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Dear Ujm,
At least twice. And as recently as ten years and two and a half months ago.
How could you have missed that?
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I’m just shocked that you could deny that this is a(n infrequent) term on TYW.
Already the posters are denying (or ignorant) of the real issues.
If to you ‘it’s especially the music’, yourro probably unaware of all the real pros/cons.
Heretical thinking. Hashem has no use for candidates.
It is obvious to the phone addict that s/he has way too much screen time. It’s not obvious to the kosher phone crusader how much time s/he devotes to a pointless crusade.
You mean that you guys are all sober when you post??
A bunch of adults getting all uppity about other adults drinking. If you care about the kids, you would tell them what being drunk is, and how to be safe about it.
A single cell has know knowledge of it’s own being. For that alone, I do not consider it being alive. It merely exists in an active state. More like a candle than an insect.
correction – no knowledge
Dear Coffee,
Now that an intelligent way to open this topic! Here is my take: It’s not of feature of long term learners. For the overwhelming majority, they either drop the shtultz or the learning. It’s adolescent behavior. The guys in yeshiva who are really into the shtultz thing, end up needing to make bank to justify their existence.
Forget it! I completely recant. It has recently become obvious to me that the Melech Hamashiach must be the unimpeachable Chananya Weissman. It then follows that there is no room for questions, debate, or presumption.
Dear Avram,
I’m not disagreeing with anything your saying. Just that once we are fighting this battle it should go much further. Besides technology, there are other things calling for our attention that we should ignore. It’s as old as מצות אנשים מלומדה.
You can complete a sentence. But your point is not stable.
Hmmmm…………
Unsteady feet is not a dementia.
How many speeches are done with no script?
Face reality, even if don’t like it.
I’m glad your not in any public office.
Dear Mid,
Which beis medrash is able to answer these kinds of questions? It’s off the beaten path..
I’m sorry to say it to the yeshivish-come-lately crowd, but the Litvishe yeshivaliet that survived the war were more patient with the Zionists than the yeshivaliet today. There is more to being a goan than having an ideology.
Dear Avram,
My point is that instead of saying to stop looking at this or you might see this, it would be better to say put your full attention on what you are trying to be immersed in. I wish people without smart phones would fill the void by being more attentive. But they are just as unaware of their surroundings as when they were phone addicts.
Everything – even good things – is a nisayon. It’s about the nuances.
After an extensive investigation, I have determined that Beeblerox International has never produced a single rant. As they say on theyeshivaworld.com, they truly have no shame.
Start another thread.
Dear He-Who-Must Not-Be-Named,
You wanted to bump that badly?
Quick poll: When you see a real Ben Torah with a smartphone (Imagine the next Reb Dovid Feinstein) what do you think he does with it?
Dear Avram,
By all means! Please do tell what the counter obsession with the pitfalls of smartphones achieves? All I see is a bunch of people blocking out their surroundings. I don’t realize a difference if it’s by being stuck in technology or stuck being anti technology. Either way, people in today’s day are not really cognizant of what is right in front of them.
The advice of the CDC for safety during an earthquake is “to stay indoors if you are indoors, and stay outdoors if you are outdoors”.
Dear Avira,
You probably are not aware of this. Some of those who permit going on har habayis really know what they are talking about. For that reason certain rabbonim in the traditional camp avoid the sugya.
None of it being permitted makes it a good idea. The winning question is why should religious jews be the face of this struggle.
Dear Avi,
Why should they be allowed to do so? Besides halacha. It’s a sensitive issue.
Let this be a lesson for all. If you are kofer in the gadlus of Telshe, you will be completely ostracized. You won’t even get an online hello.
“he can just claim that he will fulfill the requirements after death.”
Exactly! Why would you think otherwise? Now that Spinoza has died and having been faced with the truth, of course he is waiting for his chance to return to life. He will then to a complete teshuva, marry and have many sons. Obviously, he is the leading candidate for being mashiach. Many, many, great talmeidi chachamim wrote about spinoza. None of them ever said that he will not be moshiach. And if your one of those types that ignores all the sources in favor of the Rambam, the Rambam doesn’t explicitly exclude those who are resuscitated from among the dead. The Rambam couldn’t explicitly say that it would be someone who comes back after death, because Spinoza wasn’t born yet. And there was the possibility of him becoming mashiach before he even died.
Dear Always,
That’s not what appearances mean in this context.
While your at it, let’s have a rant for how under appreciated the mods are.
Dear Ujm,
I’m wondering how much you really know about this topic. The point is made either way, that it was never an obvious fact of jewish life. Even where and when it was practiced, it wasn’t flaunted like a group of tribal chieftains. For instance, is it permitted for a man to walk to shul with his two wives and no children?
You can post it a zillion times but it won’t change the fact. The same way it is rare to have multiple wives, it will continue to be a rare concept in halacha. It will not be embraced as okay for some people. Right or wrong that’s just the way it is. Nobody minds if you accept this or not. It’s the real truth. The question being put to you is, do you have any clue as to why this is the reality. It’s a big part of society. Are you just so socially off? Scared of women? Clueless in general? Or just trolling?
Whatever your reasons are don’t bother me. But I thought I would clarify why other posters get annoyed at this topic. It’s not because of some modern post liberal position. There is a part of the conversation you are missing or avoiding.
Wasn’t the money for the Contras funneled through Guatemala with some of it being tangled with the military credits that were being spent in Israel?
Can you come up with one specific instance in the thousand years before Rabbeinu Gershom besides for the Reish Gelusa?
I was trying to find my laptop………..
That’s only an invalidation when presented as testimony. But for evidence, as in establishing what is true and honest, written documents are also evidence. I’m under the impression that electronic surveillance is used to establish a Torah-Truth. For instance; kashrus oversight.
Maybe it’s self entertainment. Everything has it’s place…………..
Never mind! Never mind! I just found out that Yoshke did not base any of his claims on the Rambam. Don’t go clearing up hardware space just for this.
Dear Zaphod,
I’m a big fan! Please write me a rant being disrespectful to me. Certain posters are shying away from being critical of my posts.
Dear Avira,
What is your source that the Torah doesn’t allow video or photo evidence?
“… doesn’t look right for a Ben Torah”
As a Ben Torah, you worry about appearances?
It’s very important to some people that their dating remains private. Especially if they don’t want any of their wives to find out.
“Please save these quotes to your computer, for future reference.”
I respectfully disagree.
This is too important to just put on my hard drive. It should be reposted weekly.
And besides, I have no more storage space with all the useful quotes that I’ve noticed recently.
Oh no! I believe coffee’s account was hacked!
Dear Avram,
Your talking about open exclusion. I’m talking about those that live in yeshivish areas, send to yeshivish schools, et cetera and aren’t really frum anymore. They are kept in the community if they keep up appearances. But nobody considers them yeshivish.
An example.
Yehudah: Yeshivish people don’t watch TV on shabbos.
Chaim: XYZ had the game on last shabbos.
Yehudah: Nobody considers XYZ yeshivish.MO doesn’t do this with observance. Which makes more sense to me. Because in every single community, observance is not nearly as uniform as people think it is.
“the culture, leadership, communal/social norms, are all about Torah and Hashem, with nothing else mixed in”
This is garbage. You know there is a politics obsession just from reading this site. You know there is a major struggle over how to view sitting in yeshiva and learning. You know that there is all kinds of internet guidelines that are being ignored. You know that there is all kinds of hefkeirus among the youth including married couples. You know that it is a rarity to go to a chasuna and see everyone talking in learning. You know that a top yungerman is not expected to finish the mesechta he is learning this zman. You know the yeshivos are tying themselves in knots trying to address the emunah curriculum problem. You know that nobody sets a standard for what kind of growth justifies sitting in a kollel. You know that davenig on time is getting really out of hand.
And somehow, the manner of dress and pool use by MO is a lack of observance. But by us, it’s just a gashmiyos problem.
Complete hypocrisy.
Dear Avira,
Why does the percentages matter to you or me? If the Mo is what the coming generations of yeshivaleit are heading toward, why would wo gloat about the present? Maybe MO is closer to hitting rock bottom and turning things around. What is needed here is an ideal that the YV really holds to that we can grasp as a preventative form sliding towards a less observant modernity. I’m not convinced that there is one.
Dear Avram,
A quick list of what they could be tried for;
1) The yeshivishe velt is abandoning the yeshiva and the yeshiva bochurim.
2) The appreciation of a Gaon who really knows his stuff, has fallen below the kollelman who spends a decade distorting a sugya and then tries to sell his chumros or whatever.
3) Some ugly divorces in prominent families are completely disregarding gittin and more.
4) The present leadership vacuum.
Most of all, and pertinent to many threads on this site, the equation of the right as Torah and the left as the Antitorah. Instead of talking Torah, yeshivahliet are becoming embroiled in culture wars that they understand little about. I’m not attacking their stance as much as them abandoning their great potential for such trivial matters.
The reason the MO bashing is toleratated in this context is because the yeshivish or chassidish yidden who are slipping are just called not yeshivish or chassidish. It’s an easy fix which MO has been unable to enact. Which must cause great displeasure to hashem. Well, he can always start a new ‘who is a jew’ battle, to cheer himself up.
Dear Always,
I really doubt it.
The YV and MO are on the same slide from the traditional past to the impending modernity. YV isn’t producing larger families and MO isn’t producing more balanced families. It is a causality of their relationship with the past. They are just holding on as much as they are. There is no reason for me to think that Lakewood isn’t sliding toward Teaneck. Both in terms of the pros and the cons.