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I don’t know the mekor of giving presents, but as a kid my parents used to give me 1 each night. It seems like it was trying to make up for not getting tons of stuff on XMAS like the other kids in my school. I still felt different though, so I don’t think it worked. Now as a BT, I don’t see the need to use presents/money to get kids excited about Channukah. There are other things to be excited for – getting off from school early for a whole week for the boys and vacation for a girls – sufganiyot, latkes and all of the other food that we usually only eat during Channukah. I stock up on the chocolate coins and we give them out after singing Maoz Tzur. Nobody wants to eat fleishigs the whole week, it’s almost like the 9 days in my house again trying to come up with milchig recipes so everybody can have the milchig chocolate at candlelighting time (no my kids don’t like the pareve ones). We usually try to take a walk on Shabbos night to see all of the houses in our neighborhood with the lights in the windows and doorways. It’s really beautiful. I also try to take my kids to the zoo on Zos Channukah since that’s the only day we don’t have to worry about what time we come home. The zoo closes at sunset, so we would have the full time available. It can be fun without presents also.
Have you asked them?
I’m not sure I understand the connection of the clarinet being more Yiddish sounding and you wanting the play the sax, but I will say that the sax is a much heavier instrument, so it would depend on your physical makeup. If you are bigger and stronger, then you could play the sax, but if you are smaller and not as strong, then I would go for the clarinet.
But still, if you’re a frum girl, why wouldn’t you want to go with a more “feminine” instrument, just to buck the system?
BTW, the viola is a string instrument just a bit bigger than the violin.
I would keep the trips small. Since you said your toddler doesn’t like outside, then I would skip the forest walk until the weather is better. For your baby, either pump a bottle or take formula with you for that “just in case” bottle (I’m assuming your baby is big enough not to have nipple confusion). As far as the actual outing, maybe go to a fun place (like the toy store or library like you said) and then get some food (if you can afford to eat the meal out fine or just a small snack or ice cream) and then home. You can even walk around the mall and window shop and play at the children’s area if your local mall has one. If you bring home books from the library, then you can read more later on after the bigger ones help clean up something specific (like their room) or they can play with the new toy that you brought home from the toy store.
You can precede the whole outing by a special Sunday breakfast. I remember my dad (who loved to putter around the kitchen) would make pancakes or waffles and eggs on Sunday mornings when he was home from work. It was our special “Sunday breakfast”.
Like someone said, your kids will be big enough before you know it and these kinds of outings won’t be so hard to plan.
While we’re discussing the middos of a boy and that it’s not mentschlich for him to make her open the door for herself, but it’s against SA for him to walk behind her, what about the girl’s middos and her adherence to S.A. I would see it as appropriate for the boy to open the door and wait for the girl to go inside and, once she does, she should move to the side of the doorway and wait for him to come in so that they could walk side by side. This is a two-way street people…
OneOfMany – Alcohol has been around since the beginning – Noach got drunk on wine, so it’s not fair to compare things that were not around at the time of the Imohos and say why didn’t they do this, that or the other. But, there are people who would say that women driving cars is unrefined (many rabbonim in EY don’t let), posting in online forums is unrefined and dangerous to your neshoma (how many rabbonim assur internet from home?), and then there’s the issue of going to school, which for girls has only existed for the last hundred years, so to what should we compare it to for the previous 5600+ years? …Nu?
My best advice is not to try to explain these very complicated issues on your own. There are many experts in kiruv out there who would be better off doing it. See if you can get this person to some kind of Arachim/Discovery program where there is trained staff who can handle these issues.
YT – I also got a good laugh out of your attempt to bring some levity to this very tough room. Unfortunately, I can’t stay to have any veal with you ‘cuz I like my coffee with milk, but please enjoy.
There are plenty of men out there who begin working after a few years of marriage. Who else are the Rebbes and mashgichim out there? It’s a pity that this man felt that he had to stoop to robbery to feed his family. He may not have developed any skills that he felt could get him a job or he just recently lost his job, but it doesn’t mean that he was educated to believe that he should NEVER go to work.
llbean – if you weren’t here during the situation, there’s no need for us to rehash it for you. Suffice it to say that someone has been unfairly accused of something and 42 is trying to make amends. Anything more is pure loshon hara.
PBA, that sounds delicious, but who is wearing the clothes – the chicken or the veges?
Another idea would be grilling chicken breasts marinated in some teriyaki or soy sauce, and serving it with baked potato or rice and a salad. Oh, grilling can be as easy as using a George Foreman device if your oven doesn’t have a grill setting.
My mother,a”h, always used to stress protein (chicken/fish/meat)
+ starch (potato/rice/bread) + vege. She always used to start out her dinners with salad so that she’d fill up on the low calorie stuff and then eat less of the other food.
ZD – I have no comment about individualism, but I will say about the rain coat you saw, which my husband and son recently bought over here in EY, that these happen to be the most practical items for protection against the rain, especially for people like my husband who doesn’t carry on Shabbos. The hood covers his hat (and they have those made to cover even a Gerrer’s spudik on Shabbos) in a way that it’s part of the coat and by thus he is not metaltel. He can’t put a bag or special plastic cover on his hat because it’s considered by some to be carrying.
As far as individualism goes, maybe they should start making them in different colors. Maybe they just started out with a limited stock manufactured and they marketed it specifically for the yeshivish circles for exactly the same reason as my husband bought it. It doesn’t necessarily make sense for them to make such things for everybody since people have different tastes.
I find it interesting that people insist on lower educational standards as a measure of happiness. I’m not expressing this well, but I think that there are two issues at hand. One is education and one is “happiness” or whatever that means to people. I think that in general we are in this world to “work” – omol. For men that would mean learning Torah/working, and for women that would be taking care of the children/house/working, etc. In order to succeed in learning/working, a person has to work hard to achieve a certain level. In many countries other than America, school hours are much longer and more rigorous. In EY, my 8yo son is in cheder from 8:30 until 5, 10yo until 5:30 and many 13-14yo boys are until 6:30 and it just gets longer after that. As far as secular education, I just read the in South Korea, school is from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. except on Sunday.
I do understand that people need down time, recreational activities, etc, to be more productive and recharge batteries, but is that the equivalent of “happiness”?
RB – Let’s use this welcoming thread to “bond” with 007.
OK, 007, how do you like yours, shaken, stirred, on the rocks, with a twist?
Welcome to the CR!
Gosh, I hate to come back in this conversation since I seem to be the one who started all this bashing, which I totally did not mean to do, but I just wanted to make a final point or two.
Health, I did not mean to attack you, but rather your idea that education or lack thereof is the reason for the high #s of home births amongst frum women. I honestly do not think that education is the issue. How many times can a woman take a class on labor and delivery, once, twice at most as a refresher. Well, just keep in mind that we go way past those #s on average in our families, b”H, and since each birth is different, it would not be possible to educate each frum (or even not frum) woman on what could happen during her labor process to ensure that she would get to the hospital on time. Lots of things can happen in the middle of a labor (which was my whole point all along) and no matter how “educated” she may or may not be, it is simply not possible to get to the hospital on time. In my situation, I was alone and without transportation other than an ambulance or taxi and I had been managing my contractions just fine up until a certain point, where things escalated in what seemed like a minute and at that point it was too late, but I couldn’t have known that in advance. Maybe if I had known than regular contractions coming every 10 minutes for a multipara would be the signal to go to the hospital, I might have gone earlier, but I’m not 100% sure.
Finally, the reason I’m not 100% sure is, as someone posted above, the high rate of excessive intervention in births of women who get to the hospital “too early”. What I mean is for that a woman who is in active labor, but not progressing rapidly, many times the doctors start doing all sorts of things to help speed things along that in many cases end up resulting in a cesarean section. I would like to know what are the rates of frum women versus non-frum women having cesarean sections in the overall population in America. I know you can’t provide these #s, but I can say that I only had 1 in my 6 births and it was for a good reason – my baby was in distress. It’s not that I wanted to have my baby at 37 weeks because I couldn’t stand being pregnant anymore (only my last baby – the ambulance one – was born less than 1 1/2 weeks after my due date). The induction rates in America are, in my opinion, horrifying, and show a general “I want it now” syndrome that we all know is prevalent in American society in general, and it is leading to a lot of unnecessary surgeries. I was managing one of my labors just fine at home and went to the hospital early on just to make sure I delivered there, and I ended up having an pleasant experience because I was forced to lie on the bed for more than 3 hours without getting up to walk around simply because I had had a cesarean before and they wanted to monitor me. I was glad for the caution, but it made things very uncomfortable, which, like I originally said, until a man personally delivers a baby, he can never understand what this feels like.
I do know another woman who had a baby on Shabbos and Hatzola came to help her in the birth. One of her friend’s husbands is a Hatzola member and he made sure other Hatzola staff helped before him so that she would not be embarrassed later on if she saw him. Having a man you know personally deliver your baby is a lot different than having him help you when you hit your head, break your arm, or suffer any other of a number of medical emergencies that need help from Hatzola.
OK, I’m finished now. On a personal note, it’s not fair to pigeon-hole people based on your perceptions of what they say in this forum. It’s not possible to convey our whole body of knowledge in one of these posts (simply for time and space for reader and writer both) and you should not assume to understand a person so well to make the assumptions that you do. I have had numerous male OB/Gyn’s over the course of my childbearing years, only taking a female when I was told that she was the best qualified doctor to handle my situation at the time. Also, here in EY, we don’t have the option unless you go private to pick the doctor who will be present at your birth. In both of my hospital births here in EY, there were numerous male doctors and also a female midwife present during my births.
Thanks everybody who stood up to defend me. I don’t think it’s necessary to continue to bash Health since he probably won’t change based on our assessments of his personality anymore than we will based on his assessments of ours. Maybe it’s best to close this thread.
I’m VERY relieved Charlie. Who knows what kind of mischief you would get into if you made things up on your own????
Charlie, I’m definitely NOT getting in an elevator with you!!!
Scissors, I was on the floor about the newspaper!!
Thanks for some great laughs!!!!
No, pba, I don’t even think she wants to date your chavrusa!
Do you wear denim even on Shabbos or for a chassanah? I would say that Shabbos clothes for a first date is the most appropriate.
netazar, it’s not as strange as you might think. I was actually in this exact same situation 30 years ago. I wanted to be a pediatrician. It’s all I talked about when I was a kid. I took every science class that I could take. I even thought about taking German just to be “prepared” for things in college. I was planning to major in biology/pre-med in a good university and go from there. I thought though that it might be a good idea to get a little experience working in a doctor’s office first before I put myself in a position where I was going to be in school/training for a minimum of 10 years before I would have a real job. It was a huge investment. Now I obviously had no previous experience in a medical office since I was only 17, but I did now how to type. Obviously it was immature and unrealistic to think that I would get “experience” in medicine by working as a secretary, but I had no other great ideas at the time.
Well, I got a job working as a transcriptionist in an office and actually continued to work in that capacity there for more than 10 years. It was pretty easy work for me and I made a decent salary. I realized that too much blood was not going to be a good idea for me, so the office management side was more practical. I went from working part-time to full-time even after I graduated from a different university with a completely different degree than I had originally envisioned myself getting. This turned out to be a pretty good choice for me at the time, boring but paid well.
Well, fast forward about 15 years after I stopped working in that medical practice due to the fact that I came to EY, studied in a BT girls school for 2 years, got married, had 6 kids and worked a different job from my house for 10 years. I got a call 1 day that my “job” was over. The company was closing the next day.
It became obvious in the next few weeks that HKBH was the one who was makdim the refuah to the makah. I was soon back working in my same medical transcription work, but now in my home in EY. My salary increased at least double over the next two years from what I had been making in my previous job and my husband and I were finally able to buy an apartment in EY. All this happened only because I had so much experience from my previous work 20 years before.
So yes, I think that getting experience in any field is a good idea. It can lead a person into a field they had no idea existed because it was more hidden than the obvious up front occupations that they saw before.
My husband tries to learn the haftarah the same way as the parsha, pama’im mikra, pa’am targum.
2cents – Please note that he started with the personal attack. I didn’t post here just to have to “prove myself”.
72 – +1 Thanks. What Health doesn’t realize, since he is not a woman, is that things can change pretty quickly and since HKBH is the one who holds the key to childbirth, it isn’t in our control, so rather than pointing fingers and degrading people, it’s better to recognize that these things just happen.
No, but the learning is very textually oriented. They do an annual spring sing that is in Ivrit by the way, but that’s not the problem.
Health, I just wanted to get back and answer your question, although I feel no need to “prove myself” that I am educated in these matters. Until you have personally birthed a baby, I wouldn’t start to give advice about who is educated and who isn’t. Standard advice is to wait until contractions are between 6-8 minutes apart. This would ideally be the time you could comfortably travel, the contractions themselves are not lasting too long that to slow down is enough to make it easier on her during an actual contraction (yes I have traveled to the hospital in a taxi in this situation as well), but they’re not so far apart that she’ll get to the hospital and find out that she’s barely started things and is either sent home or sent to walk around the neighborhood until she’s progressed enough to be admitted to the hospital.
I will say that I had been having a lot of contractions, but they were all about 10 minutes apart, not what I would consider to be a dire emergency to run to the hospital. I thought I still had at least a few hours. Suddenly, I would say in the matter of 5 minutes, I went into very strong labor and could barely move in my house and think clearly enough to deal with the situation I was in. I was actually alone at the time and was waiting for my husband to come home so that we could go to the hospital together. I ended calling for an ambulance (which I felt was preferable than delivering in a taxi if necessary). I was able to walk out to the ambulance by myself, but when they started going over speed bumps I realized I couldn’t continue and they pulled over, at which point I delivered the baby within 5 minutes, less than 1 hour from the start of what I considered hard labor. I hope I didn’t give too much detail here that this post will get mod’ed. Please edit whatever is inappropriate for a public website mods. Suffice to say, however, that a woman has to know her own body but no birth can be compared to a prior one, but usually later births are faster than previous ones, although I have known women who have had subsequent births that took twice as long if not more than previous ones. I hope this is enough of a “proof” for you.
Mazel Tov! You should be zocheh to a bayis ne’eman b’yisroel!
Well, for one thing, I think a subject like math needs a kid to do some extra exercises just to do some repetition and give the rules that they learned in school some practice. There’s no time for that during class. Other things like essays, reports and projects, while time consuming, force a kid to think on his/her own without just hearing the teacher’s voice and to create something novel, combining things learned perhaps in different subjects. Things can get boring day after day listening to the teacher’s talk.
I do agree, though, that too much homework is a problem, but it’s hard for teachers to coordinate with the whole staff who gives homework that day and who doesn’t. A little bit would not be bad, shouldn’t take more than 1/2 hour on any given day with all subjects, unless it’s a special project and then the teacher doesn’t give any other homework while they’re working on it.
I think the only time a nightgown is not tznius is when you are rolling around in bed and it hikes up during sleep. I don’t imagine that a girl’s father or brother is coming into her room to daaven or learn there, so that doesn’t seem to be the issue. But just for the sake of being tznius, it would be a good idea to put on the pants of the pajamas under the nightgown, but unfortunately things seem to have swung to the other side of the pendulum and daughters in frum families are sometimes only wearing the pajamas and the nightgown has been forgotten.
Most of E”Y does not celebrate Shushan Purim. It’s almost only Yerushalayim, although there may be another area outside that also holds Purim is on the 15th of Adar. As far as Efrat goes, I don’t think that area has Purim on the 15th. Even when I lived in Ramat Shlomo, because there was machlokes of whether we had a continuous connection to the buildings of Yerushalayim (not just seeing them), there were people who kept 2 days of Purim just because of the sofek. The same is true of Ramot. Efrat is a lot farther away, so I doubt it has Purim on the 15th unless there was some mesora about there being a wall around the city back in the times of Yehoshua.
As a woman who almost had a baby at home and had her instead in an ambulance, I will say that education about childbirth had little to do with my experience. I have plenty of lay experience with childbirth – I took a labor class and had 4 previous normal births without coming close to delivering at home as well as 1 born via a cesarean section.
My last baby decided that she had to be not only unpredictable, but in a hurry, unlike all of my other children. My labor began uneventfully and, like most women who don’t want to spend untold hours in the hospital waiting for the big event, I chose to labor at home as long as possible. I was fine until suddenly things changed and I had no way to get myself to the hospital without calling an ambulance. Actually surprisingly no Hatzola members came to my house, although I do know that 2 Rebbes in my sons’ cheder across the street are Hatzola members and came to assist at other non-childbirth related medical emergencies in my house. I had precious little time to get transportation to my house to get to the hospital and fortunately I called an ambulance because I made it less than 5 minutes away from my house before I delivered the baby almost without assistance, considering that the MDA staff who was there with me had not assisted in a birth before. Well, I guess HKBH really delivered that baby!
Toi, +10!!
ZD, At the time that R’ Gifter learned in YU, there was nowhere else to learn in the US practically. He came from a background where he went to public school and had limudei kodesh after that. This was big progress in those days because there wasn’t anything else for someone his age.
AFTER he went to YU, he went to Telshe in Europe. It is there that his philosophies were further shaped, not simply from his YU days.
Oh come on…. Is this a serious thread?
ZK, as long as they’re not on this side of the Atlantic you’re at least protected by union regulations. Over here, everybody makes up the rules as they go along. Some places are open from 9 – 9, others close at 7, some places (actually a lot) close for the traditional hafsaka (like siesta in Spain), but those hours could vary, some close from 2-5, others from 1:30-4, and any combination of times that you can dream up. And what about the stores that are only open from 8:00 – 10:00 at night?? Well, they’re more like a family business in the machsan of the building, but still… Now the killer, there are many places that close at 1 or 2 on Tuesday AND NEVER OPEN UP UNTIL WEDNESDAY MORNING!!!!! Can you believe it? Well, that might be okay for a store that is only for nonessentials (not sure what that means, but I had to think hard to come up with a neutral description), but what if it is your local MAKOLET?? I hated that when I couldn’t go to buy MILK/BREAD that I needed for the next day on Tuesday after 3:00. Yes, I know I had the rest of the morning to go take care of these things, but I work out of my house and try to do a lot when my kids are at school, plus I’m a scatterbrain and often leave these details for the last minute, but wait, we’re not in this thread to talk about me and my problems, but what are we in the CR going to do while the mods are in the CR for the Secret Mossad Agents? Do they have a smoking room over there too? Oh, smoking is bad for you, right, so no, it would have to be a….. oh, I don’t know, what kind of room do they have over there by the Mossad? Maybe we should call them and tell them to send over a few agents to clear out the secret CR so that the Mods will get back to work over here on YWM? Do you have the #? I’m afraid to make the call.
OK, great, at least I’m not blind or stupid, but then why are these posters (at least the ones who are seemingly instigating the contact) not blocked from the CR? I do see what you are trying to do, but I would also hope that behind the scenes (and maybe in front of the curtain) the person is warned to stop instigating the contact, especially since this person started this thread. Maybe this thread should be closed/deleted already just because of this. For what purpose other than finding out details about people could this have been started?
Just a ? for Jothar on this thread. I’ve stayed completely out of the whole AYC business and stuff, but this thread smells of some poster(s) trying to get personal information out of people, particularly the first 2 or 3 posts, but you comment on the thread as if nothing is wrong with it. Am I reading something here that no one else sees?
Make sure to register your card and follow the instructions. I saw that aTIME, which is an infertility resource organization for yidden is offering a way to donate $ and get it back from Amex. I’m not sure why you would want to give tzedaka to a worthwhile organization and get it back, but there are lots of companies that are online and you don’t even have to worry that they’re “open” on motzai Shabbos.
What, you mean they didn’t get up at 6 a.m. and approve all of our posts before they went to shacharis?????? Rebellion!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was under the impression that we do have a chiyuv to learn in order to be able to fulfil what we were metzuveh in. Considering that the 6 mitzvos temidios are for all yidden, then we do have a pretty big chiyuv to learn even if it’s just to understand better the mitzvah of H-Shem Echod. I’m not talking about learning gemara or the pressures girls are under to learn so much in school, but stam a woman opening a sefer, even if it’s chumash with meforshim seems a pretty basic skill that all women should be able to feel competent in. We don’t need to go back to only learning from the Tzene U’rene (sp?).
For those who think it’s a good idea for girls and boys of marriageable age to sit at a Shabbos table together to learn how to talk to members of the opposite gender, do you know anybody who would research their Shabbos guests like they do shidduchium that are redt to their children? Who knows if they are suitable. Should they find out only after their emotions get involved?
As a single girl (but much older than average) I ate at many houses when living in Yerushalayim before I got married. There were families that stopped inviting me once they had boys who were old enough that they considered it to be too big a challenge for them to be at a table with a single woman, and I was at other families that kept inviting me but had a very long table, and I sat at 1 end, with all of their unmarried girls and married daughters in between. I never really saw them during the meal, but who’s to say that they weren’t looking my way? Can’t say for sure. Not all parents want to risk it.
My husband is a Brisker – I’m on the floor….. LOL!!!
Gefen, I think you’re 100% right. AHM, I honestly don’t know what I would do if I got pregnant again (not likely at my age, but still…). And honestly, I have no idea what I will do when my daughters byz”H get pregnant. I don’t think there is ANYTHING available on either side of the ocean that is suitable for a pregnant woman who wants to be tznius to wear. Now if she still wants to be “cute and youthful” when she’s as big as a whale (sorry, don’t mean to be offensive, but I had a 10-lb plus baby so I know what it means to be BIG!!), then it’s time to rethink things.
Now, I agree with Aries, that we teach our daughters the wrong things if they think they always have to be skinny to be pretty. It’s so hard not to when that’s what everybody thinks is necessary to get married. (I have heard of some not so skinny girls getting married in Meah Shearim and those environs, but I’m no expert.) But still, I think we need to get some frum women to start designing some clothes like what I was able to buy a few years ago but have all but disappeared from the shelves and stores. I read somewhere once that the front of a pregnant woman should be covered with something “flowing” over. My daughter wants to learn sewing – she’s 15. I want to send her so she’ll know how to make tznius clothes even if she can’t find things in the stores. That may be our only answers.
Oh, just as a comment about the seeming flip-flop of non-pregnant women (even unmarried girls and young teenagers) wearing those maternity-looking tops that have the little pleats at the empire waist – my daughter wouldn’t be caught _____ in such clothes. It’s embarrassing for her when she sees unmarried girls in such clothes. And anyway, I don’t think they make those things big enough to cover a pregnant woman’s tummy in the 9th month.
RB – “Your right, ever place in the world is also hashems land, and one cannot say LH about any other land either.”
I once heard a shmuess from R’ Brevda and he said that Los Angeles is the source of all tuma in the world. Now I didn’t take offense because I am from LA and can believe every word is true, but I don’t think he felt that he couldn’t say LH about such a place.
If you say “H-Shem” just like that, then you haven’t said any kind of a brocha because we use the term “H-Shem”, which literally means “The Name” to take the place of Adon-ai in order to not say it during common conversation. It’s not like it’s an English translation. However, during a brocha, if you say it, then you haven’t said the brocha. I wouild ask a Rov how to proceed with switching from English to Hebrew on that issue, but just for a focus, what don’t you try going 1 brocha at a time to learn what it means in loshon hakodesh and switch over to it, one every few days until you’re staying all of them in loshon hakodesh.
Mods – I don’t think it’s necessary to acute each person who criticizes what happened these past weeks with AYC as being Joseph. I also feel that it was not handled in the ideal way. Privately – perhaps by sending each participant in the CR a cautionary email to their registered email – while time consuming for sure, might have been a better way to have deal with the whole issue. If Joseph is as smart as you claim him to be, I would imagine that he’s out there biding his time until our caution levels drop and we go back to our old ways of communicating with each other. The constant accusations smack of insecurity and panic to me and not as an effective warning for the people who need it. As for me, I’m a little tired of all the bickering about the whole thing.
Saw the explanation/apology from the Mods – hoping that AYC is going to come back to the CR, but I do have my doubts, after the way he’s been treated. A shame to lose such a caring member of the CR.
Better try the NY # since the Jerusalem # listed above is not correct (not enough numbers)
There used to be a siddur (don’t know if it still exists now) that had the English/Hebrew printed on the same page across from each other line by line. If I were going to have to read it in Hebrew but wanted to know what I was saying, then this would be the type of print style that would help me the most for this purpose. Who would want to read a whole page on one side and then come to the other side and try to read it now in Hebrew. I don’t know if I would remember more than a half a line by that point. In all of the BT programs that I have participated in, including Aish HaTorah and its women’s seminary, there was never any problem daavening in English. We learned the Hebrew also, but were told to understand what we were saying first. What about a person who can’t even READ Hebrew, what’s he supposed to do?
There are some good comments in this thread that was posted a few weeks ago.
Artscroll would have never published their siddurim and other sefrei kodesh with English translations (and other languages) if one could not learn/daaven in English and other languages.
Adams, I disagree about baseball. The repetitive throwing activity has caused children I am aware of to have to have surgery after repeatedly pitching multiple games for their schools, travel teams, all-star teams, etc. Doctors have to shut them down when they are 12 years old because their parents push them so hard that their elbows can’t take it. Ever heard of TENNIS ELBOW? Injuries like that are almost impossible to heal from and even surgery is not a 100% cure-all. These types of injuries occur with repetitive activities of the elbow, so not just tennis is a culprit.
But, yes, you’re right about football- totally barbaric. What about soccer? Not so simple a call, but the number of high school kids I’ve seen with injuries is appalling. People just don’t pay attention where they’re running. I could go on and on, but you get my point.