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Dear Milhouse,
“Which makes them enemies of all civilization, who need to be exterminated.”
1) But you would not abort them as a fetus, even if Jewish mothers would be saved.
2) Many civilizations had no concept of private property.
3) The quote from Sanders about the ‘looting of America’ is very much in support of private property.
4) It would very much bolster your argument, if you can kindly provide one open supporter of those who are looting and rioting.Dear Two,
Just a disclaimer. I do not have an opinion about this. If there will be serious positive change, there has to be a steady hand on the wheel for several years. That is not happening anywhere, and it is the source of most of our political problems. Yet, our justice system is not efficient, and not because of lack of funds.
a. It is a movement in public spending, to spend less on the justice systems and more on social programs.
b. Maybe the opposite. If police only focus on law enforcement and if there would be greater cooperation with communities, our cities should be safer.
c. There is no reason why looting or rioting is tolerated. Mayors of cities has become a precocious position. And many of them are cowards or clowns.
d. The Governors are trying to do what will work to end the protests peacefully, and the pandemic safely. The conflict of interest is intrinsic. It is terrible optics for a governor to go to a protest. But still, neither crisis is in the hands of the Governor. Riot control is best done on a local level. (Community police. Reinforcements as needed.) Police policy is local government, or state legislature. When the pandemic ends, is not a political question. (Though it is great for bad journalism if we think it is.) Not much the Governors can do, other than talk.
e. I do not follow politicians much. Whom are you referring to? and, what did they say?
f. La-la land is where everything is always good even when danger is obvious. reverse la-la land is when everything is scary, even things that could be helpful.
I really liked the way you worded you post! I am not picking a side on this one. No need for the aggression. If I make up my mind then everyone can do their best to change it.Dear Syag,
This conversation is about what this policy change would look like. It is about something that could happen in the future. I am just gathering information from these movements and posting it hear. There is zero purpose to take a mayday stance about defunding the police. It goes together with investing in safer communities. I am convinced that reality takes place as we write. If you differ on that, kindly do not respond.Dear Jackk,
I am turning down your invitation. FOX and CBS seem to be only interested in what version their viewers want to see. Incidentally, they have had the biggest personal scandals at the top. The best practice there is for spinning reality…………..Dear One,
If this is your take of reality, who are your canidates? Mickey MouseUnbelieveable how many people around the country are scaring themselves about a concept they never heard of before last week. On top of that, they refuse to find out about what it really means. Nobody is advocating for cities to be less safe. No reason to live in a reverse la-la land.
Dear Ed,
The conservatives have put themselves out of business long ago. Exhibit A: Our President. Exhibit B: Your post.DRAMATIC ARREST: Man With Knife Tries To Stab Mekubal HaRav David Abuchatzeira in Nahariya
Dear Health,
This is exceptionally convoluted! I said the issue is humanity. (Not just race.) You asked if I protested. I didn’t as humanity consist of different groups. (And different responses.) I added that it is understood that someone else’s dignity is our dignity. I noted one liberal exception. You brought up the beliefs of the looters and their supporters. (I do not believe it. It is Satanism.) My response was that people do not steal out of belief. I asked who is supporting them. You pointed to a tweet from Sanders. Then, “commie + worse than that = doesn’t believe in rule of law”.
I would guess you believe in rule of law. That would require a broad foundation of what being human entails. Which requires upholding human dignity as it’s cornerstone. So, we agree on the first part, Yet, you seem to think everyone else’s standard of dignity is relevant. (The looters beliefs.) I do not. We disagree.
Then, you point out support for their belief. (He did not condone theft. If he could speak coherently, maybe he could be a politician.) I’m not sure what you mean when you say someone who wants the government to regulate everything, does not believe in rule of law.Dear Joseph,
Also, arrest every person driving 5 miles over the limit. Or without a seatbelt. Tylenol in a drug free zone. Marijuana anywhere. Jay walking. Loitering. Spitting.
Or, we could do better with our resources.Dear Chash,
Every time I checked, spreading through touch was prefaced by “(it) may be possible”. The only significant change I’ve seen, is social distancing seems to be the most important measure now. This is because it is here and the goal is to the stop the spread. The CDC still advises against masks as a means to protect yourself. Masks are recommended to prevent spreading it to others.Dear Joseph,
No! Asymptomatic means symptoms never develop. Most of the spread is still understood to be from patients who will have symptoms, but are not yet noticeably ill. This is what I mean. While this is a useful news item, it has no bearing on public health policy.Dear Chash,
Don’t look at me, just saying what it means. Domestic violence does not only refer to active aggression. What is your issue with private security firms? They are used everywhere, and are trained and armed specifically for each task.Dear Common,
Unfortunately, this is not a new low. As we disagreed about elsewhere, people are scared and reactionary about current events.I think there is a big mistake here. If a young person has a fair question or grievance against their community, it is very emotional. If they grow up and get married because it helps the emotional part, it could all come crashing down when they realize that everyone is avoiding the question or complaint. A lot of people who are disconnected from the community due to obvious emotional difficulties, actually have piercing questions underneath all their baggage. If they did not have a serious problem with being Jewish, they would find another community to accept them. May Hashem guide us to ultimate joyfulness.
Dear Thelittle,
I fully agree with you about not ruining a good thread. The pro/anti Trump debate does not seem like an emotional one to me. It looks like a clash between focused politics versus intertwined politics. What about is more emotional than, say vaccines?Dear Two,
Your first sentence is unclear to me. Legislators are not scientists. Their work is reactionary and not one bit empirical. We did not have to give up any of our liberties because of the Government. This is not China. Protesters were not given any access to elective health care. Nor, where any businesses allowed to open to assist the protests. This seems to be a game of make believe victim.Dear Akuperma,
Yes. Maybe a little. Not at all. Did I miss or mess your point?Dear Yochy,
You can have any stereotype about me you want. I will not bend a millimeter. Bend yourself.Dear Curiosity,
The four things you mentioned are not opinions. They are not facts either. It is how you relate to ideas/concepts/movements/fact. That is called feelings. The case can be made, that is a truer sense of self, and more applicable to social problems. Still, it is not the truth of itself.Dear Shnitzel,
So maybe if you are applying for a manly job, but Bigot on the resume. For other jobs, use Baguette. It seems like there is no empirical date, as the question would not have an empirical solution. There is enough applicable data on police aggression. The Government (for some reason) does not have a public database on this issue.Dear Lower,
I keep hearing this, but every time I check the CDC website things are the same. People hear things on differently on the news, but it is just slanted journalism. Originally the CDC stated that face masks will not prevent you from getting coronavirus. That is still true. Therefore they recommended not wearing one to avoid a false sense of security. Once the pandemic was here, face masks were promoted as a means of slowing down transmission. Though social distancing is considered more efficient than masks. There is no solid study on davening inside, but it does not seem to be simple to achieve a “safe” shul.“Defund the Police” and “police abolition” does not mean get rid of law enforcement. It means that police officers should only focus on policing. Not drug overdoses, that for an EMT. Attempted suicide? Mental breakdown? Schizophrenic hallucinations? Mental health professional. Family skirmish? Domestic violence? Abuse? Trained therapist. Crowd control can be done with private security firms. Many police veterans are for it. Like everything else in this country, the unions (and insurance) get in the way.
Dear Common,
New Zealand claims zero cases. Yemen has about 500 documented cases, and more like 50,000 infected.Dear Two,
Please name a scientist. [Look at what they actually said. If you meant journalists, I agree. A lot of reckless reporting these days.]Dear Joseph,
Being that your America consists of the frum communities of the tri-state area, you are correct.Dear Curiosity,
Thank you for telling us only feeling matter, before stating your feelings.Dear Milhouse,
1)Killing a nochri is punishable just like killing without witnesses. Abortion is never mentioned as given to Yidden to mete out justice.
2)What about saving the mother’s health? Or an unknown risk? Does the Mother’s abilities and opinion play a role?
3)”Those few deaths” Living Yidden versus un-born Nochrim. Really?!? Even if you meant something else, ??? .????? ??? ???? ???
4)Even if you are correct on the whole topic, why does it matter if I am running as a Republican or Democrat? Do you consider this the central cause of Judaism?Dear 2scents,
You are conflating legislation and leadership. If you do not like the result, separate the two and follow your leader. I see nothing to complain about.Woops wrong thread.
Mosquito born diseases are not difficult to contain. All it takes is quick implementation of policy and Federal oversight. Like the Zika outbreak in 2015. Wooops! It is not 2015 anymore. Never mind. Destroy all mosquitos. Make America Great Again.
Dear Milhouse,
Representation may have been the reason for the census, but it is not so reliant on it anymore. (The process has become corrupted.) The census is used to determine State budgets and Federal projects. It affects your community’s education and transportation dollars. And so on.Dear Milhouse,
We seem to be on the same page here. The Jews lost their royal positions and were expelled from Krakow in the 15th century. The Warsaw blood libel in the 17th. As well as the Frankists. But compared to Europe at large, this is hardly significant.Dear Shnitzel,
There are several databases on misconduct by police officers. What do you want to study? There are a lot of social problems intertwined. The causes could be confused with the results. Is poverty a cause of lack of education, or the other way around? (Really old question.) If your resume shows the most potential and you do not get a call because of your name, that shows a bias. Still, do not put Bigot as your name on a resume.Dear Syag,
I agreed with your take on not silencing anyone here. I was pointing out that Doing was saying to ignore the basis for Health’s opinion as opposed to the extreme opinion. People do not always share the real reasons for their opinions.I just found online that Lakewood is averaging ten cases a day.
Dear Milhouse,
“Very little if any antisemitism” I guess you mean state sponsored. Among the general populace and especially from some of the priests, there was a lot of agitation.
Around 1900 the Jews in Poland splintered. And fought bitterly over political approval. The Jews inclusion in the parliament did not endear them to the common Pole. There is a lesson somewhere……….Dear Milhouse,
Not sure what you are talking about. There is a lot of debate in the democratic party. The Republicans shunned Jeff Flake for sticking to the party line and not embracing the President. Mitt Romney is next.Dear Syag,
Health has been backed into a corner that defies logic, (self-contradiction) yet he insists on maintaining his position. We could discus the extreme position, but his take on the facts; that is beyond reason. Also, nobody is obligated to bring facts to an online forum. There is only so much that a faceless dialog can hold. For example, I can have good reason to think that the video is fake. But am unable to say why in public.1) Jews are not being counted separately in the census. No problem here.
2) The siyum hashas was an estimation. No problem there.
3) What part of coronavirus was right after the siyum hashas?
4) This kind of thinking just for the purpose of defying Agudah (or the government) is a problem.Dear Health,
It is intrinsic that looters are not engaging their moral compass. I am unaware of any supporters. Kindly point them out to me. If you are supporting them based on the aforementioned liberal ideas, kindly do not respond.“I do not think” is a loaded statement for any philosopher. Here is how it would play out in the hypothesis of determining who is thinking. [The joke is the same.]
Descartes: So what ascertains your existence?
Nietzsche: You being yourself remains undetermined.Dear Health,
No, I did not. That is the point. There are different ways to react. All agree that dignity is the underpinning of society. Disregard others dignity and risk all kind of societal ills. We can bow our heads, and pour our hearts to Hashem. We do not have to protest. But we must acknowledge that every human deserves to be treated with respect.P. S. There is an EXTREME liberal school of thought that humans have no right to dignity. That all of civilization was built despite human dignity. And, if humans would behave like animals we would be far more advanced. If you subscribe to this school, I did not intend to engage you.
Dear Syag,
Yeah. Way too much drama. I think we morally agree. Everyone reacts differently. The drama is to clarify the point of the dialogue. We could disagree on a lot of the other factors.I was looking at the federal outlines on reopening the country. There is no federal plan for testing. A lot of this thread (As well as another one.) is debating the President’s response to the pandemic. It is clear that he just wants it to go away. He is not a leader.
He was a human being. Just like me and you. The police did not respect him as one. It is an assault on the concept of humanity. Stand with people, or with the Satan. No reason to complicate the issue.
Dear Azoi,
Stack spell.The core issue is human dignity. The lack of it, is the root cause for both of these issues.
Dear Health,
You asked what is the Torah law about an intruder. You got a straight answer and walked away from it. What is the overall basis for your point? Are you claiming it is impossible that Floyd was murdered by the Officer?Davening maariv before shkia and supper, is better than after both.