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n0mesorahParticipant
Dear Always,
I do not recall ever seeing a parking meter in Lakewood.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
Global warming is not just a theory. It’s a statistical model. And it’s been ironclad for almost two centuries. Even super-computers have not found an improvement over the mathematical formula. The warming part has been observed over the last thirty plus years. That is a factual observation, not a theory. As Ujm mentioned how much warming has actually been observed, is in dispute. And what the cause is, can fairly be called just theory. And nobody intelligent is saying that the world will blow up.
May 26, 2022 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2091166n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
“…….and then to blame others….”
Agreed.
Point #1 It’s not separating from anyone. It’s different approaches to normalizing kabbalah. Now, you could think they have it wrong. We could even go so far as to disagree with the Baal HaTanya. But, as outsiders we can’t tell Chabad how to learn. I’m sure any group could critique something about every group’s teachings.
Point # 2 Agreed. I then said a chiddush that on those individuals it does not make them outside the pale. They are just making a mistake. I also posted a while back, that it is Chabad’s issue that they have some that misconstrue Chabad’s teachings. Other communities, would give such types an ultimatum, that is not the Chabad way. You can think that they are very wrong for such an approach, and I may agree with you. But we can’t tell them to change. It’s basically asking Chabad not to be Chabad.
May 26, 2022 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2091165n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
If the Rebbe is still an option to be mashiach, then why not Dovid Hamelech? Does the Rebbe have to start breathing again before he can be proven to be mashiach?
May 26, 2022 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2091162n0mesorahParticipantThe Rebbe was a major marbetz torah. To yeshivaliet also. Besides for helping Torah VDas and Chaim Berlin stay open. And that’s not counting all the talmidim of Rav Aaron and the old Mirrers who went to farbraing. Not many Rebbes could learn like him.
May 26, 2022 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2091160n0mesorahParticipantBut those that insist that something must be done, will almost always pick up more swing votes, than those that claim not to make it worse.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Revealing His Wisdom. There already had been revelation before Avraham. Like Ts said, we can’t guess a reason for there being aliens. But if there are aliens, than these must be a reason for them.
n0mesorahParticipantAnd nobody should get guns for protection. Or waste their time trying to befriend politicians and government agencies. Or following… oh, you mean God only takes responsibility for the environment? Okay, let’s all head back to the abortion thread.
n0mesorahParticipantWhat’s a pistol going to do? Get a shoulder mounted rocket propelled anti aircraft missile launcher.
n0mesorahParticipantI have another idea. Just have the mamzer stay home and shoot himself in the head. He has the gun already. Why waste the shul’s and yeshiva’s money on guns?
n0mesorahParticipantGreat idea! Because every Rebbi is a great shot. In middle of class, waving his left thumb his right draws, fires, and re-holsters, before he brings his left hand back to point to the place. And of course he hit the spinal cord between the body armor and helmet. Without looking. Because every good Rebbi keeps his eyes in the gemara when he is not busy making sure the kids are following.
n0mesorahParticipantRevelation means revelation.
His Will is also a revelation.
There could be revelation without delivering His Will.
Most of the reaction in TaNaCH does not directly effect His Will.
If that’s so, I do not follow why there can’t be bountiful revelations on planet x.
n0mesorahParticipantThe Rebbi is always right – until he drops the pistol.
May 25, 2022 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090970n0mesorahParticipantIf they are banking on the voter’s intelligence, than wouldn’t a platform be the way to go? If they get elected and do the same stupid nothing, that would give the Democrats a chance to say we will do something again. And more extremist democrats will get by with less scrutiny.
n0mesorahParticipantWhy does it take so long?
n0mesorahParticipantJust to point out, to say they may have the same Torah should not bother you. I’m not saying that.
n0mesorahParticipantCorrect. Exact quote. Why does that apply to revelation?
n0mesorahParticipantI’m aware of all that, Mheichi.
I’m not denying any of the science. I’m pointing out how the commoner is being coached to wonder about concerns that easy to relate to. It is a good way to get people to take notice. It is an even better way to get people to doubt the whole science.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
Please point to the Trump hate on this thread.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Moshe,
Where does hatred come in? It sounds the same as playing the race card.
May 25, 2022 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090857n0mesorahParticipantOkay. But then I’ll argue that the Republican winning now, will push the Democrats to endorse even more extreme candidates next time.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
I get that you think that the Torah is immutable, and therefore it is one. How does that impact revelation? It comes in all different visions, with varying levels of clarity.
n0mesorahParticipantThere is nothing Conservative about bowing to Trump.
And the election nonsense is terrible for everyone. Trump is turning ameracin politics into tribal corruption.
n0mesorahParticipantI was trying to make the point, that most of the hype about the potential fallout about global warming are not really so problematic. The three problems that concern scientists, are water shortages, other agriculture problems, and an energy shortage.
n0mesorahParticipantDon’t bet on it. He likes being in the news more than anything else.
n0mesorahParticipantEven if we take what Ujm alluded to the political extreme, it is still true that the global surface temperature has been warming a bit. (Half a degree Celsius.)
May 25, 2022 12:54 am at 12:54 am in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090641n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
You compared wining the midterms to putting someone on life support. I took that as keeping the Republican Party in power. And delaying the inevitable death = keeping the Democrats out of power. I just wonder if maybe losing these winnable elections would help the Republicans identify themselves, and win back the county in the long run.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
You asked if there is a Torah Hashkafa that makes us not concerned. So I’m trying to clarify that concern one would have, he they were convinced the world warm extremely (Another whole degree in fifteen years.) quickly.
n0mesorahParticipantNo comment.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
The rise in global temperature is not the same thing as the temperature reported on your local weather station. A rise in global temperature has no conclusive meaning to what the temperature will be in a certain area.
The media decides the news. Not the facts. Journalists and TV hosts are not known to be above the average person in Earth Science. A real scientist will predict very little. There will be a disclaimer every sentence or two. If, possible, can, may, we suspect, and so on.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Froggie,
Weather is not climate change. And neither is the same as global warming. You should not be attuned to picking up the howls of the activists. You should attune yourself to pick up The Word Of Hashem. How would anybody mix up the two?!?
Here is an analogy. Someone has a Morning Seder with the intention of finishing Shas. Weather would be how well his seder is going on an individual day or week. Climate is like his chavrusa. Global warming would be how is moving toward his goal. One can claim that it is all just weather – a seder each morning.
May 25, 2022 12:23 am at 12:23 am in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090618n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
You posted so much great stuff! Let’s jump right in. Is there any contemporary that you’ve read on the six mitzvos? The classics are to terse, or hard to imagine into our thinking. I want to claim, that I am not saying any chiddush at all in these foundational mitzvos. If we would start from the sources it would never end. So can you pick something for me to be in line with?
May 24, 2022 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090607n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
You ask about why Chabad does not give Torah sources. First of all, it’s pretty much laid in Tanya and other classics. If you think they are learning it wrong, than more sources won’t help. Second, look at this thread. Who is coming to this argument to learn up Chabad? Third, asking Chabad for a response of what some of Chabad thinks, is beyond sources. You have to sit people down, and ask them very specific questions.
And do get to the superiority claim, the people that have issues with Chabad, even the gedolim, just don’t speak in the same terms as Chabad. So it makes specific questions impossible. And then Chabad says, “you just don’t understand. We know better.”
It’s not a bias as much as a language barrier.
May 24, 2022 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090592n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
On my initial positions.
1. Beliefs are inconsequential at the base level of Judaism.
2. Beliefs play a major role in our growth. Without the beliefs we would remain basic level Jews.
May 24, 2022 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090588n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
“Also, jewish history shows that we do indeed have macholokes based on thought systems rather than observance.”
This could be read many different ways. Does ‘machlokes’ mean that one group was accusing the other of being out of bounds? Because than I can’t think of any that were not about observance. For comparison, please name one such dispute that was only about thought systems.
May 24, 2022 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090587n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
Yes! Exactly! Some examples:
1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jared Kushner
3. Chris Christie
4. Mike Pence
5. Ron Paul
6. Ted Cruz
7. Genghis Khan
May 24, 2022 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090586n0mesorahParticipantTo clarify, I find this which dead leader is more mashiach, both silly and funny.
May 24, 2022 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090585n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Please find out more about Rav Shach before you try to talk for the yeshivishe velt.
And this may be a major shock to you……. Chabad never did things the way most of the Chareidim do today. Their way of psak and inclusiveness, cannot he investigated in light of how we in our communities would do it. Your criticism is based on that not everybody does things according to your familiarity. On one thread you even had the Teimanim as not reliable enough for us. So I guess the bar for all Jews is to start MO and then become yeshivish.
n0mesorahParticipantWe don’t tell you what to do. We do our best to clean up your mess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Choosid,
1) Where did I give any indication that you learn anything?
2) What’s cholent?
n0mesorahParticipantI think they would be best as meditations. They would need to be edited for rhythm and rhyme.
May 24, 2022 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090502n0mesorahParticipantDear Gadol,
You have it backwards. The republicans losing their way is what got Trump elected. They were so riled up by the country electing a socialist – Obama -that they slowly left behind everything that had revived the party. Reagan, The Moral Majority, Compassionate Immigration, Military Service, Free Trade, Low Budgets, and just about everything else.
Now, the Democrats are so riled up from Trump, that they abandoned everything. That leaves up with culture wars and lobbyists in place of political dialogue and government by the people.
So now back to the question: what happens if the Republicans win the midterms?
1) They who the partisan battle for the day! Yay! Owning the Libs, what could be better?
2) Joe Manchin loses millions of lobbyist dollars, and the hours of air time.
May 24, 2022 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2090498n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
Do you think that losing elections now, will hurt the Republican Party in the long run?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
A global increase of fifteen degrees centigrade, is unfathomable. Almost all of Eretz Yisroel would be at or below sea level.
Now?
Sooner?
Later?
6000?
<220?What about mathematical bubbah meisos?
May 24, 2022 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2090496n0mesorahParticipantDear Ts,
Maybe, Maybe not. There are no hard sources what mashiach is like. Other then a descendant of Malchus Beis Dovid. Either way, I wouldn’t think twice until he starts influencing world events.
n0mesorahParticipantAlternatively, a statistical guess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
That is why I stated that there would be revelation on planet X. Intelligent life forms is a reasonable proposition. Though it may be a wild satirical guess.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ujm,
We read your first post.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
I have you an extreme example. Four degrees by 2100 is also extreme. Basically science fiction.k prefer to focus on the more imminent part of the issue, but it’s all the same question.
What is the concern?
Miami Beach? For a multitude of reasons, several of which are sentimental, Miami Beach has serious long term viability questions. It also has the potential for high upside. I’m not invested there, so no concern.
Coney Island? NYC is not at sea level. It’s six or seven feet above. It won’t be really threatened by sea rise before the next century.
The rise in temperature in terms of global warming, is not the same measurement as temperature in weather. The difference between the climates of NYC (mostly pleasant summer) and Atlanta (mostly awful summer) is largely not about the difference in temperature.
What is your concern?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
If we take as a given that the world has warned one degree from the thirty year baseline and will warn another degree in the next fifteen years, what are you concerned about?
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