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n0mesorahParticipant
Dear Ben,
I did not post any opinions. (At least I did not mean too.) Who did you think I was attacking?n0mesorahParticipantDear Simple,
In yeshiva the one who is learning most of the day does not need any reminders. It is the one not in yeshiva who makes the white shirt into a levush.n0mesorahParticipantDear Mishnayos,
To be part of the chevrah for a year or five that is a good suggestion. To have friendships, solidify relationships.n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
If you are a conservative than it should be an intrinsic part of who you are. You should not have much knowledge or interest in what goes on in liberal circles. And your views can not be based off of countering liberal views. It does not work. You could spend a century fighting liberal views, and the liberals will convert you. You would have to move a few degrees to the left every decade just to keep up with them.PS We had the Democrats are atheists point before. Nobody named one.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
i took the discussion to be about Police. I feel for them. They are being used as a way to get at this politician or this movement, or to play tragedy for the president. If you want to talk about bad local leadership, I am probably with you. Though a lot of these problems are older than the current mayors, and they cannot ‘win’ the situation.n0mesorahParticipantDear Akuperma,
An enhanced mutation of the flu is enough to warrant a shut down on any municipality it hits. Even in the event the politicians would not do it, it could still shut down whole states just from natural progression. Do you also deny that measles has been wreaking havoc across the globe. and that Ebola was within a hair of overtaking Africa twice this decade?n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
What is bothering you?n0mesorahParticipantDear The little,
Nobody is obligating anyone to learn all day. But those who are should not be interrupted for the advancement of everyone else. Kollel is a drop below level for the average single bochur. That is why there is elite kollelim. I did not say anything about what our Torah accomplishments amount to.n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Elizer,
Read it again. ‘We’ as in the people do not have the services of the Navi etc. It does not say that the Navi no longer receives a vision. See above and compare Eichah 2 9.n0mesorahParticipantDear Som,
Where is this overwhelming data? (And, is the data all in caps?)The President has started a new brand of sarcasm, the type where there is not even a hint that he is joking at the time. Somewhere in Arizona Dan Quayle is slapping his forehead.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Som,
Biden did not call to defund police. He planned to spend 300 million to reshape police department,AOC- Are you kidding me? Do you listen to first term congressmen from one sided districts, for policy decisions? I am not that liberal to care about every little politicians statements. I post to the coffee room. I do not write letters to Washington. And, the poster said smart people.
The police -especially NYPD – have their own commissioners to follow. Who is wisely choosing to stand down, and let the politicians take the heat. There is not much Police do, or can do for recurrent violent crime.
If the police are afraid of the media, then they are just a bunch of unionizing wimps. It is never easy to explain domestic unrest, but here it seems easy. People are bored without much entertainment. Maybe the media could have written about civic duty in the face of the pandemic, instead of civil rights, But I do not see to many posters promoting civic duty. Whatever sells newspapers……
n0mesorahParticipantDear Milhouse,
I do not walk around with a mental list of Black people who were shot by Police. I do walk around a lot. And I see the way this Great Country interacts. You seem to have this long list of Blacks, that in your mind were in the midst of attacking when they were shot. Just a royal shame that these hapless Police Officers cannot defend themselves in a street fight, without resorting to their guns.Now, about the lies and lies, and the exalted lies. It surprises me that you would have difficulty with a statement that is basic to logical systems going back hundreds of years. It can be a lie for one person, but not for another. Consider this statement. I am Milhouse.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Milhouse,
Hitler ordered executions. Called for, and enacted genocide. And then there is Geli Raubal. (I would not use the word murder. It is a loaded term, that indicates a homicide was perpetuated with intent above and beyond all unreasonable doubt that is up to the discretion of non beholders.) Do you mean that Marx’s philosophy was responsible for Lenin’s?n0mesorahParticipantDear Milhouse,
Thank you for clarifying just how specifically displaying a flag would have to be done, to violate the law. Go look back at the OP and tell me if it makes sense that he meant something like that. Personally, I do not mind the Confederate flag. I do not mind my neighbor’s swastika, either.n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
Chavez being a Marxist was a funny one. After being president for ten years, and having all that oil cash, he gives a speech to the effect of ‘I assume Marxism, and also Christianity, Bolivarianism, Martianism, Sucrism and Mirandism.’ And then he admits that he never read The Capital. Reminds you of anything?I do not know much about Maduro.
Castro was just as complicated as Lenin, and belongs in the same category. Was he a Marxist? The common debate on Castro is, conservative revolutionary or socialist nationalist.
n0mesorahParticipantA lot of mixed messaging in the US. Who would you suggest is supposed to be the great unifying voice?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Simple,
Exactly! The Yeshivos you listed are for boys that did not have solid personal development (They were not ready to sit as an adolescent.) until they went to Eretz Yisroel. The other name brand yeshivos do not offer more than their American counterparts that they are drawing from.n0mesorahParticipantDear Opinionated,
Those who are designated to learn Torah, can only be an asset to the kla at largel when they are left alone until they mature.n0mesorahParticipantDear Libbi,
You say ten percent. Can you back it up? It sounds like UFO sightings. Where is the data?Now, let’s make up that it is ninety five percent. It is still worth it for everyone, for the learning boy to keep learning. When the other boys get married has no bearing on when the learning boy should marry. There is not a nidnud issur in a learning boy delaying marriage.
Leave the Chofetz Chaim and the Chazon Ish for those that are learning. Meanwhile you can come up with the data.
Kollel in a week learns what solid single guys cover in a weekend.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Charlie,
That is my point. Jews are aligning themselves with conservatives policies. Maybe they think they will be seen as more ‘American’ or maybe they want the ‘right’ to lie them, or perhaps they are scared of the ‘left’. Whatever it is, they force themselves to take political positions that are completely opposed to the typical Jewish stance of yesteryear. [And they think they are Conservative by doing an about face! The absurdity of it is, the neocons change their positions just as fast as modern day liberals.] The facts that they pontificate do not matter to them. As long as they can cozy up to some magazine, they feel better. (American? Protected? Empowered?) Frum Yidden have yet to learn, that America does not care if you cozy up to the right or to the left. It is a non discriminatory melting pot. As much as we are not going to assimilate, we must remain independent.n0mesorahParticipantDear Charlie,
Where do Chazal make such a statement? See Bava Batra 12n0mesorahParticipantDear Shimon,
How do you get a Rebbe? The Rebbe ‘gets’ the Talmid. Write it like this. You should be gotten by your Rebbe. Doesn’t seem like such good advice when it is written this way.n0mesorahParticipantDear Huju,
Fine with me. It is also fine by me if someone dresses like a beggar. Or dresses like a rainbow. If I had a shul, they could lead the services or whatever else.n0mesorahParticipantDear Som,
“It is unconstitutional to …..” Seriously? The most vexing issue of 1787 was how to protect the right of citizens everywhere to bear face.“The anti-malaria drug has proven effective.” If you know someone, is what constitutes proof, I can prove that there it is safe for people to drive while smoking marijuana. In the scientific world, there has been a lot of mixed results, and it has been the most studied treatment. Researchers are sick of it. Things that have showed up much stronger in the data, are getting less research and funding. Why did any medication have to be discussed by the general public?
Here is the President’s observations on the science. It is very important to keep in mind his clarification from the next day. “I was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands, and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters.
Here is the full quote:
A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you (William Bryan) said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.That our President can have such a deep understanding of science, together with being an intelligent wit with cutting edge sarcasm, on top of his intense preparations for these public briefings on the pandemic, indicates what a true genius he really is. He also said he was a great baseball player. wow…..
n0mesorahParticipantDear Opinionated,
Like whom? Anyone specific? Well, right now that we have Police why does that not solve the problem?n0mesorahParticipantDear Lower,
The OP said that there are some on the right who are not voting for Trump, Circle stated that everyone is enthusiastic to vote for him. I pointed out that this enthusiasm is not reflected in the polls. Let whoever is better for the country win!PS I do not rely on the current polls, or the current president to tackle the current pandemic.
n0mesorahParticipantI believe he started republishing the original books, and is on the last one.
n0mesorahParticipantMurder with an ideology is more of a story. For the same reason that this thread exists.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
I thought I was following you. I guessed I lost you somewhere. What was your point about affirmative action in universities today?n0mesorahParticipantDear Opinionated,
That is a lot of words, but not a clear opinion. Are you trying to say, that because Police have are not held accountable to anyone specific, it should be defunded?n0mesorahParticipantDear Opinion,
Maybe we can leave the Yeshiva Bochurim to sit and learn. Everyone else can worry about the pandemic, shidduch or every other crisis. There is never a right time to interrupt one’s learning to get married. How about let the ones who are learning decide when to get married, instead of the ignorami dictating to them?n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
“Let’s be clear” That is a great idea! So, why did you follow with a bunch of tilted statements.n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
Eh… Maybe there is some truth too that. Being aware of same history, is the not the same as understanding ‘Marxist’. BLM did not mean they are trained in perpetuating terrible atrocities. Please recall that very few Blacks live or have lived in Russia or China. Marx and Marxism is completely Western to them. No reason to scare yourself over nothing……n0mesorahParticipantDear Whats,
The ‘Eretz Yisroel is for personal development, and the same growth in Torah is probable in the Diaspora’, is the great secret that must be hidden from our society at all costs.n0mesorahParticipantDear Ctr,
Returning to the Yeshiva, they just left is not an option. With enough of a spotlight on the issue, it could be made into a solid option.n0mesorahParticipantDear Simple,
Thank you for the info on CC.I think what we choose to identify with is not a metzius. It is an indication of a metzius. When there is a change that takes the essence out, and only the shell remains, than the levush becomes the actual metzius, because nothing else remains to be more real than the levush.
I meant to say that levush works as a significant factor, when there are very little other factors to compete with. One who is sitting by his gemara day and night, does not the white shirt to mark him as a yeshiva guy. One who cannot sit by a gemara at all, will not be marked as a yeshiva guy even with a white shirt.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Insert,
Nevuah does not need to have a direction. It can also come from an intermediary. The ‘vessel’ the contains the Nevuah is the Navi’s stages of consciousness. If there are impurities there, (i. e. Too much awareness of others, seeking vanity, and indulgence of the Id.) then it will taint the message. [Pure water in a dirty bucket, is the same as dirty water.] Being that you stated you were in a clear stream of consciousness at the time, I would suggest that you repeat what you were doing, and see if you can hold the message longer. (See Sefer Shmuel 3)n0mesorahParticipantDear Kgn,
Not living in Eretz Yisrael comes down to ‘living’ factors. Not so much halachic or political conditions. Those will change much faster than the conditions that we created for ourselves.n0mesorahParticipantDear Simple,
I have no problem if you wear a white shirt or a pink shirt. Whatever works. I never said to wear a pink shirt in Yeshiva. It won’t work. The discussion has moved on to now that we do wear white shirts, does it have significance or not.Historically, there is Slobodka, the Yekkes, and some of the Galicianas. What does this have to do with the Maharil Diskin? I doubt he instituted any change of dress. Though he very possibly said that about it. Which would make it meaningless. And in our day; pointless.
Mesivtas in the US did not require white shirts until the eighties. (Or so I was told. I was also told, that there were more white shirt yeshivos in the sixties then the seventies.)
I hear that Chofetz Chaim switched to white shirts. Because people were assuming that it was not a solid Yeshiva. If it is true, that pretty much destroys your point.
The idea of identifying with Yeshivos based on what you wear, would have been completely absurd to our grandparents. Even though each Yeshiva had it’s own style of dress in those days, anybody not part of the Yeshivah dressing like that, was assumed to just like that particular style. Levush is when you do not have any other connection. The Rebbe does not need the levush. Nor do his dedicated Chassidim. Those that are loosely affiliated benefit the most from a levush. That idea would not make sense in a real yeshivshe velt.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Pekak,
It is hard to identify people in Germany 200 years ago. Let alone trace their descendants through all the persecution. Going by the most famous family/ies, they are still around and they are highly educated. It would be amazing if they did not know the history of their own last name. Which was a major part of nineteenth century Europe.Are they Jewish? Who knows? Their ancestors were probably comfortable with where their children ended up. They advocated for assimilation, intermarriage, and even baptism.
But in general, we do not associate groups of Jews with children. It is about disciples and followers.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ben,
If you would understand what ‘Marxist’ means, it would not bother you either.n0mesorahParticipantDear Insert,
The first obligation, is to discern any parts that you may be adding into His message. See the beginning of Yirmiyahu, and Zechariah at length. What was seen or sensed at the time of this message?n0mesorahParticipantDear Common,
Here we go again.Who was a Navi 2000 years ago? Shmuel Hakatan?
How do you know there is no Navi today?
Prophecy is filtered through the consciousness. Maybe a mental health professional could help.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Simple,
The conflict would be, if some kids would join a no hat community, and some kids would be in say, Lakewood. His descendants would have to contend with that they took of their hat, which was the family minhag. But if he does not put it on, they hat wearers would say, Abba always wanted to wear a hat. He couldn’t because we grew up in …..My point was to answer the questions in his posts. Nothing else. There is an ongoing thread about clothing.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Navy,
I am not in Yeshivah anymore. I wished I would dropped out before my bar mitzvah. If you say every boy should be in Yeshivah, than you can not say it is exclusive in the Eyes of Hashem. Learning Torah can be done anywhere, and is an open question if Yeshivos have stopped advancing that concept. Yeshiva boys that succeed, are following a well tread path, and need that path to go forward. It does not prove one bit, that there could be a much better way.n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
Trump always had an attachment for Israel. His emotions run high a lot. He is not a cold, calculating, looking out for only himself, type.n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee and Reb Eliezer,
This was not about pro/anti Trump. It is about being electable and party splits. Every political thread becomes a love or hate fest with Trump.n0mesorahParticipantDear Luna,
I campaigned on other threads, that comforting the mourners, tending the ill, etc comes before finding a minyan or reopening shuls. I wondered if we are better off without them. But the dead and the ill are not the worst of the pandemic. People always cope and move on.Let me share about three people that I know well. I consider these the hardest hit.
Someone who moved his family here and there to support them. This year they finally bought a house and settled into a community. He then took his savings and started a business. That is now shut down.
A child has returned home to family situation that they spent years getting out of.
An adult that beat mental illness and had it under control for years, but is now slipping.These are things one has to figure out. They cannot be coping or just move on. I call this the hardest, because the unknowable nature of a pandemic leaves them unsure of where to place their next step. Considering that they invested years just to get were they are now, is what makes these stories into ‘karbanos’. These are isolated stories. But if we would look for one group to call in crisis, it would be Yeshiva Bachurim that were transitioning. About 400 new guys come to BMG every summer. And more than that go to EY. And that is just a fraction of the full picture.
July 17, 2020 9:31 am at 9:31 am in reply to: Do our eyes tell us what happened to GEORGE FLOYD #1883118n0mesorahParticipantDear Health,
No. What agenda could I have?All those words were not part of my view. It was deemed critical that I explain why I used a term a certain way. [Though maybe it started as something else. Too much side tracking going on.] In order to get to the bottom of what my thought was for that exact word, I had to be a bit fancy. My last post did nothing to back up my argument. I was never asked to prove that part. Nor was I given a real counter argument.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Mesivta,
All the time. Do you have a source for this? It sounds overdone. -
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