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Dear Joseph,
1 See above #1876354
1a I do not know a practical application. Same
1b There is no reason to assume the Mishna or the SA have a practical application in mind. It is teaching concepts and principles. Not fundamentalist rituals. #1876721
1c It is possible that before industrialism, to rescue a life required setting out to fetch help. Which would entail a decision of whom to get and who to treat. Which is similar to what I made up in #1876356
2 #1876757Dear Syag,
I agree with you about getting out. People should get out now. Especially if we have another shut down later in the year. I side with the OP that the community fighting for camp seems out of place.
Empathy and mourning. Make it seem like it was a big deal, even if you made the best of it. Some yidden got the worst of it.Dear Joseph,
I know of no source that we are supposed to enforce the Sheva Mitzvos. If we would be running the government, then we would be required to uphold whatever is the social contract over the non-jewish poulation also.Dear Common,
A million percent. If I could add, I did not know about these people until adolescence. It is weird to hear ten a year-old in cheder having ‘frum’ opinions about these things. I do not think it is good for our communal morality.Dear Joseph,
You cannot pas over a Jewish life for any mitzvah including saving someone else’s life. [Saving your own life is discussed in BM 58] Therefore when you have a group of people in a life threatening situation you are required to save the first one you come across. You cannot push away (or pass over) one life for another. And for sure you cannot start inquiring is there a Kohen here? Ein kan kohen. Yaamod…………Dear Luna,
Maybe. The CDC put up guidelines for camps a month ago.Dear Meir,
The crisis has abated for the moment. We took a big hit. Do not pretend that everything is normal. Lack of coronavirus was never an indicator of communal strength or happiness.Dear Mkylb,
I agree. The optics are terrible. I do not think our community is cognizant of our appearance.Dear Lower,
Agreed. We are not in crisis mode. We should be in empathy and mourning mode.Dear Syag,
I fully understand that the great majority of a household with confirmed cases were most probably infected. But even if we assume the real number is 15 times the amount of positive tests, that only equals to at most a third of the population. Which means that we are have twice as many vulnerable people as the total of the first wave.
in short –This ‘everybody got it already’ is untrue and scientifically fantastic. Disease does not work like a machine. It has to be continually suppressed until it is eliminated. Additionally, the math does not add up to the majority of the population anywhere. Not even close.Dear Someone,
Thank you! But that does not tell us about the property owners (assuming there will be any) at that time. If they will be paid from some fund, then it is a worthwhile investment.
Why do you assume that there is no prophecy today? And why would one prophet be interpreting Yechezkel? Would that not be his own prophetic understanding?Dear Joseph,
Yes! Which is why the SA went from a handbook to 25 volumes. With countless additional writings and notations. By the Titanic, you would have been obligated to take the closest person and put them in the boat first. Regardless of gender. Please find a case more likely than the one I gave you.Dear Syag,
Referring to?Dear Joseph,
Proper. What does that mean? Not every case is the same. I was in a car that the was let go. Above you wrote that the Officer chased him so he would not have to use a ‘deadly weapon’. Unless that meant the taser. Which leaves an Officer chasing an armed suspect who just shook him like dust to tell him nicely that he is under arrest. Maybe you think we need more cops like this. To me , it is clear that he has no clue how to actually fight crime.Dear Health,
Watts, just one city of many. Besides for being the symbol of the race riots of sixties. I do not know any cities that the National Guard stopped the riots ‘real quick’. If i find one or three, I will let you know.Dear Health,
My point was written about your point, not about your implications. It was pointing out that what you though RebE implied was implicitly against his point. If you would have followed his point, you would not have challenged what he implied. therefore, it was pointless of me to counter your point with my point, as you pointed to my implication instead. I apologize for not clarify any implications. I just wanted to avoid tiresome redundancies.Dear Syag,
I read somewhere that he was trying to complete parole. It follows there could not have been a warrant for his arrest……Dear Health,
It seems like you think the role of law enforcement is to nit pick every infraction until everyone is registered in the criminal databases. It follows, that the Police should be trained to arrest as many violators as possible, so they can appear before a judge. Therefore, cops should not waste their time gathering evidence and doing surveillance to arrest hardened and vicious criminals. They should be out on the streets finding people who would not resist, and cite them for blocking their own driveway or spitting in public. A lot of rookie cops agree with you. Every Police veteran that is not a union prop, despises you.
There is no requirement to arrest people who have driven drunk, and are sleeping it off in the car. Happens all the time. I trust the opinions of the CR participants more than what Hollywood thinks is good TV. I looked it up. There is no way you could arrest someone to see if they committed a crime. Gray area here. But if he would have woken him up and just cuffed him right away, the by standers would have started a riot on the spot. [Except that the Officer would have been thrown fifteen feet by Mr. Brooks. Did you really not notice how big he was?]Dear Joseph,
Once the person is safely off the road, (i. e. he was not pulled over) the Police can let him go. Happens all the time. In this case, they do not even know if he drove impaired. Besides for the cop telling him to move the car.The Officers chose to arrest him, and they have to live with their choice. He chose to resist and he died for it.
A taser is not a deadly weapon. You wrote that above. When Police hold it, it is non-lethal. When used against Police, it is deadly. Well, I could sort of agree considering these two cops bumbled for the greater part of an hour over how to get a drunk out of the way. I wouldn’t let them touch my water gun.
Dear Yserbius,
I am not sure what your associates are doing. But I have met kofrim that are otherwise very observant Yidden.Dear Ben,
To summarize your point. ‘We have to politically oppose those that have radically different ideas and cultures than us, because it will affect how we raise our families, the curriculum, and the morality of our surroundings.’
And to quote, “This political opposition is trying to force (REALLY?!?) us to acknowledge as equal and just things that are anti-Torah.”
I consider this faux piety. If political entities in this country can affect our steadfast hold to our own religious values, we need to reexamine our commitment or our value system. For if such trivial things are weakening our grasp of the Truth, then we are not really holding on.Dear Lower,
This is basic shmiras hanefesh. I could look into it, if you want sources. But I am surprised that it could be controversial. Anybody else thought I over stated the truth?Dear Health,
The cop did not move on. he decided to arrest him. A breathalizer is not an investigation. He took one. Tell him he cannot drive home, he should call someone to pick him up. You would think the police have more to do than deal with a drunk. Did you see how easily he schooled two officers while he was on his stomach with one hand holding the taser? One cop couldn’t have cuffed him in his sleep. Besides, could you cuff someone just to detain them?Dear Joseph,
Absolutely correct. But the concepts of the sugya do not play out that way in real life. Practically speaking, it is likely that a man will die while we are saving a woman in accordance with halachic precedence. For the reverse to actually occur, is far less likely.Dear Haimy,
ARtscroll and Mesivta do not fill in the blanks. They are doing something else. Gemara can be learned effectively without Rashi. You need to decide what are you focusing on. The Gemara itself? Or only as a stepping stone to everything that was written after?Dear Som,
This law puts the obligations of society back on these people. They cannot do whatever they want and claim ‘I identify like this’ or ‘I was made this way’. Anything that a man and a woman would get fired for, they could also be. This should be precedent for many bizarre legal battles that are coming out. A cornerstone of normalcy was finally set down. Be happy about it. I think one day it will overturn same ex marriage.Dear Ration,
Correction. Satmar’s opinion is based the three oaths. Not the other way around. Actually, this was the chiddush of the Minchas Elazer zy”a. We say Satmar, because of a notable disciple of the MNE went on to demonstrate the the Holocaust was enough of a reason to change his opinion.Dear By,
“Truly hopeless” or “too good to leave”? Make up your mind (once, not twice).Dear Som,
Do you agree that this is not a major issue for our community? About the transgender employee for the religious institution. Scenario one. Competent janitor. A lot of the janitors in yeshivos today, are odd characters. One yeshiva used do have a janitor that was a former priest who had jail time for murder! Scenario two. Competent maggid shuir. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. If all our mosdos would do serious background checks for all employees, we would avoid these issues. And some other ones.Dear Health,
You claimed that they brought in the National Guard and ‘it stopped real quick’. I already pointed out, that kent State galvanized the anti-war movement. You said we should discuss the race riots. well here goes…….1964 Harlem Three days of rioting. National Guard was not called in.
1965 Watts Six days of rioting. National Guard was called, and turned it into a war zone. Martial law. Absolute curfew. Snipers. It took a month.
1967 Detroit Around 100,000 members of the National Guard. Made it worse. Lost control of the city. LBJ sent the Army.I am not sure what you want to say about the Sixties. But whatever it is, it seems to be a small part of the historical record.
Dear Health,
He thoroughly answered your question. If you want a specific statement, you can post it yourself. But, I can give you a statement. The FBI was in charge then.Dear Two,
Why are there close to zero new cases? We closed down so much for so long, that when we reopened there where very few active cases. (Let’s guess that we were about the same as March 1st.) Nothing like Purim is happening now. Additionally, BMG and other super spreaders are nowhere near their usual numbers. Schools have been open for about two weeks on average. Many at risk people are still staying home. Some low risk people are distancing and wearing masks. It took three weeks for the numbers to be noticeable. And another three weeks of mounting cases to really make people aware of the magnitude of the pandemic. Six weeks ago was lag baomer. While we are not holding our breath, this is not ‘proof’ to not wear masks. As far as I understood the CDC, masks are not going to solve everything. It will help slow the spread.The other discussion of Black versus White in this country.
Many people who live in inner cities, are not interested in owning a house in the suburbs. They enjoy being in an apartment building with hundreds of people. They find personal life boring (or painful, depressing). They are just fine making a few dollars and enjoying life. White people can do this without any fear. Black people have a lot of challenges. The system that built America into a superpower, does not require every american to partake in the economy. A person can dedicate his life to whatever goal he wants, and there is enough wealth (and debt) in this country to cover for him. [For example, long term kollel.] Alternatively, one can ‘float’ around, and survive of the american bounty. For Black Americans, floating around the country before WWII was suicidal. [Blacks stayed in their suburbs and then migrated to the cities.] They never learned how to use the system. (Even when they where included in all the benefits of American Government.] Today, a white person showing up in a random neighborhood does not arouse suspicion. A black person does. Black people did not have whom to contact when they where wrongfully accused. Blacks have major issues with being arrested for petty crimes, and living their life in and out of Jail, bail, and no trial. But the main point is, that inner city black neighborhoods, have life values that are incomprehensible to their respective city councils. They face biases that are not founded in reality. Not only are they deemed a threat because of their size and demeanor, the hardened black criminals escape detection. Because all they have to do is avoid a certain stereotype, and the Police won’t even notice them. And you end up with a bunch of regular black kids being charged for the same black sociopath’s (or sycophant) crimes. And, there was no way for them to clear their record. In sum every Black person without a steady job is assumed to be involved in criminal activity, Imagine if that was applied to Lakewood!
There are two separate discussions about Black versus White inequality in this country.
Most of the conversation on this site, deal with ‘living the american dream’. While Blacks today still face a serious task for upward social success, so does everyone else. It can be argued that Blacks face more difficulties than Whites. But it can easily be countered, that every successful group in this country, had to overcome formidable challenges to get where they are today. There is a tangent here, about bias against successful people because of the communities they come from. As affirmative action grew, this topic has become more convoluted. There is no easy understanding, it is complicated. We cannot go back and clarify all the causes of Black/White inequalities since emancipation. We cannot deny them either. It is a stalled debate.
There are many different takes on how to restart the debate, without going back to slavery. Here is one that I remember from a black activist in the seventies. ‘America has served as a melting pot for every race. For centuries, Blacks were denied entry into american society. Blacks were also denied the ability to form their own society. Americans have to decide, should Blacks melt into America, or compete with it?’ This is very debatable.Addendum – If somewhere of to your left a man is calling for help, and somewhere to the a woman is calling for help, what do we do?
If we know they are both drowning we go to the left. Not a practical case. And as a matter of fact, neither case happened to me. Never heard of it actually happening to anyone. I made them up,Dear Joseph,
I do not want to burst your bubble, but there is practically no scenario (Besides for one example explicitly mentioned in the Mishna.) where you let the woman die to save the man. Car accident? Go to the one who took the biggest hit first. Drowning? Closest to the rescuer. Fire? Closest to the rescuer. One dose of medicine? See above. Hospital? Whoever was admitted first. Captive? Redeem the woman first. Death row? See above. Stuck in a foreign country? See above. Shelter? From a riot: Woman first. Starvation: Same. Poverty: Same. Cold: Whoever comes first. Heat: Same.
The man comes first when it comes to giving him a job, lending money, charity, returning a lost article, et cetera… If the woman actually dies because you gave the man some money, I would be suspicious of your over zealousness………..Dear Syag,
The fear is the opposite. That half of those that were not infected in the first wave, would be infected in the second wave. Which is a humongous number.Dear Joseph,
“The original Jewish property owners will reclaim all the property that was stolen from them by the Romans and all the other gentiles that seized Jewish property in Eretz Yisroel over the last two thousand years.”WHAT?!?
Do you have a source for this? There is a whole sugya (Gittin 58) about how to buy land from the Romans in regard to the original owners. Besides, land conquered in war was universally considered legally acquired, until recently. ‘Occupied territory’ was at the discretion of the occupier. (Not sure when. 1948 UN? Maybe somebody here knows.) As far as I know, the halachah has not pivoted on this, and conquered property is legally owned. And, who are the original Jewish property owners? How would they prove it was theirs? According to your fiction, the land could belong to the Jews who were conquered by Sancheriev or Nebuchadnetzer. Or, perhaps even earlier conquests.
Maybe you meant something else.Back to the OP.
‘So the media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing we make ourselves look bad.’ May 6
“Don’t forget, we have more cases than anyone in the world, but why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.” May 14
“If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” May 15
“You know, testing is a double-edged sword. We’ve tested now 25 million people. It’s probably 20 million people more than anybody else. German’s done a lot. South Korea’s done a lot. They called me, they said the job you’re doing (trails off). Here’s the bad part. When you’re testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’” June 20
Dear Health,
“DID NOT press charges against Biden” and “he resolved all his issues w/o a Court Case” seem inconsistent.Dear Health,
My point was that we have no first hand or readily available evidence that Mr. Biden is guilty. You could think whatever you want, but RE is not obligated to have an opinion. Especially when he is saying ‘as far as I know’.Dear Shnitzel,
Do you think our community would be more centralized for it?Dear Shnitzel,
We could go back and forth. I want to try to play out your idea instead. So, we have the candidates appealing to the community, perhaps an independent community panel that educates and provides access to the politicians. Larger families that are struggling with budgets, will vote for school vouchers and lower property taxes. Older voters would want quieter communities with services for the homebound. Legalizing marijuana and lower driving ages will be controversial. And, the doofus candidate who hollers about some toievah will have access to all the yungerleit who normally do not follow politics. (Which is possibly Lakewood’s biggest bloc.) And then will come the government conspiracy candidate. And then…..Dear Shnitzel,
Your make an intelligent argument. However, (1) if the askanim to not get what they want from the politician for the community, (But they do get a pot of cash.) than there is a serious failure of leadership in that community. If they do get what they want for the community, yet the focus is on the corrupt deal, something is wrong with the whole community structure. (2) Most of America just votes for whomever. Based on party, race, media coverage, or some meaningless opinion. (3) If Yidden would care less about politics, they would just vote accordingly and move on. Then, other than political insiders nobody would know that the Jews are swinging the vote. It used to be like this in Lakewood. (They resorted to accusing the askonim of bribing voters.)
Elections in the USA are not the same as in an Italian city-state. Elections do not mean much to the social contract of everyday Americans. The political bureaucracy pays significant attention to who votes and especially to larger blocs. While I have full faith in you to vote intelligently, any politician that has been at it a few years can make some religious statements and hoodwink a bunch of Frum voters. (What went on in Lakewood when I was there.)Dear Health,
What you choose to believe, is not someone else’s (fact-based) knowledge.Dear Som,
That is an impressive list! Most Trump supporters cannot list more than 2 or 3 items. (Still, for those that check these things, Trump has lied more than any american politician ever.)Dear Coffee,
I agree that it should be that way. The basis for impeaching the 42nd president was that Americans look up to the President as a venerated symbol of America and Freedom. In Europe, the president could be less glorified than the vice president.Dear Grand,
Biden who is as bland as wallpaper, a militant punk rock leftist? Do you know how old Mr. Biden is? Or have you confused antifa with an organized political group?Dear Ben,
Trump’s ethical standards in all areas, is much lower than Mr. Clinton’s. Mrs. Clinton may put up a contest in one or two areas. Mr. Trump’s story of success has been divided between, Times Square, Palm Beach, and Hollywood. t would take tremendous duplicity for a career politician to live such a lifestyle. Mr. Clinton could not host those depraved parties while meeting with the press to make believe that every american would become rich.
You can support Trump. I can give solid reasons if you cannot figure out your own. But please do not make his moral disregard into a virtue. His lifestyle is completely abhorrent.Dear Common,
Pick a number from one to ten. We seem to tangle more when we agree.