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Dear Milhouse,
Paul Broun (R-GA) was the poster boy for congressional anti-science. In general anti-science appears to be equal across all groups of people. With the current virus, it appears that Democrats are more scientific, while Republicans are more political. Which probably has to do with the current administration. [As well as the other two this century. But nobody remembers their past mistakes anymore.]All of a sudden everyone is so pro big government! Figure out your options from a medical and legal prospective, and make it work. The Governor is letting you practice as you wish. We have to work out the practical details.
Dear Milhouse,
You telling us we are lying or trolling, seems to be an admission. The passuk says it will be publicized, no more.Dear Two,
The misconduct of the FBI should not surprise anyone. Well, maybe if you have a pre-Vietnam conception of the FBI.U. S. population is about half the population of Europe. Europe totals about 175,000 deaths. The virus isn’t greener on the other side.
It seems very likely that there will be another shutdown. Wal-mart can take care of itself. For a small business owner to go off unemployment, re-open and be shut down again, is crushing. Where was everybody to protect small business the last twenty years? Every election, policy, or court ruling this century, favors the growth of big business.
Dear Syag,
Regarding number 7 a & b.
Their is reason to assume any disease is effective at spreading indoors where people congregate for hours. Remember, that a lot of the early spread was because of prayer services, e. g. South Korea. Time was of essence at that point. The research available now, points to minyanim as a great way to spread any coronavirus.
People were contacting their community leaders in a very civil manner to fix the shopping issue. They were using all their energy on the denialists, they thought the stores could work it out on their own. They eventually did. And those in denial took the minyan as the rally cry. Nobody from the religious sector was advising against hysterical shopping, we had to be told that by our secular leaders. The minyan question took up way too much energy, and it led to tragedy.Dear Som,
Do you think Trump ‘gets it’ with the pandemic? We could agree hat he is the right man for the job in general. But he seems to have not grasped that there is serious work to be done. [Or, as his biography (pre-politics) indicates, he loathes problem solving.] Again, just one question. Does he understand the nature of a pandemic? If you think he does, you may be on the wrong thread. Or hanging on by one.Dear Jersey,
We should stop playing Jew, and be Yidden. That is what Yitzy is getting at.Dear Syag,
Are you talking to me? Thousands of mourners? Hundreds of orphans? Unknown without income? Everyone missing smiling faces daily? All the children without their friends? Elderly that have not seen their descendants in two months? Many of our elder leaders passed on?Why would anyone care about that? Just give them their minyan etc. because that gives clarity and meaning to everything!
Dear Milhouse,
There is a tiny difference between fundamentalism and honesty. (Honesty is related to the truth.) Nowhere does it implicate that the idea is getting caught. You never mentioned any reason to think a king is what you claim it be. Your opinions are not bad. You made no attempt to source them, either.What is so complicated here? The U. S. has the highest numbers in hospitalizations, critical, and fatal cases. That is not good. Very, very, bad. Nobody thought that the global superpower could be hit so hard. The President should say that things are very bad, and offer hope and comfort. If he does that he seals reelection. Clearly, he is not able to relate.
Dear Milhouse,
Climate change is not a scientific discovery, it is a mathematical one. Is that what you meant? Either way, the study of it has been going on since before you were born. The more data we get, the clearer the picture becomes. It is not a pretty picture. [It does not concern me much.] Do you think the earth is cooling? Why not?Dear Milhouse,
I looked, it up. Koheles 10 20. You are incorrect. The next phrase says to not to curse the wealthy. It seems to convey that it weakens society when people belittle their leaders. All the more so in democracy. I would like one source that the ancient pharaohs were the state more than the president is.Dear Som,
I answered you clearly on this thread. You did not reply. If you prefer trashing him for making the point over contributing to the content of the point, this is not the thread for you. Trashing the questioner instead of answering him is a hallmark of our President.For a lot of individuals things will never be the same. But no one seems to care about anything besides opening the shuls.
Wear a mask.
Dear Cs,
These two together do not sit well with me.
1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.Dear Joseph,
Is this sarcasm, or making light of rhetoric?Anyways, I took the punchline to mean that, although the virus is a global issue, due to a lack [read none (HA HA isn’t that funny?)] of federal leadership it is left for the Governors to fend for themselves.Sole survivors have their family engraved. Sometimes on the back if the stone is upright.
I am unaware of the concepts of common and uncommon applying to danger. Each risk of life needs to be analyzed on it’s own terms.
People will be more careful now. Those who are sick will stay home. Will the coffee rooms be open?
@Nomesorah! The Heilege Bashefer of course!!
Dear A maamin,
Oh. I’m sorry. let me reread your post. Ummmm. No, maybe read it this way. Oh, you meant that. Nope. Still do not get. Please explain.Dear Doing,
Herd immunity is less than that. I thought kids out of school was because of a child with kidney disease got chicken pox and will never be the same. That school had enough and removed all unvaccinated students. And other large schools followed. The smaller schools did not. Large schools have the ability to deal with immunocompromised children. Small schools can deal with parents that do not vaccinate.
An eliminated disease does not come back even without herd immunity. (i. e. smallpox) Herd immunity protects us from all getting sick. Compare coronavirus where almost all the people in the same house get in once. As opposed to the flu where some get it in October, some in Dec/Jan, one in the spring, and some seem to evade it completely. There will still be small pockets until it is eliminated.Dear Shnitzel,
I was making a different poin on this thread. There is cutting edge science for the supernatural, or anything else (basic theory) that is central to any outlook. It is bad to have a closed worldview, and still disagree with everyone out there.Dear Common,
That is wonderful! You are investing a lot in my maturity. I hope it pays off. Yitzy’s time has been no less constructive. Just less tangible.Dear Sariray,
Unlike yourself, the government is trying to take everyone into account.Dear Akuperma,
Covid has shut down our gashmiyus to a great extent. What are you talking about, “not to mention suppressing Limud Torah and Shmerias Mitsvos”? For those that are not ill there is no excuse. Talking to friends and family, They are all keeping up with their learning. Why would a serious learner learn less if he has nowhere to go? People have more time now to do mitzvos, not less!!Dear Hachareidy,
A source for the first line would suffice.Dear Health,
I got it! I missed how central FOX news was to this thread.Dear Shnitzel,
Wait until climate change is documented for a hundred years. It takes time. I do not deny climate change. I drink coffee.Dear Shnitzel,
There is more to that combination, but it is better left out. Like, the example in number 3 is not accurate.Dear Yitzy,
Because we are spoiled and pampered. We never saw everyone we know having to cope at once.Dear Common,
This is an excellent time to think and rethink things…….. Too bad so many are wasting the opportunity.Dear A maamin,
So who are you a maamin in?Dear Health,
I was am aware of all that. I am confused why you think we care about the Senator. We were discussing the Doctor.I think the vaccination rates in our communities are inflated. V’hameven
Better question. If a vaccine is rushed out this year, and it is an annual shot. Would you (not high risk) take it? This is not the flu. And even people who get a DTaP skip the flu shot.
Dear Common,
I posed the question about davening at home, and was told Kol Hakovod! The Rosh Yeshivos and Rabbonim who have very busy schedules daven in private often. Those that deem it a serious risk will still daven at home. There is not much to say. Many shuls are not as beneficial as they should be. But what is there to do? Maybe we could daven.Dear The,
I used google. Hmmmm. Some of these studies do not even exist. The first one you listed is dated on other boards as taking place in 2020. Why did you leave that out?
Last year, during the measles (The disease that kills 100,000 children a year.) I was in Lakewood. I overheard a yungerman who had conducted his own study: Unvaccinated children have autistic parents.It seems that poorer countries have better numbers than wealthier countries.
My siblings in EY told me, that people there cooperate because there is a greater sense of responsibility. When the one who are at risk are your brothers, you are happy to stay inside.
Dear Health,
Huh? Who is threatening to rule over you?You asked to change the topic, to Mr. Biden. What are you pushing on others? I lost you on why any of this should matter. {Unless universalism is very important to you.} Liberalism has very little to gain from political office. Society changes politics. Not the other way around.Dear Bk,
This thread was not started by the left/media at large. The point of the thread was never clarified. I think it was leadership, not politics. How is there a double standard in this post?Dear Milhouse,
So a king is a ruler who cannot be legally deposed. That is your opinion. I do not see it. Definitely not compatible with TaNaCh.I did not look up the passuk. I recall something to the effect of your words becoming public without mention of danger. Maybe that was Koheles. Okay, I will check it up.
Still why do you insist it is not dangerous? There is a whole thread discussing if someone was illegally in peril because of his place in Washington politics. (Or something like that. It is not my type of game.) Also, why does the danger have to come from the Government? Why can’t some radicals (namely me) act on their own, because of what they read online?
Come on everybody!
We could discuss each Governor’s policy. We cannot discuss the President’s. Because there is none. He keeps moving on to something else. Bush had his popularity soar (like 85%) after 9/11. Trump wasted an easy chance to win reelection in a landslide. He never acts like a leader. That may be a good thing. But people get frustrated by a lack of leadership during a crisis. This is not about policy or politics. Leave Coumo out. He is leading 5 states right now. Trump is leading 0. I am not saying Coumo is better for it, put it does seem like the President does not get it. [If he does, it is a golden opportunity for him.] Please try to understand the point before making it political.Dear Common,
We will never get the chance to ask our Rabbonim if we SHOULD daven alone, or together.Dear Silent,
Left wing modern orthodoxy is also mainstream. Otherwise, remove the wing. Radical left modern orthodoxy is not mainstream. Radical means extreme.Dear Hachareidy,
Why is this a reason to be silent? It is probably worth repeating.We should redefine this thread. Lack of empathy? Self absorbed? Lack of leadership? Out of touch? Ignoring facts? Head in the sand?Maybe a fool? Ostrich politics? Avoidable deaths? Not a king? Best president ever?
It would be a waste to have such a varied conversation without a good heading.
Dear Health,
Okay, but your (mine and anyone else’s too) idea of established values is a minority in every aspect, when compared to politics or society at large. Why would you care if Mr. Biden or President Trump line up with your values, your still the same one opinion?
Not okay. This definition is based on allowing societies to develop their traditions according to their own beliefs. Therefore, Conservatism is far, far more introverted than extroverted.
Same idea, different phrase. Why should someone from a different society believe in these values?Dear Som,
Reb Eliezer is confused why the President is denying the reality of the pandemic. He did not give specifics. (He does not have to. My hangnail is not a pandemic.) Maybe he does not accept that the President can still be putting his self interest before the country’s. Either way, it is not good leadership.