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DearHaKatan,
A”Z =Anti Zionist. At least in your case.

Dear Baltimore,

Maybe the reverse can be deduced from this gemara. Since even in this instance the gemara (To my memory.) included the witnesses, it seems that the entire death penalty may actually hinge on the witnesses personally carrying out the execution. Maybe it follows that the witnesses cannot be forced to carryit out, because then they are on longer witnesses. A forced husband is still her husband. But coerced witnesses makes for for zero testimony. The best resolution I see, is for the convict to remain in the realm of ‘the walking dead’. And the witnesses are required to do teshuva for perverting justice. But they face no direct consequence.

Dear Syag,

You are correct. I am trying to be clear that this is my take on the incident, and not some narrative that I am trying to conform to an agenda. Also, that line was in jest.

It is a bit perplexing why my insistence that the facts are murky, is what gets you upset. Why does it not bother you when someone posts a single minded narrative that could only be known by a bystander?

PS You never even said what you saw that I contradicted. Being that I stated that the evidence is still inconclusive, there is no way that I could dispute your beliefs on the matter. If you have seen a third video please tell me about it

Dear Syag,

I have said many times that we do not know. And have offered sources across this topic. For many different versions. None of them make the police into heroes. Except one. Which I entirely made up on my own. Maybe that is what is bothering you.

There are two bystander videos. One is from Raysean White. Who has given multiple interviews. It was shot from across the street. It shows the police allowing Blake to get around the car. Meanwhile, they draw their guns. The second video was posted on Facebook. It is shot from the same side of the street. And it picks up at the end of a tussle. It is very hard to pick up what is going on in the first seconds. If there was an attempted arrest, it would have been earlier. If you have seen another video, I’m all ears!

Dear Two and anyone else who has not been following this thread,

The OP asked if the Kenosha police offered a statement. At the time, they had not. I answered that they have nothing to gain. The discussion turned to speculation if, and with what Jacob Blake was a threat. As the days past, the threat looks less credible, but some keep posting the same storyline. Even though it is contradictory, and has not been sourced. We have all stated multiple times that it is impossible to know the full context here. [Except for one poster who witnessed the event.] The fact that the official investigations are not giving clear statements, is highly suspicious. As well as the idea that the local DA will make the call, and not the state or federal investigation. Etc.

This topic has been focused on why the police would not clear the record. And the quality of policing in general. I have also noted that the quality of journalism has been awful. They are drooling at the possibility of being able to report on another town being razed a la Ferguson. The story is not being told. If you want to start another post about Blake’s terrible efforts at self
preservation, nobody is refuting that one. The truth about the victim does not cover for the inadequacies of the police.

Dear Jack, it goes both ways among Jews.

(We are having an objectivity crisis. Nothing to do with Trump or Obama.)

Dear Syag,

What did you think about his speech at the DNC?

I agree with how inevitable it is that everything becomes about Trump. I am waiting for his appearance on the tzitzis thread. I try to see them as humorous, in an annoying sort of way. Either way, it should not be taken so seriously. (If the topic is not serious, than the Trump part of the thread is also not serious.)

Trump was always a polarizing figure. I get that. He was a reality TV host. Why must Biden be made into a whole debate as well? He is as vanilla as major politicians come. Hearkens back to the old days when politics was boring. Just because he is not controversial, it does not mean that anyone is saying you have to vote for Biden. (A lack of controversy does not guarantee a qualified leader.) The talk about Trump as a person, should not be compared with Biden. It is as stupid as TDS.

Now again, what do you think about Biden’s speech at the DNC?

Dear Two,

This is the way I understood these Biden video clips. If you like his message, than he sounds sharp, with a misspeak here or there. If you disagree with his message, than he sounds slightly of the whole time and incredulous when he slips up or slips in a dumb line.

And he is still very humbled, and never frightened. Which is unlike all the people I have ever met with mental health problems.

Dear Syag,

The point that Blake was known to carry a gun, is not found in the wider media. It was mentioned in the second post on this thread, quoting a youtuber who does not have a source. I was quoting eye witnesses who have been interviewed by multiple outlets, including youtubers. the rest of the information is from the statements of the Kenosha police union, and the federal and state investigations.

But the big difference is, I am advocating that this is not a clear narrative. A lot is not being told to us. Which right or wrong, reflects badly on the police. The other poster had a clear narrative that was not in line with any confirmable sources. And, it was contradictory.

To my worthless opinion, anytime police shoot someone over a domestic incident something went horribly wrong. In that sense, this is worse than the Rayshard Brooks incident. Even though the Atlanta cops are on video bumbling through that attempted arrest.

In this case, if there was an attempted arrest it is not on the video.

Dear Syag,

So is it about putting together a sentence or not? I did not check his body language against forty years ago. But he always makes excellent eye contact.

Dear Chaim,

“Police knew” = they could only know if the identified him.

“known to carry a gun” = Because a youtuber said so.

“Blake resisted” = Multiple witnesses said he didn’t. In the moments leading up to the shooting, he was definitely not resisting. There are two videos to prove this.

“told him drop the knife” = I am trying to figure this part out. You seem to have it in the beginning of the clip. Maybe they did. So what?

“attempts to get in a vehicle” = Opens the car door. Not clear if he was going anywhere. Some accounts say that he was checking on his kids.

“keys to which” = I have asked whose car it was. That is my own speculation. Every single report says it was his car. The witness who videoed it, says he came in that truck.

“he stole from” = Nobody confirmed that he was the subject of the call. In the same interview, he says that the fight was between two woman. They were fighting before Blake showed up. And Blake did not get involved when he was watching. (He left for a bit.)

“a knife, a 3000 pound vehicle, and” = You are being silly.

“weapon may be inside” = No weapon was recovered inside the vehicle. It looks from the video that he was not even reaching into the car. If he was, he should not have crumpled on the spot. He should have ended up on the driver’s seat.

“children in the back seat” = Yes. His own children. Police can shoot black fathers for getting into a car with his kids!?!?!?

“shields or hostages” = You are giving your average cop way to much credit. If they were so hyper aware, they should have noticed that they exposed their backs to an angry crowd. Or maybe they did not feel threatened at any point. Or maybe the police in Kenosha always act with impunity.

“Blake poses a deadly” = Even according to your perversions, the most likely scenario is he would just drive away.

“to the officers” = His back is to them. Maybe at a later point? He does not seem to care about them.

“and other people” = Who else? Me? You? Mickey Mouse?

“training, the cops fire” = One officer fired. And he was right behind Blake holding his shirt. Maybe he should have been trained to do a non-lethal take down.

“center mass” = And hit him three times out of seven shots. Obvious point blank range.

“until it is clear he poses no immediate” = He shoots him four times. Than a long pause. Then three more. That part appears indefensible. The only argument is a mental lapse. There never was an immediate threat.

“in the back seat” = Agreed! When we are dealing with such incompetence, cops facing toward the front of the car are likely to end up hitting a kid in the back seat.

“intent was to kill him” = The mercy of police these days. They did not attempt an execution in broad daylight in front of witnesses. (Nobody says this is as bad as what Derek Chauvin did. That is not a defense.)

“arrive” = The reactions to this fifteen seconds, does not to be arrived at. It is right there. Did you watch it?

“retrospect” = A lot of criminals would also tell you they do not condone what they themselves did.

“for police” = There are better ways to police. A domestic incident does not need to be handled through an arrest. For sure not by gunshots.

“handle the situation” = The cops did not handle the situation.”

“the circumstances” = According to multiple witnesses, the police were fighting with him, and kept putting him in a headlock. Blake was not resisting, just keeping his balance. (I understood that to mean, that the police had no idea how to manipulate the hold.) The police union claims that he had the officer in a headlock. That sounds interesting. They let that go, but shot him seven times for opening a car door.

“they had to do” = Why was police needed here? And, why couldn’t they just leave? They clearly do not hold themselves accountable.

“fault” = This is such a massive mess for the KP. They did not even issue a real statement.

“with” = The feds are also investigating. Maybe it is to send extra cash to Kenosha.

“Blake.” = He obviously is not being cautious about the police pointing guns at him. I cannot be sure I would let myself get arrested by such jerks. I would go to the next town, and turn myself in.

How could you leave out the rearrangement of the mass-scales for celestial bodies?

Dear Gadol,

I have noticed that Boomers are still represented in all the powerful arenas of this country. My theory is that the same push they had to rail against the establishment in the Sixties and seventies, prevents them from yielding the megaphone to generation X.

Dear Bk,

One doctor walked the statement back. Can you remember which one?

Dear Health,

I heard four interviews with Raysean White. In none of them does he say he heard ‘drop the knife’. He does say that the officer acted as if he knew that he messed up. Trump put out a statement to that effec. But all the journalists could point out, is that he used a golf analogy.

Dear One,
I was within a mile of a protest thee times. Nothing to report. There were hundreds of protests across the suburbs in May. I have no problem listening to people’s messages. Nobody has to protest to get my attention.

The question is if it is forbidden. You are getting entangled in the wrong question.

Dear Pekak,

If I recall #BLM started over George Zimmerman’s acquittal. Which was a year before the Ferguson unrest.

“Burning buildings, torching cars, destroying property, putting people at risk – that’s destructive, and there’s no excuse for it. Those are criminal acts, and people should be prosecuted for it.” – Barack Obama November 25 2014

Anything else?

Dear Right,

We are not in the midst of a civil war in America. Try Cameroon, Yemen, Myanmar, Mozambique, Syria, Sudan, Somalia,and a dozen others. Violence in America is significantly up. So what?

Oh right! The average american is talking about inner city violence because it is all over the news. Let us all panic about something that has been going on all our lives. Thanks for the life altering advice.

Dear Shnitzel,

It seems abundantly clear that different people have different nightmares. The ones who freak out about the Democrats becoming AOC, are not the ones who freak out the Republicans becoming Qanon. And vice versa. Though it seems more common to be up at night from Antifa and BLM. Ditto about the fear being partisan. And man eating fungus too. We could term it The Great Post-Modern Sub-Intellectual Era.

I do not think site biases matter to the unbiased viewer.

Dear Milhouse,

So, in the same decade he went from the top of his wits to serious dementia.

Seniors with serious dementia – especially rapid onset – are not docile. They could be extremely aggressive when challenged.

While your at it, maybe you could explain why Biden had all those oops! moments forty years ago.

And, you still have not answered who is respected enough in The Democratic Party to push around (or speak for) Joe Biden? (Whether he is senile or comatose.)

Dear Milhouse,

Maybe you can tell us who has enough respect within the Democratic Party to push around Joe Biden?

While you are at it, maybe you can relate to the irony of Biden being able to push around foreign governments that are legally entrenched in their corruption, but yet being unable to hold his ground within his own party?

Dear Health,

So you prefer a police state to anarchy. That is okay. To me it depends how severe the situation is. Though in our case, neither the riots or the feds are that big a deal. The question is how does it end.

Sorry headlock.