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n0mesorahParticipant
Dear Always,
And a bunch of paper to print what we are studying for Shabbos!
n0mesorahParticipantStatistically this has to be incorrect. There are active members that have been here thirteen years. To assume that nine years is the age of the youngst posters, that would mean that nine out of ten members joined in the last four years.
n0mesorahParticipantIf I remember correctly, The Denver Rav had it printed in English.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Gadol,
Yeah, though orthodox or maybe even conservative but visibly Jewish without necessarily frum dress is relatively much more prevalent outside the Greater New York Area.
n0mesorahParticipantJason Stein in Cleveland.
Yitzy Schliefer in Baltimore.
n0mesorahParticipantIn sum,
“Before we do something about artificial intelligence, why don’t we do something about natural stupidity?”
-Steve Polyakn0mesorahParticipantDear Mods,
Thanks again for keeping this place going.
I posted a bunch of replies today. Every other post went through. Maybe the others went to spam?
I looked under all the couch cushions, didn’t find any
n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
I was hoping that you would give some thought to this angle. 🤔
It is hard to figure who is who when it comes to election accountability. But Trump is obviously the one with the most on the line. His inaction from since the results were made official until now, makes it evident that the original results were true and an accurate reflection of reality.
Most politicians ignored the ruckus about fraud etc. (Exhibit A: Mitch McConnell) And most of the discussion now is taking place in States controlled by Republicans. And those in charge of elections in every state regardless of party insist that no fraud happened under their jurisdiction.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
You may not have been following in November and December. Audits were done then, as is required/allowed by the election laws. Nothing was found. The Republicans that initiated this audit, clearly said that it is not about overturning or questioning the results. (That would be illegal.)
Since your not caught up in this nonsense. Maybe you could help me understand Trump’s position. If he was so convinced he won, why did he not pay for more recounts? Was it more about the money? Did he only start believing that he really won after it was too late?
n0mesorahParticipantKiddush at night is part of the service.
June 15, 2021 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1983347n0mesorahParticipantDear Made Aliyah,
Sorry to disappoint you. But the short answer is probably no. I can’t remember if I read your question right the first time.
June 6, 2021 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm in reply to: The future of the democracy of the U.S. government #1980568n0mesorahParticipantI doubt there are any honest posters on this thread. But for the record, these stricter voting measures hurt both major parties. They are involved in a suicidal struggle, all the while convincing themselves that the other side is hurting more. The only winners in this vicious political cycle are progressives who are too stupid too think up a real platform.
June 6, 2021 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm in reply to: Florida’s Jewish Agricultural Commissioner Announces Run For Governor #1980619n0mesorahParticipantDear Dovid,
So by that logic it was a Chillul HaShem by any Jew that rooted for the Yankees or the Mets when they had Ike Davis.
Or you are just a faker and did not even bother to realize that there are and were prominent Jewish Republicans that were publicly non-religious.
June 6, 2021 10:24 am at 10:24 am in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1980473n0mesorahParticipantThanks for asking!
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: I support YWN in general. That they use the AP seen like a trivial matter to me. I do not change what is important because of little things.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Made Aliyah,
Even if you would be right about everyone of those arguments, it will not help you one bit in the overall debate. Emergency responses are just different than everyday legislation. All the points you bring in, do nothing to address that. And yes, you can expect a mask mandate for the next flu epidemic.
n0mesorahParticipantI read Rational’s post as reasoning that there is no din of hefsek until we include something that is unintended.
June 6, 2021 1:54 am at 1:54 am in reply to: The future of the democracy of the U.S. government #1980413n0mesorahParticipant😧
n0mesorahParticipantIsn’t that just black belly wall lining?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
Congratulations! I think we have arrived at some agreements. While the message has gotten across to you, that is because you put your faith in it. Others have less faith because they did not start with – or quickly lost the trust that you have. All though the messaging does not make an overall difference to you, it does to others. As is evident from the same health officials calling their own efforts unsuccessful. The fact is mask mandates were not evenly used across any large part of the country.
Now to be fair. The other posters in these discussions have stated that they mask at least in some instances. Since the messaging has resulted with relatively inefficient mask mandates, it is hard to say that they are supposed to be masking more. We were left with unclear guidelines. Is a mask needed in a public playground? How about an outdoor waiting area? When eating out, at what point do we remove our masks? What are the guidelines for asthmatics? What is more important, clean air flow or masks? I could go on for another hundred lines. So once again to be fair. Who is to say that everyone else is wearing their mask too little? Maybe you and I are overdoing it.
And to clear up the side issues. Government rights was your point. I do not care if what the government did was wrong or not. (Spoiler alert! I think every move was well within the legal limits of goverment power. The Courts struck down some measures because public health officials did not make a clear case. Which comes down to messaging again.) The question is if their overall methods worked. And the answer is not so much. By personal autonomy, I meant that individual mask wearers have the choice of what type, how large, and a lot of other ‘circumstantial deviances’ that the government did not define for them.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
It’s nice that we are down to only three points!
1. My one support was that one question was actually a question. It did have a simple answer, which I subsequently posted. I never endorsed not wearing masks. I am a strong proponent of questioning and defining the benefit.
2. The Government gets to decide if it’s laws are just or not. Your statements on this part of the topic is so basic that you are not saying anything worth pointing out. Except that you keep trying to reframe it as a right. I disagree with that wholeheartedly.
3. So let the experts convince them. I think everyone can agree that the messaging in the U.S. on public health was terrible. It still is, and has been for decades. Maybe always. But we thought that at the cmost important times, the system would get it’s act together for the good of the country. Turns out the system is so broken, it could not even pull itself together for it’s own good.
Now to what I think is the center of this never ending discussion. The function of public health – really the entire public system of government during a pandemic is to defend the critical infrastructure from crumbling, while using what is functioning to overcome the onslaught. The fact is without restraining the citizenry, an epidemic will surely erode and very possibly destroy a government.
This is something that had to be said. And was paid clearly in the strongest democracies. New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Canada, and Paraguay. Once that is out of the way, there are only two questions for public health officials to worry about. 1. What is working? 2. What is coming next? In the U.S. in general and certain communities in particular, the messaging was unclear and they tip-toed around that very necessary point. That left inconsistent compliance. Which made it near impossible to tell what is working. Somehow, masks became the flashpoint for this failure. Hence, people seriously believe that it encroached on their personal freedoms.
It is known that masks help prevent infection. It was generally assumed in the West that masks do not prevent the flu. This is being reevaluated now. As is almost all the science on viruses. It was assumed all over the East that masks help prevent infection coronavirus and flu. There are different ways to mandate wearing masks. Now that the federal and state governments tried [Aof mostly failed.] their hand, it is up to the local businesses and clergy to follow through. In most of the U.S., mask mandates were only effective at the local level.
Once some communities partly rejected some health guidelines without any clear reasoning, It is impossible to get back to where things should be. So what are you trying to get at? Putting some masks on some people is not significant. In sum, I think you miss how much personal autonomy there is for the individual when it comes to following public health.
Personal question, how much increased hand washing have you been doing?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
1. Why is that my crowd? It is a recurrent theme of this thread, and even more on the other one, that you ascribe opinions and statements on behalf of other posters.
2. It is unclear to me what a government right is, or if such a thing exists. What is clear is that masks can be mandated. That just happened. And is still happening. I thought you would clarify why masks were mandated, and how such a mandate could have been maintained better.
3. It seems like you are reflecting the thinking that caused many public health measures to fail. Whatever is implemented, has to be done with a prudent eye toward a uniform application of standards. For example, masks were not pushed immediately in the U.S. so that the hospitals would have enough masks for their employees. There has to be a clear goal for public health. Or else it just wanders in circles. Helping enough not to give up on what is in place. But not solving anything so that the same ineffective policies stay in place.
4. Almost nobody pays serious attention to Dr. Fauci. Except for some sound bites. Some social and traditional media influencers got involved to normalize the main points of his message. Try to find quotes of him where the person quoting him was not oblivious to the context.
5. I was trying to let you in on the truth. Dr. Fauci was not going to say that we could discard our masks, until there was data that demonstrated the vaccine working in real time. The chance of the data showing a need to continue to wear masks after the vaccines take effect, was around zero. But still, if never predicts data. It is what made him a star over the last thirty years. And there is on reason for him to make assumptions now.
6. It appears to me that you are your own public health expert. You advocating for a mask policy without purpose or guidelines. If I am mistake and you do not consider yourself an expert on public health, why are you involved in how others wear or do not wear their mask?
n0mesorahParticipantIt was. And it is.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
Additions to the siddur largely depend on the specifics of the beis haknesses. With some exceptions, piyyutim diverged from shul to shul. Therefore, you can not ascertain a communities origin just by what they do and do not say.
June 3, 2021 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm in reply to: Why do used car salesmen have a bad reputation? #1980084n0mesorahParticipantBud Selig😄
n0mesorahParticipantDear Common,
No, no, no! That is exactly my point. The chassidim are very quick to make small changes to their dress. This allows it keep race with overall changes. Therefore, more people will fit in the chassidish style of dress than any other. So it looks they are thriving more than other communities.
June 3, 2021 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1980041n0mesorahParticipantDear Philosopher,
That is all if you say so. But according to your own fabrication you are guilty of whatever you accuse me off. Tell me where I posted anything about the narrative.
In the real world of heavily biased and violent people, it is interesting to move that they are two different groups. The ones with all kinds of reasons why some other peoples are terrible and should be persecuted, are not the ones actually committing the violence.
Since you are dispensing free advice, tell how we should combat anti Semitism.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Twisted,
I seriously doubt that old timer’s knowledge. If it was gutted correctly [i. e. Kosher] than it should not have been anything from outside the fish. But to be honest, they say fishing areas are a lot less polluted than they were decades ago. Any idea it was Blueback or Alewife?
n0mesorahParticipantIn the current day, all minhagim change at a brisk race. Those communities that put a bigger emphasis on keeping the same ritualistic customs throughout the generations, will appear to be in steeper decline than those communities that value it less.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
1. You are correct. I did not explain my earlier post.
2. Who is my crowd?
3. To make your argument (If I followed your posts faithfully. You make many, many, points. And I just cannot tell which one is the cause that you are trying to back up with other points.) comprehensible, ‘significantly more than other viruses’ could use some depth. There are a lot of variables involved. A dry statistic would not convince me that a threat is real.
4. You are correct again. Those two lines can be put together. As well as many other theories. But there is only one way to discuss an intrusion on normality. Are mask mandates valid because of personal safety, or public health? Both ideas can be good and even true. But a mandate that is implemented for personal safety will have very different guidelines than one that is implemented for public health. If we try to cover both, we will get neither.
5. You write about the pandemic as if it is in the past.
6. It is the job description of public health officials to make themselves understood. I have no reason to think that anybody on this thread is interested in what Dr. Fauci says. Why would I assume that Made Aliyah made any attempt to understand what was being said?
7. If you bothered to look at his credentials, or even just listened to him speak in the early days of the pandemic, it would be obvious to you that Dr. Fauci is not being cautious, or covering up for the future. He does everything he can not to make assumptions without data.
June 2, 2021 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1979872n0mesorahParticipantDear Philosopher,
Well, I am rationalizing it because it is rational. There can be many different rational approaches to the same subject. I am not excusing anything. Nobody needs to make excuses for a set up that goes as expected.
There is a big difference between biased reporting and propaganda. Yet, you conflated violence with reportage. Propaganda? No, reportage. Maybe rationality has to stop somewhere.
It would interest me to know of any context that your reality actually happens.
n0mesorahParticipantDear BY,
I appreciate it.
If you can please clarify for me one line. Why would a fool get depressed? The fool always can fool himself out of whatever reality stands in his way. Additionally, nobody can make the fool responsible even for himself.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ujm,
There is Yeshivish vs. Litvish identity. As the yeshiva world sucks in the independent communities, new identities are being formed. We’ll see if any are successful in spawning an independent community. The Yeshivish mentality has no concept of independent communities. (I do not mean anything derogatory. That is their strength. If that is taken away, it may usher in a very troubled era.)
June 2, 2021 11:14 am at 11:14 am in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1979707n0mesorahParticipantDear Philosopher,
Your post is more anti Semitic than what the mainstream media can get away with. Perception could matter more than facts. Though nobody here is defending the AP. The discussion is if it would mean anything to cancel the AP.
June 2, 2021 11:14 am at 11:14 am in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1979713n0mesorahParticipantDear Made Aliyah,
Exactly my point. The AP is in Gaza to have some reporters with first hand accounts. Those who know better, realize that the news from Gaza is slanted in favor of the terrorists. What are you even trying to change here?
n0mesorahParticipantIt is almost always worth waiting ten days before reacting to Israeli politics. The deal makers in the Knesset know how to test public reaction very well.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
Just imagine how much better off we would be if The Constitution would have stayed away from personal autonomy from the beginning.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
You understood some parts right. But you are getting stuck on side points. In your words ‘the Government regulates things that are common sense’. That is fine. Now what is the common sense to wearing masks?
To get this conversation moving at progressive rate, you have two choices.
1. The threat of coronavirus in the past year to the wearer and those around him, is significantly more than other viruses. And masks will avert the threat.
2. When there is a public health emergency such as a pandemic, all lines of safety measures should be invoked to slow the disease as much as possible, and to prevent the collapse of societal structures.
These are two completely different common sense arguments. Which one applies to the current situation.
n0mesorahParticipantMade Aliyah – 😂
May 31, 2021 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1979205n0mesorahParticipantDear Made Aliyah,
Did you need that article to tell us that? I thought any news service working out of Gaza is at least partially compromised. The question is and was, does the AP gladly work with Hamas? Or, are tis it basically forced to do what they can? Either way, it makes a bias that is not easy to correct. Even if you were right about everything else, the bias of the AP toward terrorists that are hosting their employees in war zone is not necessarily by choice. It could be that they report what Hamas wants, or they do not report at all.
n0mesorahParticipantDear By,
Hi! It is touching that you come back a year later just to give a personal message of chizzuk.
n0mesorahParticipantThanks. “Acid” should read as cage. T9 word. I apologize.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
“The Government has a right to tell you that you can’t do 80 mph down a one lane residential side street.”
That line really muddles everything.
The government does not say do not drive recklessly. Bedfore driving was regulated, safety was being said. It does not take legal recognition to state common sense advice.
However, the government can arrest you for reckless driving. As well as fines, community service, impound you car, press charges in court, and send you to jail. The difference between the government and the people, is the deterrent and the consequences.
So, if masks make sense without the government mandating it, then we can have a discussion about how the government could enforce it. Now the question is, in your opinion how should we go about wearing masks in this current pandemic?
I give up on asking you why we should wear masks.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
The main point is that the Bill of Rights is not natural law. It is contrived law. It is man made to pacify the concerns of people. And they are definitely not self evident.
The other point is, that our individual rights are largely contingent on where we go to enforce them. Our discussion of personal freedoms emanating from the Constitution cripple them to whatever the Constitution would make them into. Once our elected leaders turn toward limiting our rights, the force of The Constitution will be right there along side them.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Got,
Yes. I get you now. Just two thoughts. One, some bureaucrats are just petty. It does not make them biased. Most people are not generally racist. They are partisan. But it usually does not elect them from doing their job. – Rambling Alert! – Two, Israel’s anti discrimination law goes like this: under no circumstance may you discriminate. I get to discriminate. And now you are being charged with discrimination for calling me a hypocrite. Naturally, BaGaTz gets to decide. That leaves them as the ultimate discriminatory power. It is not surprising that the Health Ministry thought that the Chariedim were more at risk. The secular world underestimated how they would react. What?!? No work and no party? – Rambling Alert! – Your point still has merit. But it is not that much of an argument.
n0mesorahParticipant“Not to mention that the whole progressive agenda is anathema to Torah.”
Not to mention, is the way to put it. Because you never could do more than mention it. Torah is all composing. Broader then the land. Deeper than the sea. It encompasses whatever agenda is active at the moment in question.
Moreover, you would be hard pressed to accurately describe what the progressive agenda is. Any why it would be mine bending to find approval for it. The Torah does not command up to be politically active. Or even to make sense of it.
Perhaps it is better that you post these things all the time without backing it up. There are way too many distorters of Torah without you mixing in some more partisanship.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avi,
Look at what happened in the U.S. under the last President. Oh, you can’t see clearly. And why not? The truth is attacks on Jews have been trending up in all areas for a long time. Another truth. The public is never under the Republicans or Democrats watch. We have a broad democracy that gives over much of it’s cultural sway, to non partisans.
n0mesorahParticipantEd Markey is still holding the line on Israel. This proves that the Democrats default position is still pro Israel. The upstarts in Congress are the ones criticizing Israel and being overtly or openly anti Semitic. This is true on both sides of the aisle. It is a troubling trend among American youth in general. But go on with your partisan worship. Why worry about the ominous future, when you can reinterpret the present?
n0mesorahParticipantTo clarify, I was not making the case that Biden is most similar to Reagan. Perhaps Fillmore is the best fit. I made the Reagan/Biden comparison on a different thread.
n0mesorahParticipantYiddish is not a distinct language. I am not even sure it is a dialect.
There are not millions of Jews who speak Yiddish. Nor are there hundreds of thousands who speak it as a first tongue.
It could still be implemented for use of explicit nouns. Outside of a five year old vocabulary, most speakers use Hebrew or English for common nouns.
n0mesorahParticipantThe easiest pray for missionaries are Jews that do not know much and have a weak connection with other Jews.
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