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Dear Lander,
A lot of this thread is a confusion between the two. What about hugging a scared four year old?Dear Shnitzel,
Hilchos Shechaynim is predicated on being able to have some dialog with your neighbors. You could take money from someone to pay for your damages. There is no payment for making to much noise etc. Therefore, the first enforcement is being able to negotiate terms.The main concepts of these sugyos are that the physical effects of my property cannot extend into your property, but my nonpossessory extends to your property as much as it is a right and not a monetary benefit. Subsequently it is very dependent on the norms of the neighborhood in question.
In regards to a shul or beis medrash, one can object to using the house they live in. If it is in a different house, even on the same property one cannot oppose it. NIMBY does not apply to shuls and schools. However, if someone is using this halacha to exploit the neighbors, the Rav is required to stop them.
Dear Shnitzel,
‘Describe’ as ‘rasha’. It would depend on the nature of the dispute. If the community is unified and he is dissenting, I would consider it. But, if it is only some of community with others dissenting (and he is fighting for them) he may be a tzaddik. (Or a troublemaker.)Dear Waiting,
Great idea!Dear Grateful,
The Torah defines and redefines our activities ad infinitum. What seems like a universal halachah to the everyday Talmid Chohom, is actually a panorama of responses for a Master of Shas. This is demonstrated through the biographies of Reb Chaim Brisker and Rav Meir Shapiro. Even though they were fundamentally meticulous with themselves, they were extremely patient and caring with the well being of others. To an extant that seemed to go against halachah in the eyes of the simple folk. To reach that point of erudition in Shas, requires one to drop their own preconceived notions even in regards to themselves.Dear Opinionated,
What is worse; giving a bochur unfiltered internet, or giving him filtered internet that he will get around easily without you ever knowing about it?Dear By,
You understand that the Democratic party ruled the south for most of it’s existence.
If you divide groups of people along any ideological line, it is easy to accuse them of whatever you want in the name of disagreement. View them as individual humans with singular actions and see if your line of reasoning holds up.Dear Syag,
I do not follow your critique. I said that most people are fine with how yeshiva bochurim dress. It is not a big deal. Also , see my reply to the OP above. #1877655I heard directly from one Rosh Yeshivah (He was as highly regarded as a yeshivshe daas torah as one can be.) that there is no reason to where a white shirt or a black hat. [Of course he expected his talmidim to wear them.]
This conversation is a lot of different discussions.
1) When Doing starts these threads, it is to see how open we are to various ideas. Sort of an anti extremist exercise. Hammering in a point misses the OP. So if you are trying to do just that, direct it to someone else.
2) As a Yid, I am not into any statues. Let Mount Rushmore be destroyed in a mudslide.
3) There are more productive methods than pulling down statues. And it does not need to be stated that it is owned property. Everybody knows that. Maybe they should build a statue to the sacredness of ownership and possession.
4) Most of those pulling down statues are clueless. Tell them that the Jackie Robinson Parkway is named after a slave trader. The correct analogy would be Hebrew Israelites taking down Nazi statues.
5) There are statues that were erected in southern cities mainly to intimidate blacks. The Government should have removed those decades ago.
6) There about half a million slaves in the USA today.
7) The moral question of being a slave owner, is no different than being an employer. The concern is how you treat those beneath you (or in a lower social class). Morally, titles are insignificant.
8) If the South would have abolished slavery, there would have been no secession. Had they abolished slavery and seceded for no reason, the majority of Northerners would not have supported the Civil War. And, without the need to control vast amount of slaves, the South could have ran a more efficient military campaign. [Not to mention Blacks helping the North as spies. And hundreds of blacks who could not serve in the Confederacy.]
9) There have been attempts to revise the narrative around the Civil War to exclude slavery (or treason) since the 1890s. Some educators bought in, because of some liberal idea of multiple viewpoints or the like.
Dear By,
There were 350 medications that were discussed as possibly being useful against coronavirus. (NYT had an article linking to 70 of them.) These thing are studied in labs among advanced researchers. Only one medication was publicly debated. If your only ‘bit of hope’ is in the concoction of the local doctor, you could reconsider your take on the societal structure.The yeshiva outfit is meaningless and pointless. But it just is what it is, so get used to it. Also, most yeshiva bachurim (and their parents) are happy with it. No need for cancel culture.
Dear Two,
I would not call a 45% mortality rate from being thrown off a roof, a wild assumption. Being thrown is far more violent than jumping or falling. Admittedly, I am assuming this is a roof of a regular house. Falling from 48 feet, survival is estimated at fifty-fifty.Dear By,
You seem to believe that racism was sufficiently addressed in the Sixties. But lack of community planning has not allowed it to reach the intended potential. That is exactly the understanding of the majority of Americans who protested recently. (Can we call it the American Spring?) It has given rise to most of the Libertarian ideas regarding inner cities.Dear Jackk,
The Republicans can easily walk away from Trump if he loses badly. There has been a post trump Republican movement since 2017! We could put together a long list of Repulicans who campaigned against or said they will not vote for him this year.Dear Rational,
The passion is from before I entered the tread and asked my question.Even after the Zionists were among the most influential in Europe, the three oaths concept was the leading discussion only in the quadrant below Galicia. The Munkatcher’s views were recanted publicly by one Rabbinical personality during the war. Then it was greatly expanded on after the war by The Satmar Rav ZT”L.
I could follow the anti-Zionist positions somewhat. I do not understand why so many Yidden think that the three oaths shtickel is not an amazing chiddush. And, the majority of people who claimed to have studied the seforim on the this topic are unable to defend it under cross examination. If someone is seriously anti-Zionist that should look for a position besides Satmar.
Dear By,
I very much see the a potential disaster. It is not one bit comparable to Poland in the 1930’s. Which was very bleak. And was not a much better an option for Torah-dedicated Yidden than America even in those days.There was no way for millions of Yidden to migrate one hundred years ago. There still is no way.
Dear Rebeliezer,
The Tarum Yonason is not the original source for the B’nei Ephraim Additionally, it does not state that they were punshed for trying to go to Eretz Yisroel.Dear Pekak,
1) I am not sure how available Gemara still is to ‘the masses’. Hence this thread.
2) Ditto for The Chumash. There are many valuable translations of the Torah it self. Translations of Rashi still need to be improved.
3) Haimy is not a ‘yeshiva bochur’, Neither am I. It is a legitimate option to study Gemara without the Rrashi.
4) A Rosh Yeshiva who taught the Blatt almost entirely based on the classical mefarshim, would insist on rashi to the point of possibly leaving out Nedarim. (Rav Gustman, Rav Ruvein) The Roshei Yeshiva who centered on knowing many sugyos at once across Shas woul not shy away from a lack of Rashi. (Rav Moshe, Rav Aharon)
5) You and I have the same amount of Mesorah from Rashi as any group of irreligious Jews.Dear Common,
I was leaving it for you to solve.) I just need to make piece with it. A married couple has to live in some community. Wit the other two choices (Keep switching communities or no community are bad ways to build Jewish Families.) I could skip marriage.Dear Daas,
I used to cringe when someone would say I do not need a filter. My mindset has changed from hearing too many people boast that they got around the filter. Whatever people choose, they have to abide by it. Or loose their freedom of choice.PS This device is filtered.
Dear Common,
1) I am not a long anything. 2) Unfiltered internet does not bother me anymore. 3) I promised myself that I will not be in the parshah until I make peace with the concept of Today’s Jewish Community/ies. 4) Zero interest in getting married now.I do not get the ‘it is not Trump’s fault’ slogan. This is what he was elected for. To be a different way of doing things. Nobody thought in 2016 that he would be capable of bringing together the country in the face of a major crisis. And in 2020 he showed almost zero interest in becoming that kind of leader. The USA being hit harder than any other country, is entirely because of a lack of federal initiative. Which is a hallmark of this Presidency. [I have no problem if you voted for him because he would do things his way. Just admit that he is not the guy to handle a major crises. Someone else could have handled the pandemic. Nobody in The White House stepped up.]
To say it is not his fault, is like saying an evil murderer is not at fault because he is evil. Trump realizes and utilizes his strengths very well. He does not compensate or acknowledge his shortcomings. [This was known about him when he was a serious candidate of the reform party.] i do not care for Mr. Biden. The number one issue is not who wins the election. It is when will we stop this pandemic. America’s (financial) future hinges on it. The rest of the world stands in disbelief.
The Zionist movement is not physical. Historic. Nationalistic. Idealistic. Utopian. Socialistic. Rationalistic. Revolutionary. Reactionary. And the reverse too.
See the Avnei Nezer’s t’shueva. It includes many physical considerations.
A word to parents about schools. Do not worry about how the school approaches your child. The schools tend to take care of themselves. -Rav Mattisyahu Solomon LRFU”SH
Dear Thelittle,
First some small quibbles. 1)Maybe I doubt your second point as well. Maybe too many people think that the average yeshiva guy is a true learner. 2)I do not know why, but some people with excellent middos had to suffer through unhappy marriages until they got divorced. Marriage is a unique relationship, just because they treat each other well, does not mean they can build a happy home together. 3)Getting married without a plan is not the same as getting married because everyone else is. 4) There is a focus today on end of Kollel training. Long Term Kollel is good training for relationships in the workplace. (Except for the other gender part.)What you wrote about learning and middos can be true up to a point. Once a boy gets to extreme erudition of shas, he must have overcome his personal tendencies. Someone who learns a lot, but is stuck on their own worldview will stall in his Torah knowledge. The Torah demands subservience of our experiences to it’s Eternal Truths. An ignoramus is not bothered by this demand, because he does not learn enough. The Torah gives him what he needs to support (almost) any idea he chooses. He does not know enough to see that Torah also challenges his ideas and remakes them. An average yeshiva boy will stick to topics that fit his experiences, so he is also not challenged to much. And, over time the Torah molds his thinking.
But someone who learns through all of shas and beyond, Is constantly being challenged to mold themselves to the Torah ideal. If they do not follow through on the inner work, they will miss out on the underlying concepts that bring The Whole Torah together. And ‘extreme erudition of shas’ will elude them. I believe this to be the meaning of the story with Rav Chaim Vital and his student. Along with Rav Moshe Feinstein’s Torah comes Rav Moshe Feinstein’s Middos. To be precise, Rav Moshe Feinstein’s extreme Middos brought about his greatness in Torah.
Dear Ubiquitin,
I am sure you are aware that the Recovery trial came out with their study.Dear Health,
Arrested and released -Barney Fife
Send home in a squad car- Andy Griffith
Punishment for the sake of punishment -Saddam HusseinDear Yoel,
This is a common mistake. The majority of Americans have no problem voting for Republicans to run our cities. Just find some decent candidates who are interested in sticking to city politics. Look at the Republicans who lost city elections.Dear Pekak,
You are making up your own pshat in Rashi if you are unaware of how the gemara came to be. Rashi was very cognizant of this. And if you mean that everyone before Rashi made up their own pshat, that is what I am trying to do. Even when I spend a whole week on the rashi.Dear Grateful,
If a girl insists on marrying a long time learner, she should go out with boys that are learning now and discuss it with them. If she wants to get no dates and be an older single, she should talk to shadchanim about who or what is a long term learner.A brilliant person can be cruel. A talmid Chochom by definition is referring only to a person that is not cruel.
Your questions have nothing to do with long term learners. At best it will identify if the boy is having a good zman. Long term learners, will learn regardless of income. Long term kollel is a whole different story.
Dear Health,
Until today Blacks have their own melting pot that is largely ignored. I opine that the societal changes that are paying attention to the over boiled pot, is due to immigrant communities (Used to be Jews, than Latinos, now Asians.) joining the wrong pot.If someone is of their own mindset, they can read from far right to far left and have their own take. People who need an idealist news source, are the ones who do not really understand the values they espouse. Only hearing what you want to her is not an opinion. It is just plain old denial. That said, the reason there the news is so polarized is because most people do not care to have an opinion. Most people would just want plain old news. But plain old news is too Conservative to sell a lot of advertising.
Mishna on Horayos 13 ‘A man comes before a woman to enable life and to return a lost article. A woman comes before a man for clothing and to remove from captivity. If they are to suffer indignity, the man comes before the woman.’ The Mishna listed two concepts for each gender. The next Mishna (the last in the tractate) list the hierarchy of Kohen, Levi, Yisroel, Mamzer, Nissin, Etc. But the Talmid Chacham would precede them all.
There are two points to define, what is “enable life” and why is a man first. Rambam on the Mishna: “You already know that thenitrety of mitzvos obligate men and only some obligate women, as was clarified in Meseches Kiddushin. And he is sanctified more than her. Hence, he is preceded to ‘enable life’.” Rambam hilchos Matnos Aniyim 8:15 “The woman comes before the man to feed, to clothe, and to remove from captivity. Because it is for the man to dispense (necessities) not the woman, and her shame is great.” The Rambam codifies the second concept of the Mishna, but not the first. Also, the Rambam does not explain what it means to ‘enable life’. Though the Rambam famously codifies that we do not give preference to one life over another in Hilchos Rotzeach 1:9. I would be very happy if you can point me to a Rambam that I am unaware of.
The gemara in Kesubos (67) states that an orphaned girl is provided for before an orphaned boy. Rashi clarifies ‘providing’ charity for food. However, the Rashba explains it to mean clothing in line with second concept of our Mishna. But for food the orphaned boy precedes her as the first concept of the Mishna. Rashba concludes from the verse, “and your brother shall live from you” that, ‘your brother precedes your sister’. This last line seems to be based on Rebbi Akiva’s (BM 62) statement that, “your life precedes your brother’s life.’ This is in regard to two travelers in the dessert, and one of them runs out of water. He may keep his own water to himself, in order to survive. But Rebbi Akiva is not stating that one may cause injury to a fellow Jew to prolong his own life. This is a solid source for the Rashba because it refers to food supply as life. It follows that the Rashba is not reading the Mishna as triage. Rather as ownership of the food supply. Therefore, this would not be applicable to hospitals or sinking ships. Moreover, it is known that a woman is not appointed over charity funds (see BB 8). then, it is possible, that a man receiving charity first, is only because he is receiving from other men. But if a woman had a private charity fund, then she would be required to feed woman first. The reson to understand the Rashba like this, is that the Gemara in Kesubos clearly states the reasomn of the Rambam that is the way of a man to provide for himself. Which applies to food just as much as clothes. The only reason to separate the two, is based on the verse ‘live with you’. Additionally, we would have to contend with a difference between the Rambam and The Rashba if a woman provides food for herself.
Dear Joseph, it is a bit long but the point is that life saving triage being done through a hierarchy is not found from either the Rambam or the Rashba. I will continue with Tur and SA in my next post.Dear Joseph,
You keep saying what happened to keep out the halachah of ein dochen nefesh mipnei nefesh, but insisting that the hierarchy of the Mishna be followed. Why does only one halacha apply? And that is the halachah that is/was not codified anywhere, as I will demonstrate in my next post.Dear Health,
True, true. But I read somewhere that after the first year the number of beneficial stops fell sharply. If you were carrying or packing, you made sure not to be stopped. as someone who lived in such neighborhoods, I saw it myself. Any time the Police do anything that involves one of the locals, it is like a Teacher doing a demonstration. Everyone, including those indoors watches intently every move the Police will make. It could mean prison or death if they don’t learn well. This is why I can’t imagine policing these neighborhoods without the Undercover Units.Dear Rational,
There is an eloquent speech/essay (I don’t remember which.) from Rabbi Meir Kahane making exactly that case. Let the UN be founded upon keeping their oaths and we will keep ours. Which leads to the traditional views of the oaths. The Minchas Elazer wrote as a polemic to the long responsa of the Avnei Nezer, which has a lot of practical advice on moving to Eretz Yisrael. (Besides for stating that even the Rambam considered it a mitzvah even today.) The Avnei Nezer makes no mention of the oaths. And there is no record of them being considered by any of the religous movements. The idea to apply the oaths to the ongoing discussion was and still is considered a chiddush. The question is, why was it self-understood that the oaths are not a problem?Dear Health,
-Person stands in the street blocking traffic. Arrested and released. Problem solved for the time being.
-Person drunk walking around harassing others. Arrested and released. Problem solved for the time being.
-Person defacing city property. Arrested and released. Problem solved for the time being.This list could go on, but you get the point . Or, you would like to push the issue further. So go ahead. I will answer.
Dear Rational,
The anonymity of Kabbilistic writings did not end 1000 years ago. Anonymous manuscripts abound from all eras. What changed was we have very little in terms of relying on the contents of these manuscripts. Even the Rokeach’s writings use pseudonyms.
I’m confused why the halachic works of yore are not anonymous. Sefer Mekach, Sefer Chafetz, Sefer Hamiktzuois, Bassar Al Gabbai Gecholim, Mesivos, and Shimusha Rabbah are all of unknown authorship. Really I should say i am confused in general. Maybe you were just giving information.I am curious if you know of anyone who wrote about the kuntreis being anonymous as fact or myth.
“His kuntrusim were so accepted that almost no one felt the need to compete. The result was the expansion of a different form of perush, the dialectic question-answer style of the baa’lei hatosfot. This style was not new, Rashi also used it, but Rabeinu Tam and the Ri perfected it.”
I think I disagree with this take.I believe I came across both works you referenced. Neither one seemed conclusive. I took to learning the tosofos themselves. Yuchsin, Kerisus, Or Zaruah, etc.
I am enjoying, Than you!
Dear Haimy,
Learn Gemara a page a day with zero Rashi. Every Shabbos pick one sugya to go over with Rashi. [One of my problems in yeshiva was that Gemara without Rashi was ignored. Like, if it wasn’t in Rashi the Gemara could not have said it.]Dear Grateful,
You made three points on verifying if a boy is a long term learner. Nothing on your list sets long term learners apart from the other yeshiva boys. I wonder how much academic ability in cheder translates into learning. It seems to me to depend on a keen sharpness that develops at an older age. And, most long term learners, just keep learning. They do not plan it out before marriage.Dear Abba,
The turnstyle jumper ‘quality of life’ arrest deserves mention. It was largely stopped because it reached a point that, the last thing anyone with a rap sheet would do was jump a turnstyle. ‘Stop and frisk’ also quickly ran it’s course. Eventually the criminals evolve. Undercover cops, I have no idea why it was stopped. I doubt there is a good reason. I’ll look into it.
There is so much shooting because this Mayor has no idea what personal life is like. The education system to him is a way to feed starving kids. That is nice, but if he would focus on giving those kids an education to be able to feed themselves……. Similarly, he would take away as many competent police and leave the idiots in place. Any civil rights initiative is lost on this mayor. What a waste!Dear Thelittle,
I understood you correctly. But you expanded on it heavily. Let me think about it a bit before I respond. While your take on family attachment is true, I had a more simple idea in mind. People who want to start their own life in marriage, and move to a new community or country and fend for themselves, could be hampered by a spouse who wants to keep his/her family close. And the reverse for someone who could never be too far from home would need an understanding spouse. As well as those dedicated to their career/college/yeshiva. Or the few singles that are caring for their parents or siblings.Dear Opinioated,
He needs to be active with his hands. His head was not trained to focus on specific details while keeping larger concepts in mind. And almost guaranteed (very frum, working) that he is real about himself.Dear Common,
I do not know. How many hours a day (minimum) makes a learning boy?Dear Joseph,
I apologize for wasting time. I have not looked at any of your sources yet. I will reply soon based on what I think now. First let me address The Titanic one more time. The lack of lifeboats is what I had in mind when I wrote calmly. It is the obligation of the crew, to find as many solutions as possible. Such as makeshift rafts, and inflatable devices. Not to wander around the boat calling, Kohen, Kohen… is there a kohen here? Like, really?!?!?
But these are random points, that do not address the central issue. If there would be a single file line to get into the boats, no woman would be obligated to allow a man to go before her. Who would have that obligation? Nobody. Ain dochen nefesh mipnei nefesh. And, when they crowded on the edge of the deck, the obligation of the one who is helping people into the boat, is to focus on the closest one. Again, ain dochen nefesh mipnei nefesh. Once the boat is full, the man who jumped in is a rodef. It doesn’t matter that they did not follow a hierarchy. Please clarify your stance on not pushing away any life. I already understand my own position.
The scenario in the ER is without details. You do not know what they have. All we know is that the woman collapsed, and needs immediate care. You would let the woman die, because maybe the man might collapse also?!?Dear Health,
No, I found five cities that you were correct about. All in one week.Dear Health,
The main purpose to arrest people is to stop the public crime/disorder/threat/disturbance/corruption for the time being. Punishment is not a solution. Even in Iran.Dear Health,
1863. What happened to the Blacks next?Dear Shnitzel,
I could not think of a way to make it work in the analogy.Dear Akuperma,
-last spring = before the spring. Nothing significant has been changed since the end of March.
-powers that be = False. There has not been any shift in how the scientific organizations approached Coronavirus compared to any other virus.
-anyone… sick enough… hospital-This was known to be false in January.
-infamous epidemics=Misinformed. Viruses that can be widely spread, cannot be so deadly.
-smallpox=False. Only those who developed the rash were seriously ill.
-influenza= Are you kidding? I have had a light case of the flu.
-typhus=False. Usually a self-limited disease.
-bubonic=Plague. True. All three forms of plague are near-fatal if left untreated.
-They thus decided…=F=Patently false. There was no cohesive (read: any prediction from Scientists how the virus would play out in the US. Scientists did say that nobody thought the US can be hit as hard as it was.
-5% will die =Two percent was the common number. In January studies the number ranger from 1 to 11 percent.
-15 to 20 million deaths in the US= In mid March US deaths worst case estimates ranged from 200,000 to 1.7M.
-Most of the Government=Across Federal and State governments there was much uncertainty and miscommunication that wasted six weeks of preparations. [This is the main difference between the US and Europe]
-most of the Rabbonim=Did you forget? The Rabbonim in line with the information of everyday askonim tried to avoid the shut down of Yeshivos and so on. Our medical organizations that knew the facts on the ground (not from scientists) forced the issue.
(except for Trump)=Bless him. False. The President called for everyone to stay at home, and not open to quickly. (I know.)-WRONG=No, they were correct. You misinterpreted.
-90%…=of what sum?
sick… to care about it= Probably true.
-NORMAL cold symptom…. EXCEPTIONAL… serious illness= there is a lot in between.
-1 in 300 die= close enough. I am finding 0.6%
-in context=Good point. Lack of context has been a major problem with public information.
-typical… patient.. life threatening=false. This was known in February. And it has not been so true. It is unclear why it is so.
-“existential”=Define existential. Business as usual would have been impossible due to the disruption of so many people sick. [Without any imposed shutdown.]
– a need for a massive shutdown=Untrue. If only to slow down the amount of patients so hospitals can treat them all.
-close the economy=depends what part. Bars in Florida where just shutdown again.
–give up davening and learning=You said this before, and i do not know what you mean. Someone who gave up on religion because of a pandemic, was never religious.
-experts were wrong=Twice?
-realizing the truth=No falsehood was perpetuated here. Every city had to shutdown at some point.
-most politicians=not a problem. They can switch their tune whenever they want to.
-many leading Rabbanim=not a problem. They do not give interviews.
-misled=A lot is still unknown.
-errors=Name them.
-presenting=There could have been more context, as noted above. And a lot more cohesion. Let’s work on it.
-fair game=Just keep it fair.
-halachically=Not sure what halacha you are referring to.
-a problem=Agreed.
-doesn’t try=You answered the OP very well.