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Dear Ben,
America’s moral climate does not depend on politics. I’m the moral sense America is a true democracy. Meaning, that the country’s legal morals are produced by the citizens moral judgements. Identify with an American political party because of moral issues, is not Torah. It is not even politics. It is falling for politicians using religious sentiment to bait voters. You can blind yourself and say it is just democrats, but the truth is America has a serious failing of religious leadership. Our culture has been left to rot because of religious neglect. Not political interference.
There, I answered my question for you. And Charlie’s question as well. Though it is according to my opinions and not yours. Your points are clear and understood. I disagree with them. And you do not show how this answers the questions put to you.
Dear Popa,
Mazel tov! I am inspired to start some other tractate on Tuesday. Being that I do Mincha/Maariv I guess I am require to daven two daf a day.
Dear Ki,
There are currently zero judges that would uphold 1such a ban. There are far more realistic reasons to vote for Trump.
“It’s always been……”
Like, the past thirty or thirty five years.
There is a teshuvah from the Ridvaz about cutting hair at age two, by the kever of Shmuel Hanavi.
Upsherin; not cutting the hair, is not related to celebrating bringing the child to Cheder.
There is no obligation to put techeles on tzitzis. There are two types of tzitzis. Lavan with techeles. And only lavan. Just because one wears techeles on his tallis kotton, he is not obligated to wear it on his tallis gadol. This can be evidenced by the many talmidei chachamim who only wear techeles on their tallis katan.
He never used his middle name in the U. S.
NJ is in a tough spot. I wish people would think about it a bit more.
Hi Ben, I missed you on this thread!
I am aware of all that you posted. And, could use it to source my previous posts. It seems like we have the same picture of Socialism, just we are stressing different parts. It would be two tedious to haggle over each line of the article above. So, let’s try something else. I see you ended with line about environmentalism etc. That gives me an idea.
Suppose an environmentalist comes to our town. He asks us to conserve and protect our natural resources. We are fine with that. But that would leave a lot of access to our natural resources at the mercy of the public. Naturally, the question arises as to who would supervise that the protected resources are maintained and not stolen for individual profit. He answers, “I am a socialist”. I take that to mean that, he believes that it is up to the people to defend what they have left unowned for the public, just like they protect their personal property. You take it as, he does not believe in the right of the individual to what has been put there by nature. Even at the expense of the resource itself. (It will be left unprotected.)
Dear Charlie,
Can you point me to the Rema. I would love to get a closer look!The point here was, that the cigarettes were given willingly, That would take gezel by itself out of the equation. A Noahide only faces the death penalty for gezel. Not for other illegal methods of obtaining goods.
Dear Ben,
Even if behind (no longer fully) closed doors Clinton is more perverse, if not for him being under the microscope as president’s are, it would be unknown to to the masses the true nature of the former Arkansas Governor. Compare that to Trump who acted in public in a boorish manner for decades. You are putting a lot of specifics into the truth to get it to be a denial of reality.But you did not answer his question. Do you see a conflict between the Torah’s moral outlook, and supporting Trump? Also, you did not answer my question. If you identify with the Torah’s values, why would you move away from such a timeless ideal to support the fleeting knee-jerk morality of a political party?
Dear Health,
I only have an old print with me. Too tedious. Same with online. IY”H next time I have a new print handy.I do not see a reason to get into the believing the witness versus clarifying through witnesses, question. By mortals, a witness is by definition a bystander.
Similarly, a judge would have to hold office. Judgeship is also relevant as matter of prestige, like a king. One has to actually be actively recognized as a judge. It cannot be an ad hoc tribunal. If you could just hold spurious court, what prevents the defendant from presiding over the ‘judge’? If you would say that, yes, the defendant can simultaneously judge the ‘judge’, that is lawlessness. Which makes the whole idea of having a courts more redundant than this paragraph.
But even in your fantasy, at what point did the cop judge the case? While he was getting out of his car? Restraining him? The next day? Today? Did he talk to the clerk at any point?
The clerk told him it was not good, after he left the store. At the time of the transfer it was given intentionally.
This thread has not been about defending Floyd. Is Chauvin a Tzaddik?
Dear Dovid,
You omitted the most common scenario; Kiddush Hashem.Dear By,
I do not have an answer if this treatment saves lives or not. Even if it does, there are medications that have been demonstrated to be effective in treating CoVid-19. Even if this one is more effective than those, (which seems to be unlikely) it would not be enough to halt the pandemic. Thousands of people are being infected daily around the globe. And a great many of them cannot be treated with this medication. [Those with blood deficiencies, a certain allergy, and alcholics. Additionally, the patient needs to be closely monitored for irregularities.] So, please stop with the “hundreds of thousands could have been saved” thinking.Dear Not,
This medication has been repeatedly brought back into the public discussion by Trump and some of his supporters. Nobody (as far as I know) has advocated for it to be discontinued. Medication does not work along democratic lines. It’s effectiveness is not based on public outcry. Why has there been such an outcry that a medicine is /could be such ‘a game changer’?Dear Simple,
You keep switching. You agree that yeshivishe clothing does not have any meaning before it is worn by yeshivaleit. Then it can not have an “inherent chashivus”. Then you switch right back to only an “expression of religiosity in wearing it”.I disagree with that also. There is nothing being expressed by yeshivishe clothing. It just is that way. The fact that people perceive some symbolism in the black hat, does not change what it is. A dress hat. No more, no less.
To quote what I wrote above. #1880070 “I heard directly from one Rosh Yeshivah (He was as highly regarded as a yeshivshe daas torah as one can be.) that there is no reason to where a white shirt or a black hat. [Of course he expected his talmidim to wear them.]”
Dear OCH,
It is possible that Dr. Zelenko had good results with his patients because of his care, and not the treatment per se. Therefore, it is unable to be replicated in trials. In your post, you require specific details that would be difficult to replicate in a hospital setting. This alone would force the medical community at large to search for more effective alternatives.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
I think you are incorrect. These health agencies are not directly under the President. For example, the CDC botched testing all by themselves. They had the same mess up with the Zika virus under the Obama administration.Dear Som,
Major epidemics are not brought to heel through medication. There is no medication that would have saved thousands. Medicine does not solve ‘contagious’ or ‘overwhelmed’.On this site, it is the supporters of Trump who kept bringing it back up. It would have been forgotten among all the other medical statements from the President. Nobody should think that his handling of the pandemic hinges on if he was right about one treatment.
Dear Health,
No manipulation here. Rather, a two line biography may be helpful. Rav Yosef Babad wrote a comprehensive manuscript on the laws of the Noahides. He quotes it often in the Minchas Chinuch. It was never published, and is assumed to be lost.I could try to look it up.
It is a safe assumption that a human witness must be a bystander, not a participant.
Do you think anyone could just appoint themselves a judge? (In real life. Not a coffee room judge.)
Direct theft, as in taking by grabbing without permission is (included in) gezel (for a goy). Why would counterfeit money be forbidden, without the added isssur of oinaah? (Etc.)
This was my response to that.
“There is no reason to make a case for an applied meaning here. It just clothing. Just wear it. In Yeshiva one is (At least should be.) identified by their studies. The fact that their clothing was constructive at some point, does not imply anything beyond that point.”
I am agreeing with your point. There are times when it has a positive effect. The same could be said for a raincoat. [It helps people stay dry in certain situations.] There is still no reason to wear a raincoat when it is not raining. But if that works, (Everyone else wears them or whatever reason.) then go right ahead and wear it. But it still is the same raincoat. It is a lie to say clothing is an expression of how religious one is. I did not think you meant it like that.
Dear Your,
The ‘I must go to Brisk’ idea, no longer exists as anything more than a handful of bochurim who think they were born in the seventies or eighties. [Read, the shtetl!] Bochurim today, talk of being ready to learn Kodshim in any of the dozen yeshivos that offer it.There are dozens of medications being tested for covid. Anybody has a good reason why only one is a public debate? Does anyone think that the (majority of) public supporters of a certain medicine that I cannot spell correctly, are being scientific about it?
PS I put in the parenthesis because it seems like one of our own posters [Health] discusses mostly the scientific angle. Additionally please consider, it is possible for one doctor to have done good work with a medication that cannot be replicated by others. Because it was more about the doctor than the treatment.
Dear Simple,
Having a white shirt rule, does not mean the Rosh Yeshiva thinks it has a meaning. Some things just are the way they are, without any idea behind them.There is no reason to make a case for an applied meaning here. It just clothing. Just wear it. In Yeshiva one is (At least should be.) identified by their studies. The fact that their clothing was constructive at some point, does not imply anything beyond that point.
It could very well be that Rav Miller zt”l intended the opposite. The levush has no meaning. Since people tend to look for meaning in random places, he made up some positive thinking that could go into our standard clothing. His point is that they should think more. Not just dress the part.
Reb Simcha Schustal zt”l was seen as an anav. Even among the old Lakewooders that included many extreme anavim.
Dear Rabbaim,
I was not saying it is bad. Reb Shloimah Fievel La”Y has a very busy schedule and is not able to initiate as much contact as he used to.Correction. It was a case of local transmission, They were together with someone who came back from Arizona.
Dear Sam,
I am impressed! I put you into a tough spot, and you put out a very smart answer. Still, I am going to ask again. Are you saying that if one has emunah they are allowed to go out in public, even though they tested positive for a contagious disease?Dear Insert,
Are these messages that you received? Or, are they your own conscious ideas? Because proposing such ideas on your own, can severely cripple your ability to comprehend any prophetic visions you experience.Dear Moshe,
Mechitza means a dividing partition.Dear Health,
I am not trying to give any impression of him. I am trying to say it does not matter. If you can please tell all the readers on YWN what your idea of a ‘low class nice guy on drugs’ is. (Being that you already stated elsewhere that you would give them all a death sentence. I am still hoping you will walk that one back.) They do stupid and violent things. Which is why there are laws against drug use.Dear Charlie,
The home invasion with armed robbery took place in 07 in Houston. He sat for it. He already had due process. It might as well have never happened in regard to Floyd’s death.Dear Dovid,
“who were required by the situation to use force”
The only way you could think that, is because you were never in such a setting. There was zero reason for force. This kind of ‘failure to cooperate’ is routine. I have seen Yidden cooperating less the George Floyd did, over a parking ticket.
Dear Health,
On the noachide prohibition of theft, I think you are mistaken. It only refers to where an object was taken forcefully. Swindling, counterfeiting, and deceiving to obtain goods, would not be included in gezel. I recall the Minchas Chinuch referencing this idea.Could the witness be the one who was aggrieved? And, could anyone appoint himself as a judge?
Dear Ubiquitin,
Thank you so much for your posts on these threads! You have a way to teach intelligently, even in such a non formal setting. I find your explanations on how to properly read a study very informative.Mods? Veterans?
Why can’t I see almost all the posts on this topic?
I think the main driver of high tuition of in town mosdos, is high building/mortgage costs.
Dear Som,
Stupidity or not, it is the reality in american slums. Among the low class, it is common to plead guilty for crimes that one did not commit, because working with the prosecution is not an option.גם נביאה לא מצאו חזון
My brother’s neighbor in Lakewood is in quarantine. Maybe they picked it up out of state.
“Pretend to know/have the answers”
How thoughtful! I came across this line, after reading a looong post that pretended exactly that.
Dear Simple,
“Were Rav Avigdor Miller ztz”l and all the other Gedolei Yisroel wrong in putting meaning into it?”
“AllA?!? Who are the others? Doesn’t “putting meaning” into it mean, that it does not really have any meaning on it’s own? Whatever motivations Rav Miller had for the essay, is not my concern. I trust him, that he knew what he was doing. And, does any of this make the case that there should be some meaning associated with yeshivish clothing today?
Dear Health,
People who are afraid, think with less clarity.If I remember correctly, all his arrests were years ago in a different city. It would play no role in his first interaction with the Police in Minneappolis.
I think this is not about Police for you. You would rather discuss the high profile stories. So, here goes.
As I recall, most of his arrests were for small amounts of cocaine. The one violent crime (Was it armed robbery?), he was not positively ID’d. Though, he did plead guilty. There seems to be zero evidence that he was a pusher. More like a typical low class nice guy on drugs. You already stated your opinions about drugs. Just don’t go looking into your friends too much. It would put you in a tough position.
Dear Common,
Well, I need some help with this directive. I see myself as never paying high tuition. If I think the education is worth it, than it is priceless to me. And if I do not, I would not go/send there.Dear Coffee,
You can believe Dr Fauci. ‘The problem with bad data, is that it remains bad data.’ Or, you can blame the CDC.Dear Shnitzel,
I did not read anything thoroughly. [Including this thread.] I think it would help our families that want to keep their patriarch out of a home. Especially, bringing an elderly parent to the children or grandchildren in a different state. Nursing homes would be for those who do not have family. The day care seems to be mostly free pre-k in public schools. It would affect us if our schools are eligible for funding. That would be a big shake up to our economics.Dear Dovid,
Testing allows the country to keep up with the virus. It shows where the virus is right now. And then it can be understood where it came from and how it got there. Which is vital information if we are going to subdue these outbreaks.Dear Excl,
Any idea, on what is the official protocol for one who received one positive result. followed by a negative one? Also, the labs are overworked right now. That is the reason for a lot of the confusions with results. Do you think it is ethical to ask for a re-test?Dear Syag,
Other posters think you are insinuating that one who gets a positive result, need not quarantine.Dear Sam,
I assumed you meant that a person with the proper mindset can have symptoms, and continue about his routine. What kind of emunah inspires a person to think that he can control the spread of contagious diseases by putting his head in the sand?