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Dear Ujm,
If the therapist cannot control themselves when the patient is vulnerable, then he is not a good therapist. It may help prevent some sins, but it gives a lousy therapist a shot at a career.
And predators would still chase after their pray. There was a shocking story of a man who “specialized” in troubled girls. You may help prevent one form of abuse become less common. But your not cutting to the root of the problem.
It is harder for therapists to work with your people. And parenting is no easy task.
Dear Ujm,
It depends for what. There is no blanket statement here. Besides, even if they are excepted on the matter in question, that does not make your bad idea into a good one.
I brought back some real poasts.
Dear Always,
Great idea! In Kelm they would say their peers to give them personal mussar. But it would not help everyone. Not even the greatest professionals can help everyone.
Dear Zaphod,
That is a pretty good post! I think those that are advocating for less privacy are thinking of people that lose control over temptation. Your discussing serial predators. But I think that dear is not a deterrent for them.
Dear Yserbius,
Nobody criticized secular culture on this thread in the last six years.
Hi, Hakatan!
I was waiting for you to come around. I would go ahead and point out all the lies in your revisionist history, but then you would pile on and stop responding. You could go on with your claims that all Frum Jews were anti-Zionist, and all Zionists are not part of Torah Jewry. But you and all other who adhere to this gospel, disappear when the debate gets serious. It is obvious to me, that the relationship between Zionism and Judaism is to complex to be able to uphold a dogma of absolute rejection. Even secular Zionism. If you think you can uphold your case, then please start a new thread with it.
I’m a bit annoyed. In that all your achieving, is that nobody can discuss or even criticize Israel without you coming around and insisting on a complete rejection of the State. Something like a ‘catch and kill’. You can serve your cause better, by allowing for other conversations. As well as standing by your own.
Dear Philosopher,
Your statement has little credibility. Of course people should deal with their issues. Even and especially major issues like trauma. But not everybody knows how to deal with their issues. It is not an excuse. One can think and research and attempt their way out of their current situation. Or they can learn to cope. When they can not do this on their own, they need therapy to be able to work with the issue. It has zero to do with how big or problematic the issues are. It has everything to do with the patient’s lack of ability to help themself.
My take is that Secular Israel is petrified of Observant Israel. In sixty five years, the yeshiva has gone from the most recent relic to be found in The Land, to the lifeblood of the fastest growing and most influential communities on the future of the State. It is obvious that we are approaching the complete nullification of the Ideal of Secular Zionism. There are even anti religious Zionist thinkers, that see movement sanctioned mitzvah observance as the only path forward for a secular state. They know they lost the intellectual battle, and are infuriated by it. The violent rhetoric coming out of certain religious camps does not put them at ease……
Dear Ujm,
There are two scenarios. Someone becomes a therapist, clergy, doctor, lawyer, etc. and can’t control himself when confronted with vulnerable people. Someone who is out of control, gets a career to hunt for victims.
Your solution may mitigate the first example. But who really knows what goes through these peoples heads that they turn from mentor to abuser? If they can not handle the responsibility, what is to say they will behave better with less of a nisayon?
But in the second example, they will not listen. They may become ‘specialists’ in the other gender, or they will move to some other position to get their victims.
Dear Coffee,
Last night I went on a journey to pages where these things still existed.
The Ramban largely had the format that was popular in Ashkenaz.
If Rabbeinu Tam would have had the Rach’s approach instead of Rashi’s, the tosofos would never have been able to be formulated.
Your observation on the expanded formula of the Bavli is a good one.
Dear Halevi,
I’m only going on the great Talmedei Chachachim throughout the generations that had direct knowledge of how our Holy Torah has been preserved throughout the ages. I’m sorry to say that you are going of off an academic instruction that is full of assumption, and reliance on on discreted sources. The fact that this academy was presented centuries ago, does not make it reliable.
Both of the major figures that you are standing behind were controversial and non traditional in their day. And one of them is very responsible for the mass assimilations that overtook us, in the last two centuries. One major source that rejected that academy of thought because of what he actually knew, was the Marshal.
If you are fully aware of Jewish History [Not history of Jews.] you know exactly which topics I’m referencing. I’m not going to elaborate. If you did not yet get up to this in your own learning of gemara, do not worry about it. You can be a real gadol without ever discovering it. And I’m still an am haaretz with all my researching. The Talmedai Chachamim I spoke with at length, would probably have preferred to be discussing the shiur they gave in yeshiva with you.
All right. This is an absolute travesty. Just to think how many mamzeirem did not die in the last week to save a kohen.
I’m confused on why the titanic is part of the topic. They did what they did. Either it was standard practice, or they decided it on the spot. I really doubt they were completely dedicated to saving as many lives as possible. The titanic is an all around example of getting low priorities of the value of a single life.
Does the concept of a hierarchy apply to non-Jews who are saving lives? And if they can save whatever way they believe will help the most, are Jews working alongside them obligated to object and insist on following a specific order? If they cannot do that, do they cease cooperating with non-Jews?
In my understanding this is all irrelevant. But what does everyone else have to say on this crucial topic?
Thank you.
I’m heading over.
Wasting time with ‘Jewish’ culture, would gave a similar effect.
Dear Ujm,
If only it was that simple. And once we’re on that suggestion, I do not see how it helps.
Dear Joseph,
Back when I first discussed the topic, I thought we would cover the whole sugya. Now I understand that you just want an axiom. I obliged. If I’m under selling your criteria, I apologize. Soon after your posts stopped. And I see that we have not overlapped on this site since. I had more posts prepared and will get to them soon.
Longingly, n0mesorah
The coffee room opens to the decaffeinated page, and all threads become repetitive.
Maybe five star poster can become Coffee’s subtitle.
The subject is capable of maintaining a model exterior without a passion to match it. An amazing feat! Being so placid about her ideal self, allows her to waste away with mindless activities. Her sister is telling her, that her real choices take place within. How she presents herself, will never be the real her, until she introverts her exterior. I can identify with that. While not so extreme, we have the ability to portray one identity, and align our true selves with something else. The contents that we waste our time with does not matter as much as the lack of growth.
The issue lies at the doorstep of those who gave the referrals. People should know to go through respected organizations. Then at least there is someone to go to when therapy fails. Even when it was without crossing any boundaries.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
The wording in that sentence, is in the wrong order.
Maybe his motive was to get on tv.
Mods….. This conversation is about poasts, not about posts.
Another sizeable difference is in the prestige and recognition in the community.
Dear Always,
If you do not like it, than do not use it. Call the teacher as often as you wish.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
Do you mean ‘we’ as in coffee room posters? I could hardly agree with you more……
Dear Bored,
A President simply does not have the resources to visit after every calamity. There are simply to many of them. And the country is too big. When was the last time a President visited Alaska? Hawaii? Maine? Did you expect the President to visit after the shooting in Jersey City? You could compare this to the Boston Marathon Bombing. Or to Sandy Hook. But I’m not convinced that Biden should see it that way. Or that he would go visit in those instances, either.
Dear Bored,
If you really care about the politics of the issues, you would certainly know that none of this matters. The only difference in the narrative, is which cable network makes more money. And If you really care about the narrative, in ahead and make your own! These air heads on tv do not know more than you. And they are even worse at forming opinions.
Dear Bored,
Well actually, we went through the Jacob Blake story on these very pages. I’ll just tell you that I could have dealt with him better than those wimps. Whether the officer was unaware of the situation, or untrained, or a rotten apple, is irrelevant. Since then, the local police union made some ridiculous statements, and it is an all around bad look for the Department. Problem is that Kinosha is not a large enough city to bring in a new Chief of Police who will insist on enforcing the law. Now I wandered too much.
Let’s just say that your understanding of the incident was correct. That was not why it was such a big deal. It was because after some high profile police killings, Blake was still alive. [The media was hoping for some statement that could be spun into a narrative. All he said was that he is in a lot of pain and it was not worth it. 😂😂] Both Trump and Biden came to town. Neither one was there to calm down the city. Or to console the people. Or some other fluff. They came because they were on the campaign trail. And the fist rule is you go where the tv cameras are.
Dear Bored,
The car ramming was not the story in Charlottesville. I forgot that part of it. A lot of what the imagery that was displayed, was thought to be almost obsolete in this country. Maybe you got too caught up in the silly competing narratives of the last few years,.
If you find yourself consistently outraged about the media, then That is a signal for you to go figure it out. Maybe try getting a small role in a major news institution. It really sounds like you do not get any of this.
Dear Ym,
It maybe your take, but it is not a popular one. There are more Jewish therapists now. As well as more ‘qualified frum people’ going into the profession. You sure insinuated a lot of awfulness in your first post, maybe you were trying to mind your own manners.
Controversy, or content?
Zero comparison.
Dear Syag,
I do not understand. The killer is being prosecuted. Who cares how the media presents it? Why does the President have to comment on any violent crime?
I thought that YWN got their tips copyrighted…
Besides, a simple comparison between the tosafos and chachmei sefard, demonstrates that their discrepancies are not largely errors of copyists. There is an obvious difference of origin.
And, an examination of the sparse writings of the early Geonim, points to there being no standard wording. The BeHag had completely different versions than any manuscript that was ever known in Europe. It is laughable to suggest that there were such major errors that crept in go just a few hundred years. And that they were then completely resolve in a comparable amount of time. But yet the BeHag, writing an early halachic compendium, was unaware of these mistakes.
Dear Halevi,
The gemara is clearly a verbal dialogue. Many of the mnemonics have been preserved. There were no manuscripts in Bavel until the tenth century. Your basics are in conflict with Iggeres Rav Sherarah Goan.
Dear Halevi,
A patient and therapist in a private office in an office building during normal business hours, is generally not Yichud.
You could make the same argument in revere. Many Non-Jews are therapists without having these problems.
Dear Ym,
You would rather patients be alone with non-Jews?!?
Dear Moshe,
I agree with you on that one hundred percent. It seems like the OP does not. People are people. Let them ask what halachah is.
Dear Doomsday,
Men can be abused, too. There have been false accusations against minors as well.
This thread spooks me out. Have we as a country reached the point, where murder is less of an evil, than how the news presents it?
Dear Doomday,
The concept of Yichud is to deal with something else. Just never being alone together will not help one bit. If someone Jack’s their own moral code, they can do anything to anyone.
“A person is a monster only to those who do oppose him politically.”
Maybe post that to the thread about accusing the innocent and see how it goes over.
People are in therapy to deal with outside effects that are feeds within their own psyche. The beginning stage, is when the patient Kearns to reach deep within to their most guarded secrets. To relax the patient to the point when there is nn one but themselves, while others can observe them, will be an unnecessary challenge. Additionally, patients have embarrassing reactions when they open up parts of themselves that have been hidden for years.
Dear Philosopher,
Even if he does not close up shop, he would lose all his referrals. The worst stories are where nobody bothered to not send the next victim.
Therapy without complete privacy, would be very convoluted. In some instances, it would be totally useless.