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June 15, 2022 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm in reply to: Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections? #2097153n0mesorahParticipant
Dear Ujm,
Orban’s economy has been a wild ride that keeps going nowhere. The country has gotten more isolated, and wasted a lot of promise. Sounds like your idea of success.
Being anti immigrant does not mean ohaiv yisrael. Unless your a radical Zionist and the goal is the demise of the wandering Jew.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Huju,
Economy – what would congressman do to help or harm?
Inflation – Biden will do everything to say he did something. Not much can be done. Voting in Biden supporters will not help him say anything. He’ll have less opponents to blame.
Gun control – make this a voters issue. Not a party issue.
Covid – Biden is ignoring it. Has been for months.
Ukraine – is foreign policy. Biden does not really need Congress for it. And he probably has their backing on Ukraine.
Maybe voting Republican is better for Biden. The Democrats sure did not deliver for him until now.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
Wouldn’t it be racist to say that those shopping malls were not owned by blacks?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Smerel,
Good point about the media neglecting root social causes for the insurrection.
Who are the thousands of people sent to their deaths over defund the police? Covid? Ukraine?
How were the attackers treated differently than the rioters that entered the federal building in Portland?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Common,
No need to delay. State prosecutes have already prosecuted criminals over the riots. And federal judges have already sentenced the insurrectionists.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Moshe,
The attack on the Capitol can be vaguely compared to the riots looting of capital. Becoming Venezuela would also be a looting of capitalism.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Gadol,
That wouldn’t work according to the quasi scientific principles known in Rav Hirsch’s days. The science of classification is not stable anymore, and may never be. Rav Belsky compared what the yeshivaliet where saying about anasakis was the same thoughts proposed by Rabbi Slifkin. I could understand denying science or even math to hold on to what is an accepted truth. But this sure is a strange hill to be called a fool upon.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
That would be to sit and study by him as an attempt to imbibe all his wisdom. It doesn’t apply to gaining insight into a specific matter. And for sure not to translations or finding sources.
n0mesorahParticipantI’m not in line with the Brisker Rav or the Mishna Berurah.
The first Rambam is specifically about learning Torah. The second Rambam is about anyone who drops the mundane for serving Hashem.
The whole ‘in our times’ apologetics only speaks to one who is trying to pull things in line. As in how can one learn all day and be doing the right thing. Even according to the Rambam It seems to be possible. It still remains to wonder what was out of line for the Rambam. And was nothing out of line for the luminaries that we mentioned.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
Your opining that the Rambam finds fault with him valuing his learning over the learning of others. Then it would follow if no-one else is learning or involved in mitzvos than it would be commended. That does not appear to be correct. The Rambam should lead with taking charity when one is able to feed himself. And it should be in hilchos matnas aniyim. The Rambam clearly leads with one who plans to immerse himself in the study of Torah. This is perplexing. It seems like he got the whole approach wrong from the beginning. Not the result of him learning of someone else’s back.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
I doubt any correlation between Rashbi and Rambam. The Rambam is not saying how one should conduct himself. It is a critique of a certain approach to Torah study. Which approach? Definitely not Rashbi. Because he was also against taking from others.
n0mesorahParticipantHis words are written on the heart of every ehrlich yid…..
Yes, but for Bnei Torah kasvam al luach leebecha, it’s not worth the space.
n0mesorahParticipantThis is going about it wrong. We know of species that only exist in one small area. Sometimes in only one type of tree. And these species go extinct before humans ever lay an eye on them.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
Your guess is wrong. And the page in question is not a result of search history. It’s a pretty specific query.
n0mesorahParticipantSimilarly, if the problem is that he got home after dinner and bedtime, the Rambam should lead the paragraph appropriately. And then add, that even a full time learner that does not discuss the latest news at the table or go to movies with his wife, loses his portion in the world to come because he was simply not spending enough time being worldly with the people closest to him.
So it must be something else. What does the Rambam say this person is doing so wrong?
n0mesorahParticipantAnd to preempt, if it was about the debatable inaccuracy in his food stamps application form, the Rambam should lead with that and then say, and even if he learns non-stop so his poor wife who could not be honest and decide for herself what is good (Am I getting it right? had to fill out the papers, he still has no portion in the world to come, because unlike people who have careers he jacks the proper approach to the saintly government programs that find the ultimate favor in God’s eyes? (Please yell at me if I missed any of the cardinal sins.)
n0mesorahParticipantBefore we discuss halachah or psak, let’s first get the Rambam straight. He really lays into the one who wants to learn without working. Why? His addition as a source from the Mishna in Avos not to make a crown out of the Torah, is both interesting and telling. One would assume that that Mishna refers to one who is not learned pretending as he is learned. So there seems to be two major chiddusim in the Mishna. At least according to the Rambam. 1. The unlearned are not penalized for pretending to be glorified learners. 2. The learners are penalized for crowning themselves to be real learners. This seems unbelievable. But it is only the first impression. We could destruct this premise, but then we would have to reassemble a lot of the puzzle. So to reiterate, what bothers the Rambam so much about this person?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Always,
I entertained the idea that it could be read into the first Rambam that learning and not working is a level of idleness, only to demolish that idea from the second Rambam.
n0mesorahParticipantSyag, take it easy. This is comparatively tame for him. Maybe we’ll get a dialogue this time.
n0mesorahParticipantI think that’s a nice way of putting it. Just change the last line –
Today, we are much more aware of what others do.
n0mesorahParticipant……….It’s happened before. And when it happens to Bnei Torah they open their gemara and completely forget that it ever occurred.
n0mesorahParticipant……….It’s happened before. And when it happens to Bnei Torah view open their gemara and completely forget that it ever occurred.
n0mesorahParticipantIf you would have used your time to actually learn, you wouldn’t be so bent out of shape because you heard a woman singing. It’s happened before.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Big,
You have assumptions and summations about various posters. Yet you complained over your own perceived slights.
n0mesorahParticipantAn upgrade to the coffee room. Including fixing the old posts.
n0mesorahParticipantAdmittedly, they are not the most well known mosdos.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
I don’t see any contradiction, either. But I think your should read the second Rambam again. The last two in hilchos shemittah vyovel.
n0mesorahParticipantI find waze to be awful and overrated.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Participant,
Internet was never banned in Lakewood. The idea was to try to prevent/slow it from being normalized. And even in your alternative portrayal, the OP still has a point. Twenty years ago, it was still a non-issue. Even though we now know that it was.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Hulu,
The committee has looked into the difference. It does not check out. Further investigations are being checked out.
With all due deference to The Real Truth, the committee has recommended him for racial reeducation.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
The first Rambam you quoted speaks strongly against those who decide to immerse himself in Torah and not to work. The second Rambam is that anyone who removes himself from the mundane sphere to serve and worship Hashem, is kodesh kadashim.
The first passage may seem like studying instead of working is idleness. But the second passage is clear that only serving Hashem is less idleness than working. As in, he doesn’t even tend his own fields due to his extreme involvement in Hashem’s service. You picked up from the second Rambam that learning is to avoid idleness. When it is actually saying that it drops all mundane activities, so as not to interfere with Divine Worship.
I have no idea why you were so attacked for merely quoting a Rambam. But the Rambam was himself attacked for it, so there is a mesorah on this topic. I don’t see how one could think that such a strong worded Rambam can be walked back. The discussion should be, whom is the object of the Rambam’s ire?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Shmili,
What’s a gadol have to do with the context?
I’m kofer in the borderline. It simply does not exist.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Yserbius,
Those shots were started because angry crowds gathered. Not incited. Anarchists and looters took advantage. But that was nothing compared to the national commentators. They walked away from the whole thing with a real killing.
n0mesorahParticipantI always thought of the coffeeroom as social media.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Dovid,
More like it would have been explained away as years of ignoring racial disparities and doing nothing to pass the civil rights bills in the sixties.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Er,
Welcome! I’m the self appointed chair of this committee.
This is a Trump-free exercise. Were talking about just the riot/attack.
n0mesorahParticipantYes or No.
Yes. It makes them feel good that complexities can be simplified. Or that there is a clear distinction between the good and the bad. Really just pick any sociological copout that cuts around the harshness of reality.
No. It makes them feel good about themselves that avoided all the punditry to a clear conscience or some other feeling oriented goal.
No. They say that because they believe it to be the truth.
Alternately, they say because others do.
n0mesorahParticipantIt’s been years since the last intelligent thread.
n0mesorahParticipantBLM would be driven off harshly if not killed. Antifa are not really rioters. They would only attack if they had a clear blueprint of getting that they want with a solid escape plan.
n0mesorahParticipantBLM would be driven off harshly if not killed. Antifa are not really rioters. They would only attack if they had a clear blueprint of getting that they want with a solid escape plan.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Aseh,
Thanks for getting it!
n0mesorahParticipantYou have it backwards, but that’s okay.
n0mesorahParticipantSome mosdos are makpid on only honoring someone who they think as a role model.
n0mesorahParticipantWhy is everyone so excited? The gemara can be read either way. That’s obvious from the context. I don’t care about the debate here about approach, because so many tong essays have been written on the topic that we are not going to change things based on a diyuk that is obviously inconclusive. It is of interest that you all feel threatened by this gemara. Because even how you read it, it’s still a kasha on you. And you don’t have a good teretz. So what that there is a kasha. A rayah it is not.
n0mesorahParticipant1. Being in proximity of my voting district.
2. Having an opinion about a candidate.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
Every guy in kollel has the potential. They have been in yeshiva for ten years.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
I don’t see politics making people feel good about themselves. It makes them feel good about something else. But the question could be expanded to, why do people prefer a political portrayal of the facts? I mean that we do not need any government to have an opinion on abortion. And the range of possible opinions, is rather large. Yet, we talk in a pro or anti language and believe we sound intelligent for it. Or, at least more intelligent than the other Ride. What does that do for us? It seems like denial – denial that we do not fully grasp what goes on outside our daled amos.
n0mesorahParticipantJust to be factual, (it’s the new satire.) rioters from both groups are in jail without the work of any committee.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Syag,
Thank you. Definitely not my reality, either. But it reflects the reality of what is novel or emerging in the community. Some publications, are geared to the newest ideas. Others, look for things that have become somewhat accepted. It is much more difficult to write about habits that we all share.
The point is that the magazines are not pushing their own idea. But reflecting an existing reality to the larger readership. The more I think about it, the more that seems to me to be a description of media in general. Including there pages.
n0mesorahParticipantOn yevamos 37a. It could be read either way. Saying it’s satire is not enough. It still implies something closer to the OP. (I’m not trying to ‘prove’ anything. Just checking if you had a better answer.)
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