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Dear One,
The topic was (At that point.) Republican’s who do not support the President.Scott Walker could have carried all those states. Bush won twice with only Ohio. Mcain would have still lost with all four. And Romney would have won with 270.Not a strong argument.
Dear Som,
You could have saved the country a lot of grief if you would have supplied Trump’s finances.Dear One,
You are wrong. The Lincoln Project has Republicans who ran the party in their state. What about Lindsay Graham or Rand Paul? More important, what about the fact that Trump walked out on the party? He was even a Democrat for eight years. And the GOP heartland controls about as many electoral votes as California alone. The Republicans need a real Conservative who has a clean background and is not afraid to have smart people in the room.Dear Ctl,
I agree with you on Trump. But I do not think the average American wants social programs etc. They just want to make it work. When politicians start cheering for themselves that they passed some program that most of them would not guarantee would work, and then the other party campaigns against it without proving that it will not work, and then cheer themselves on as they repackage the original bill into their own packaging, and back and forth, with the more useful parts of the bill being scuttled to special interest groups, and nobody being sure who the losers and who the winners are, the average American feels more worn out than my run on sentence.Americans just want clear and simple outlines of what the future holds, so they can plan accordingly. A main reason that needy Americans leave public assistance is because they do not find stability in it. Which leaves it wide open for the career aid recipient. The one thing Americans are fed up with, is the constant trade off of services,equal rights, programs, and taxes, with no clear progress.
Dear Ben,
Yup, lots of trouble. But if not for Mao, we would not ascribe the massive cost of human life to Lenin. Then again, had Lenin actually considered political genocide there never would have been a Stalin. But this is all moot. As I could not find ant evidence of BLM quoting Lenin or Stalin.PS What you found on Stalin’s works is a library collection of speeches dictates and letters. Regular Major world leader stuff. For anyone who has studied Marx and Lenin there is (just about) nothing there. It is there for reference. [Stalin’s ‘works’ is about a dozen pamphlets of drivel. Each one reflects his delusions. From why anarchy fails but Marxism does not to the great successes of soviet agriculture to how WWII was started by the US to how Russia is about to enter the great age of communism. Anyone who ‘studies’ this propaganda is hopelessly out of touch.]
Dear Luna,
Nowhere did he mention that yeshivos should be opened for those like him, or that Eretz Yisrael should open up sooner. He was just calling attention to a very significant problem. Yeshiva boys are only trained to learn and grow in the yeshiva setting. Take a Bachur who just completed one stage, and is about to start another in the same setting. And then pull away the whole setting from. It is ready….. set….. grow…. Where? What does he do now? Chavrusa? From which Yeshiva? What masechta is he learning? Is he continuing to prepare to drei for Kadshim? Or is it full stop turn around back to Bava Kama? Who does he turn to in middle of a shverer toisfos? Who will tell him where to find that Ketzos everyone is debating? How does he even know that there is Ketzos on the topic?I have been calling very loud about how bad this pandemic has been and still is for all ages of our community. But this may be the roughest. A Bachur who put together one solid week after another after another, that added up to a good zman. Three zmanim a year for a number of years. During that time, his goal was to build himself to go to the next step and get up to par of some yeshiva or other yeshiva. Not going to yeshiva is not that big of a deal. But sitting there day after day, not sure what to learn, unable to uncover source material, or to hear feedback on what little novelties he has uncovered, is a slow painful horror tribunal for a budding talmid chacham.
Dear Maivin,
I think that those that think the yeshivishe velt has a levush, are newcomers. (Out of towners or Chassidish.) The yeshiveliet with Litvishe grandparents, would say there is no levush, they are just serious about wearing (their own) hats.Dear Som,
I thought that too. (Not that it would flip, but help Trump.) Now I am not so sure. Biden has always been considered a good debater. His problem is, he wanders off the script. At this point, the pandemic is the central issue. Anywhere he wanders in the entire topic, is rough terrain for the President. I think it will be much more boring than the 2016 debates. Trump and Sanders would have been fireworks. Maybe The Yeshiva World could host that debate just for the sake of making debates great again!Dear Lower,
The OP said that there are some on the right who are not voted for Trump, Circle stated that everyone is enthusiastic to vote for him. I pointed out that this is not reflected in the polls. Let whoever is better for the country win!Dear Milhouse,
Context context context. The discussion was not about if a murder was actually committed. (It was.) We were discussing if the cause of death deserves investigation. (Or so I thought.) For that discussion, murder cannot mean the ex post facto complete understanding of the event. because than we would have no need for an investigation. So the word ‘murder’ referring only to the legal term, would be misleading. (I have no idea why you require parsing hairs to demonstrate the terminology of the debate. It would be more enlightening if you could state your reasons and sources.) [Just to be clear, this appears to be as close to a brutal murder as it seems. Just because the officer can make a legal argument, it does not assume the nature of the event.]Dear Mesivta,
I disbelieve a lot of what you wrote. Reb Yehoshua Leib may have said it to explain the trend. He did not institute any standard or style of dress. The Baal Habatim of Lita had enormous respect for the Yeshiva Bochurim. Meals in Yeshivah predated the Haskalah moving into Eastern Europe.Bochurim need to study and learn. Kavod Hatorah is for everyone else. If we still were wearing rags we may have much stronger yeshivos today. Higher standards of dress was not the critical reason for the rebirth of the Yeshivos in the last days of Europe.
Daer Dovid,
Law enforcement alone, cannot quell a riot.Dear La,
The riots were in your area, or you saw coverage of it?Dear Chash,
What is the difference between a chokehold or a kneehold or some otherhold? If I punch someone with serious force and he passes out and is then pronounced dead, it is reasonable to assume I killed him.Dear Milhouse,
Floyd did not have a large amount of drugs in his blood. What does it mean that he had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl? I have been around people on high doses of drugs. I did not see any such characteristics with him. What is your experience that makes you so sure? And, the Police should have seen it.Dear Mesivta,
We touched this ever so slightly on the other tread. Yeshivos today do not guide anyone on where the Bochurim should be. Only where the Yeshiva should be. If you are ‘in between’ then you have no Yeshiva to guide you to think about the Yeshiva. So it follows that since you are on your own, you have to think about yourself.If you just graduated a Yeshiva, and have nobody to confer with regarding yourself, that is serious reason for pause. You where there for years, and they gave you no tools how to deal with your own personal growth?
Dear Ben,
There is a lot to criticize about Universities. But the policies you are mentioning are not directly their own. If we want to undo the destruction these institutions have done on American Society we have to fight were the battle is.Dear Milhouse,
This is what I meant.In 1942, the Supreme Court said that the First Amendment doesn’t protect “fighting words,” or statements that “by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace” Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942).
For you BLM can be based on a lie. For people who live in it, it would be lying to see from without, all that is experienced in the first hand.
Dear Ben,
Nobody ever thought or claimed that BLM is a conservative group. But your knowledge of the social sciences seems laughable. Stalin is the mass murderer. Lenin caused a lot of trouble. But never even thought of political genocide. Marx never murdered anyone. What in the world do you mean by Stalin’s works? His poetry?I can see that your facts are all mixed up. I googled one of your statements, and The Yeshiva World was the first hit. With everything else missing keywords.
Dear Circle,
Trump is lagging in the polls everywhere.Dear Moshe,
“Most of all, as long as president is an incumbent, it impossible for anyone in his party to successfully challenge him for the nomination.”
LBJ was the incumbent in 1968 and was successfully challenged by RFK and others. After narrowly winning the New Hampshire primary, he dropped out of the race.Dear Charlie,
“Someone like Larry Hogan would win 40 states against Biden.” I disagree. In between JFK and Obama, every President was a successful governor. Both candidates this election and last, were not. National name recognition is crucial to run today. People must have some picture of the candidate before they start soaking up whatever partisan drivel they are fed.For example the ‘Biden Is No Moderate’ thread. With a thirty year plus record it is obvious that Biden is very much a moderate. But because Trump and Biden are both Trying to expand their voters to the left, they are both claiming that he is an icon of the liberal left. If Biden had been Governor of Delaware for thirty years the right wing media could claim that he turned Delaware into an urban mess and most of the country would not know any better.
For everyone who thinks that the Republicans and Conservatives are fully behind Trump see The Lincoln Project. And this does not count the Republicans who were pushed out for not accepting Trump. Or, those that did an about face (like Lindsay Graham) and are quietly working on what the party would like after Trump.
Dear Lost,
What do those that do wear a hat think about those who do? If they would feel betrayed, than there is a communal issue here. This type of issue seems to fester in all Jewish communities today. And is very difficult to bring into the light, and was never examined thoroughly.There is no range or benchmark when to wear a hat. It is a personal choice. I see that a lot of fathers who took of their traditional garb put it back on when they have their boys going to shul with them. (Boys old enough to daven. Even on late Friday nights.)
If you feel that all your children will settle in the major Jewish centers of the northeast (or it’s satellites) than it is useful to assume it for them. But if you see your family as being more diverse (like mine) then a minhag that is in conflict with the family structure and setting seems unwise.
Dear Shady,
Ross Perot attempted exactly that. He received 1,974.3821 votes in 1992 as an independent and 8,085,294 in 96 with the reform party. Trump got involved in 2000. But did not stay the course. The party received only 448,895 votes. With the green party picking up 2,882,955. It is an interesting study. (And it highlights that Trump is not a bigot or a conservative.) The main fallout was that the Conservatives spent their most successful decade tearing each other apart. As a result, there are very few truly conservative politicians on the National scene. Those on the State level are risking their careers by running for President.Dear Wisey,
Being a prophet does intrinsically mean that one is righteous or is acting in accordance with Hashem’s Will.Dear Som,
It seems like you missed the conversation. Jackk brought in Trump as an example of racist immigration policy. Not to call him racist.Dear Ben,
That is a wonderful statement to make!Are you prepared to submit to the word of a Jewish Prophet? (Degraded, harmed…. Sefer Melachim 1 20 & Yeshiyahu 20)
Dear Bsharg,
Ben may be right, but you are waaaay off. I am not sure why your post about liberal jews is allowed. Maybe for the sake of speech it could stay in this conversation.Just to question if you or someone else made up this ‘list’. Liberals hate religion? Outlaw Freedoms? Fighting everywhere? Attack marriage? child bearing? Religion as opressive?
I doubt that any group of Jews is fully comfortable with the all the many concepts of the Torah. It takes a studious individual, years of study and theorizing before he can harmonize The Torah into a comprehensive outlook.
PS Ben was incorrect about at least one thing. I saw the original statement from BLM. They have nothing against BLM. Quite the opposite, though it is worded unobtrusively. The right wing journalists that work long days would have no understanding of what background support is needed for families. (Please remember that our nuclear family is still a lot stronger than the average american family.)
Dear Ben,
Are borders are not open, and were not open for almost the last hundred years. We had an orderly immigration process. It has gotten very bureaucratic. And has been decimated by political polarization and incoherent legislation.Dear Bsharg,
The thinking that a teenager wants unfiltered internet predominately for that, is a myth. The number one reason Yeshiva Bachurim want to be online is social media. The less serious guys want to connect with people, as everyone around them is seriously learning. And the solid guys need to know what the next ‘biggest happening’ will be so they could know which night they should schedule their next break. Because chas v’shalom should a solid bachur spend his free time according to his own plan.
Also, the guy with a side obsession – history, science, sports, movies, clothing, novels, politics, or social media itself – has an easier (And bothers the other bachurim less.) time having good internet access. Plus, those that are high maintenance (e. g. clothing, food) stress about it much less if they have access to it without leaving yeshiva.Dear Som,
For that point, you could hate everything about America and it would still be your country.Anyone born in the USA has the same citizenship as you. Who cares if it was grandparents, or parents? Why kind of Americans were your great grandparents?
Dear Anonymous,
I have no idea why this is called fascism. If you care, that museum has been trying to untangle itself from having profited of minority artists for a really long time. [It was common practice to only pay the best artists. And promotions depended on connections.] Even if the story happened as you portrayed it, at worst that is anarchy. Fascism could apply when someone or something is put into power.The NYT editor is a unique story. There were a number of instances of reporters being attacked or arrested during the protests. [Both protests. Stay at home orders and Police use of force.] The NYT is looked as the pulpit of american media. In the NYT newsroom they were trying to put together an editorial about the CNN crew being arrested on live television. In the meantime the Editor published a piece from Tom Cotton to send in the military against the protesters. The NYT reporters felt like they were betrayed. And they mutinied.
Dear Addict,
You could have another coffee if that is how you rant.I do not think this post was questioning a general display of The Confederate Flag. There are two instances that it could be illegal. 1) To incite hate. 2) Anywhere that it is beholden to The Civil Rights Act. [Such as the workplace.] The Prosecution would have to prove that the flag is being used to intimidate or discriminate.
Additionally,a lot of public places (malls, stadiums, etc.) have rules about what you can display or wear. You can ask to see the written rules. Or they may give it to you when they call security to remove you.
Dear Ben,
Your post does not seem to reflect a strong sense of history.Dear Brewed,
All your Rabbeim have the same levush?In regards to what to wear in Yeshiva see what I wrote above #1877655.
No one ‘shrelled avek the geder’. #1880070
What was said from Mahril Diskin translates into that is was always meaning. And it originally had a point. Which was achieved in it’s day. But is now pointless because it is not a shtulz anywhere besides for in Yeshivos.
I disagree that something becomes the levush. Wear whatever works.
Dear Spark,
You have two strong feelings that coincide. It seems that you would be just about the only one wearing a black hat. The impact of wearing the only black hat, will be more noticeable (And hence more of a statement.) than wearing one for davening. If there are times that you unable to join a minyan, you can wear one then. If you always daven with a minyan, you can still get one and wear it for Bircas Hamozon. Then you could decide, or ask your Rabbi what to do next.Traditional black hats are hand made. The market it for it has shrunk considerably. As a more sentimental item, it is still being produced at a higher cost.
Dear One,
Wearing a hat is not Halacha. We hold onto it strongly, which requires us to continue because of minhag/neder. Two differences. If for whatever unfortunate reason it would stop,there is no requirement to continue. And, there is no imperative to coax it on the less or newly observant.When I hung round BMG, I was shocked to see bachurim davening there with no hat or jacket. I do not think it is like that anymore. It seems like the hat and jacket idea regained strength in the yeshivos.
Dear Milhouse,
I googled, Floyd swallowed a large dose of fentanyl immediately before being arrested. Here is what I got.1 Autopsy report Hennepin County PDF
2 CDC overdos resopnse
3 A piece from Psychology Today about blaming drug victims.
4 KNSI Drug Toxicity had no Bearing On George Floyd’s Case
5 A story about a toddler overdosing 18 months ago.
6 Same. Different paper.
7 A readme about fentanyl.
8 A story of a dog that overdosed in 2016.
9 Medpage article that he ided from Police restraint.
10 The Yeshiva World reply #1881659Dear Milhouse,
Why would you refer to me as a liar when I typed, “you appear to be correct”? I agree with your legal definition of murder. And I explained why that is not the discussion here. If you consider yourself the Judge Of The High Court and are in the midst of presiding over these charges, then the discussion would be exactly as you termed it. My apologies.Dear Milhouse,
Killing in self defense is not the mitzvah. Maintaining life and not standing idle when a life can be saved is.“And the death of the attacker is a good thing to be celebrated.” Is this overstated? I can not think of a clear source for it.
Dear Ubiquitin,
Is this the same as a too tight necktie causing one to gasp for breath?Dear Gadol,
Great reason not to care about anyone’s outfit. Whatever works.Dear Common,
Were did you get this from? I see 40 for NY and 35 for NJ. I’ll check John Hopkins.Dear Ben,
Well, if you are curious, you can look for better information. Affirmative Action in the USA, only meant that you can not discriminate on who you hire or admit to your school. Basic 1964 civil rights act stuff. [Executive orders by Kennedy and Johnson.] The ideas of minorities getting into universities instead of whites, is from money being offered to universities to take in minorities or whatever. We are very used to this kind of ‘pull’ in our world. I don’t know why it is surprising to find it in the secular world as well. [Some recent news stories highlight this.] The issue gets complicated, when the State offers tax breaks and the like for minority jobs. (I think the first big case was Colorado 1994.) This is because of the ambiguity of our tax codes, as well as general ignorance of state finances. We should care about it much more than race issues, but we just ignore it.Dear Bsharg,
We need to give BT’s better care, than the rest of the community. Secular Jews do not just lose their Jewishness. Reform Judiasm is around for two centuries. Long time.Dear Charlie,
I strongly disagree with your comparison. The question today, is one of ignorance. Americans (as a whole) know very little about what goes on all over the globe. Even in countries that we have committed billions of dollars in financial aid plus military expenses. Mostly, it is because of the diminishing role of the main stream media. We are out of touch with the massive amount of global suffering there is today. Americans are not looking at immigrants as sub-human or a threat to american culture.The comparison here is a bit like the political sentiment around the Immigration Act of 1924. The descendants of the earlier immigrants are once again thinking that they represent some ideal of a Americanism, even though they vigorously state that there is no such concept. To protect this homogeneity, they raise objections to various immigrant groups. Probably, because they realize that their own decendants have less interest in American culture, than first generation Americans.
The issue with Jewish was best displayed by a frum author in a major right wing paper. He was describing Roosevelt’s WWII borders policies as misguided only in that should have made exceptions based on the Holocaust. This is an expose on Liberal Jews trying to portray themselves as right wing Conservatives. Being children or grandchildren of immigrants, having grown up around major cities, living in the Northeast, and a major stress on Torah education, they are completely out of touch with what life means for the average American. Trump supporters are not racist, or trying to round up anyone. they are completely oblivious to what it means to work as hard as can just to achieve a decent life.
Dear Doing,
I think you are incorrect. The immigrant came to America with hopes of making it work by themselves. The troubles you refer to, where of people capitalizing on immigrants naivete, to get them to invest in failing ventures. The most famous example would be selling them a share in The Brooklyn Bridge.