut in Rashi. There’s no way I can think of to word this nicely, so I’m just going to be blunt: some of us don’t like asking our rabbis stupid questions. This is a well-known Rashi with a well known interpretation. You’re asking us to ask a baal teshuvish question, and we aren’t the ones who need to ask it. You are.
Square: If I post 10,000 times about how Hezbollah is bad, does that prove that Hamas is good? You’ve wasted your breath.
Phil:
Let’s say that hypothetically, one of Rashi’s children or grandchildren specified in writing that Rashi did not mean it literally, and that he meant it exactly as you are presenting it, but–for whatever reason–the greater Orthodox world ignored this and continued to interpret this as we’re saying. This hypothetical situation would not change ANYTHING about what I’m saying to you.In our current reality, you are a daas yochid on this. That might mean that you’re right and that the rest of the frum world is wrong. But, often times in life, it’s better to be normal than to be right. I would maybe suggest you look up the english definition of the word “orthodoxy” if this style of thinking seems crazy to you.
Square root: Proving that Democrats are bad for the Jews does not prove that Trump is good. You can have more than one bad guy. Funny that the religious Zionists finally have their best chance to say that the situation for Jews in America is possibly very dire, but they’re too busy kissing up to Trump to notice.
I don’t understand the current conservative minhag of ignoring the Tucker Carlson problem. He is very likely the most influential anti-Semite/neo-Nazi type person in the history of The US. There have been other extremists, but never with this kind of following. Why are random, stupid college kids the Democrats’ problem, but extremely mainstream conservative pundits are not the Republicans’ problem?
Menachem: I don’t even know how this lo mes thing got started, but does it even make sense for them to try to argue this point with you personally? If I’m not mistaken, I thought you were openly a tichiyas-hameisim-first-nik, rather than a still-alive-nik if you’re catching my drift. Is that not correct?
For the record, I don’t mean for this to be a point of argument or to start anything up with you, and if you don’t want to answer on this already hostile thread then I understand.
“Racism, nativism, and anti-Semitism are not legitimate reasons for denying refuge to people fleeing persecution and tyranny. Calvin Coolidge was wring in 1924 and Donald Trump is wring today.”
Dude, you’re still calling everyone you disagree with a racist? That is so last decade.
Phil:
You have 1 person, qwerty, agreeing with you on this Rashi. Feel free to read his posts to see the kind of person with whom you’re aligning.
You now how 5 (maybe more) people telling you that isn’t what that Rashi means, and only 1 of those 5 is a Lubavitcher. If you include Artscroll as 1 person, then that makes a 5th non-Lubavitcher arguing on you. If you consider how many editors probably saw that and gave it the green light, you have hundreds if not thousands. At this point, there’s clearly no point. You will continue to stick by your guns even if the entire Orthodox community tells you that isn’t the normative interpretation.
Hey, since we got your attention, can we talk about the loss of moderation on the forums? When did that happen and why?
“Is this Twitter?”
No, because I think they can actually block people over there and probably have ways or downvoting posts. This has just become some uncensored, dark web site just waiting to be infiltrated by neo-Nazis.
Are people seriously suggesting that being near people holding up signs supporting terrorists is a more dangerous situation that being near the actual terrorists themselves? Get a grip. I’m sure Joseph is trolling to some degree, but stop rewriting reality. Israel is currently more dangerous than America. That is a statistical reality, not a statement against Zionism or “actual kefira” or whatever. You can be upset or confused by that reality and how it doesn’t shtem with your religious beliefs, but it remains the reality nonetheless.
If you’re mad about what appears to be Chareidi Anti-Zionists running an I-told-you-so victory lap after a tragedy, then just say so. Don’t come back with weird denials of the observable metzius.
“If you believe that Jews should live in Israel, then doesn’t encouraging to leave indicate a lack of bitachon?”
To prove that you don’t even believe you’re own argument, would you suggest that Jews should move to Gaza right now in its current state? How about the parts of neighboring Islamist dictatorships that are halachically part of Eretz Yisroel? If you claim that that would be reckless and dangerous/pikuach nefesh, isn’t that also just a lack of bitachon by your shittah?
Philosopher:
Nobody is backtracking. Rashi says what he says. Get over it.
Also, if you are still aligning yourself with qwerty after having read everything he just said to ARSo then I have absolutely no sympathy for you at all anymore.
“If, however, you reject a view of someone of that stature because it makes no sense to your small brain, then you are an apikorus.
Do you agree with that?”Depends on what you mean by “reject.” I think we all come across stuff that seems like a stretch, and we use standard PC ways of reacting: “that’s very shver…” or “I’m not zocheh to understand…” If someone is new to the block and uses less refined language, I’m not sure I would want to go as far as calling him an apikorus.
“At any rate, here we are dealing with a third type of person: someone who rejects the existence of a view because they reject that view.”
Fully agree with you here. It bothered me enough to drive me back to the CR.
“Now that the (new?) mods have stopped censoring posts, his disgusting rhetoric can be seen for all.”
It’s actually very sad, especially given that the mods used to interact with us and post on their own some. It does appear at this point that they are actually gone. I hope it was by their own choice. The censorship was laxing up about a year and a half ago with all the LGBT propaganda from the YUish crowd, but if it continues on this trajectory then qwerty will be the least of our concerns…
“In the long run, competition will force Hatzalah to be at the top of their game.
In the short term, Hashem yishmor from the bad outcomes which would seem likely when there’s an inexperienced organization responding to serious medical emergencies.”
So, by your own admission, it’s shortsighted to block all competition indefinitely.“Because less experienced responders could lead to bad outcomes ch”v”
This is exactly what the pre-existing EMT services said when Hatzalah was being created. Hatzalah itself is the best piece of evidence against this argument. Aside from that, volunteer EMTs and firemen are extremely common in rural areas and they don’t “cause people to die” all the time. You seem to have a general distrust of non-government organizations and have made an exception in this davka for Hatzalah, but refuse to do so for anyone else. This is hypocritical and intellectually dishonest. Frum yidden love to talk the talk of fiscal conservatism and competition helping the consumer… until they talk about this. Then–all the sudden–any mention of free market competition and you might as well be told to go to the back of the bread line at the gulag.“Because they want people to live, not die…”
Absurd and emotionalist argument that warrants no response. This echoes what Corona fanatics said in 2020 about anyone who questioned Fauci. It’s not your business what risks other people chose to take with their lives. Nobody is stopping you from using Hatzalah if you think it’s safer.