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TO: coffee addict
I vanquished a troll!On those nights cable news channels modify their programming accordingly.
FROM: n0mesorah
Not yet worthy of a subtitle.In your comprehension of the issue. Though, I agree with your reading.
Dear Simcha,
It is unbelievable that we as a nation are still grappling with this. However, let’s ignore the larger discussion and focus on the fatal error of your original post.
“It excludes those who weaponize Halacha to hurt others. It excludes those who willfully break the law or knowingly participate in or support fraudulent practices.”
What is the nature of this exclusion? Where in Torah does an error make one excluded? How do we fault people who clearly do not see the religious value of religion itself? How do you differentiate between willful and unwitting infractions Can the most strict adherents of Ethical Orthodoxy be confident to not transgress their own commitments? Can anyone determine who is being ethical? Isn’t it a purely mental exercise? Wouldn’t we just end up with the same game of calling everyone an ethical fraud or non-orthodox?
This has been rehashed for decades and there is nothing new here. the value of a strong ethical philosophy is purely the realm of the individual. With little impact and no significant affect on community life. It is none of my business if people live up to their ethics or not. But it is very meaningful to the practitioner. This is abstract thought. It has nothing to do with religion.
Religion is collective thought. That thought gives it no legitimacy. It could only be useful if it is believed to be Divine. It takes it’s legitimacy from it’s own context. It can never think itself into a non-existing situation. Therefore it always entertains those with serious moral failings. It allows those failings to modify the system. Some people see this as a major threat to authenticity. But it has no strength against true religion. Because true religion is convinced that it cannot be permanently vanquished Do you feel so strongly about Ethics?
I’m in stitches!!!!!!!!!
It would be constructive if we do an actual count before making such far-reaching conclusions. Of course that would only be if we are interested in the truth.
Dear Always,
You presume that. The gemara does not.
She could be married. Anyone at any age could be married.
The question was when should a girl be married.
Which in of itself is based on an assumption that marriage is a matter of age.
Dear Ujm,
None of these issues divide the Orthodox from Conservative. They are both divided from within on these topics. Of course the proportion is in the inverse. Which makes it even less of a real schism.
What?!? Because of the 0.06% of learning boys are who wait two years to get into Brisk? Get a life. Or a calculator.
Quick quote from your late night cable news channel:
If you think that the big monster in the closet is scary, just imagine big monsters on capitol hill. Now go bed. Capitol hill is closed at night.
Completely reckless of you to post that where the גיום can read it.
American yeshivish cares about gender?
The main purpose is to bring diaspora money into Eretz Yisrael.
Dear Jack,
Your political to the teeth!
It’s funny! Even funnier that all the posters missed the humor.
Dear Anonymous,
Yes. Agreed on Beth Jacob. I’m not sure why he can’t admit his mistake.
Dear Ujm,
So please, please, enlighten us!!!! What is the divide between Conservative and Orthodox on ideology? For fifty years we’ve been trying to define it. And no satisfactory answer has been found.
Dear Always,
Rav Soloveichick was discussing a shul without a mechitzah. Not which association’s statements are on the bulletin board.
Dear Always,
The gemara about birth control has nothing to do with marriage. Are you trolling?
Sorry Zaphod, but nobody wants to argue about your stupid planes.
Please share your investigative journalism with us!
Dear Anonymous,
I don’t know if Rav Moshe did or didn’t. I’ve asked Rabbanim who should know and did not get a clear answer. He writes in one teshuva that we can assume a Coservative Rabbi is passul leydus even if he is known to be observant. This doesn’t mean that the Rabbi is automatically to equated with his Flock. By the way, I am not assuming that Rav Moshe agreed with those that held Conservative Pulpits.
Package dental with other coverage that you don’t use. Such as eyecare. It should get you a bigger allowance.
Dear Ujm,
The difference is that it negotiable. It’s not something that is intrinsically intolerable to the Arabs. The British were allowed all kinds of access until the Arabs realized that it meant something to them. It’s extortion. The same extortion that governs all Arab countries. It’s part of their value system. As alluded to in the Koran.
Dear Halevi,
You would have to clarify why this pertains in the current day and the current situation. I know from one gaon who was involved in this issue that it is much more complex than people realize. But that’s not my point.
My thinking is, that anyone who wants to go for political/societal reasons thinks it’s permitted. And those who assume it is forbidden by halacha, would not be going there anyways. So it’s purely a political debate. Not an halachic one. So let’s be honest about that.
Dear Just,
Some people go so far in ‘answer up Navi’ that they distort much, much more than the distortions that Avira mentioned.
Dear Always,
Your impression is slightly off. And then your assumption is way off as girls stayed with their families until actual marriage that took place way after kiddushin.
Dear Anonymous,
I think you an apology to all the Great Rabbonim who took pulpits in Conservative Synagogues and never compromised on even one letter of the Torah.
It would be best if you sold a year ago.
Dear Yechiel,
I think your way off.
Dear Ujm,
When does the Rambam say a woman should</marry>?
Of course we assume that the world tour isn’t bittul torah. So then marriage would be permitted if he has enough to provide for his wife until he returns. If he doesn’t he’ll marry upon his return. Whatever age that may be.
What’s a lucrative education?
The Rambam says someone who will have to interrupt his learning may delay marriage. Presumably, that means indefinitely.
Dear Ujm,
The Arabs have been selectively objecting to Jewish access to Har Habayis for *centuries*.
Fixed it for you. Your first historically accurate post about Zionism!
I remember when this thread was posted and never knew that he came back.
Is he home yet?
It’s forbidden to just listen to music on shabbos?
Someone who drives to shul on shabbos can be counted for the minyan.
He was trolling the coffee room for good reason. He was manipulating the poll so you would let him date already.
If it’s mutar or assur, is a taboo dispute.
Nobody really cares, including the Arabs.
It’s purely political.
Dear Akuperma,
Anyone and everyone was allowed to enter the Beis Hamikdash. Even just to see it. There is no obligation to only come with a korban besides for a regel. The Beis Hamikdash was not some private social club masquerading as a shul, that your only tolerated if we approve of how you daven.
The Rambam does not mention any age for one who is going to have to interrupt his learning.
That may be less twisted than the current way we read TaNaCH.
Dear Jersey,
Your post with the compost and the brain does not follow to pining that lay journalism under. If you want us to be dazzled by the way you view the world, start your own blog.
Dear Yungerman,
Please pour your thoughts out to God. That is not me.
Your fellow poster
I still think that taking a kulah or two is not frowned upon. The case in point of the OP is a bad example.
Absolutely not.
Almost nobody noticed until it was over. What provocation?
The only correct answer is after second seder.
Before there was no threads showing up in the ‘In The News’ section. It said recently treated on the most page so I looked through coffee addict’s posts to find it. I have no idea what was going on.